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The companion to this thread, reserved for the gun control debate. Most people have expressed a desire to keep the two discussions separate, and I agree with them.
Would increased gun regulation have prevented Connecticut?
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Escape Goat
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I dont think we can answer that until we know more about the shooters.
And, I'm just guessing, less stigma towards mental health issues and better treatment. Those three things together could help curb what's becoming a disturbing trend.
cutmeamango
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I'll answer this one in the next shooting.
Dmncnby2k9
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Connecticut would exist no matter what.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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While I think that increased gun regulation in the US is a good and necessary thing, it may not have necessarily prevented what happened in CT. We don't know anything about the shooter, their frame of mind, how they accessed the weapons, etc. For all we know, they could have just built a suicide bomb if they were that fucking crazy and monstrous enough.
teruterubozu
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I remember all these conversations after Columbine, but I just don't see anything changing.
Kids were killed in the theater shooting too, but nobody talks about it anymore.
Kids were killed in the theater shooting too, but nobody talks about it anymore.
CountAntonius
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And our culture of fear. This is much bigger than gun control but gun control is a good start.
mob_skater
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I can't honestly see how increased gun control couldn't help. Sure, there would still be the ability to get the guns if you were really determined, but it would definitely make it alot harder. Any little bit to prevent a tragedy would help. How anyone could want the right to bare arms will always perplex me. But hey, this is coming from a guy that has never thought of buying/owning a gun.
Ken Masters
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Buying a gun legally is incredibly easy
look at the gun laws of other countries and murder rates of them and tell me gun laws should be the same
look at the gun laws of other countries and murder rates of them and tell me gun laws should be the same
Dmncnby2k9
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it was handguns? still, Assualt weapons ban needs to come back.
Messypandas
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At least 27 dead? Holy fuck. For perspective, the last time there was a school shooting in Britain, there was an outright ban on private possession of handguns. Not been a major school shooting in 16 years I believe.
Funky Papa
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Assault weapons are just normal rifles with removable magazines and some scary furniture. They are not deadlier by default.
Dreams-Visions
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cross posting.
It's a hard problem to fix, man. When we see a school bus of people killed because of a drunk driver, we all agree it's a tragedy...but what is the realistic recourse to prevent it in the future, you know? Can't ban alcohol, and driving while drunk is already illegal. People will, in the end, do what they want to do.
Until we know more, the reality is that this guy could have been a law-abiding citizen until today when he fucking snapped. Existing gun laws delay the purchase firearms, try to filter out people with a history of mental illness, and prevent felons from buying. If you don't fit one of those categories and can wait a few days, you can buy a gun. Even still, if people want them and have bad intentions, they will break every law to get what they want...just like the drinker that wants to get behind a wheel.
I just don't know what the solution is other than better enforcement of the laws currently on the books. All it takes is one psychopath, whether this guy or Anders Brevik who killed 77 people last year in Norway and millions upon millions of responsible gun owners who've never hurt a fly (like me) are indicted and potentially punished.
Let us reserve some judgement on the system until we find out more about this shooter. If his gun(s) were obtained legally, etc.
I don't believe this has been revealed yet. we'll know more at the press conference.
It's a hard problem to fix, man. When we see a school bus of people killed because of a drunk driver, we all agree it's a tragedy...but what is the realistic recourse to prevent it in the future, you know? Can't ban alcohol, and driving while drunk is already illegal. People will, in the end, do what they want to do.
Until we know more, the reality is that this guy could have been a law-abiding citizen until today when he fucking snapped. Existing gun laws delay the purchase firearms, try to filter out people with a history of mental illness, and prevent felons from buying. If you don't fit one of those categories and can wait a few days, you can buy a gun. Even still, if people want them and have bad intentions, they will break every law to get what they want...just like the drinker that wants to get behind a wheel.
I just don't know what the solution is other than better enforcement of the laws currently on the books. All it takes is one psychopath, whether this guy or Anders Brevik who killed 77 people last year in Norway and millions upon millions of responsible gun owners who've never hurt a fly (like me) are indicted and potentially punished.
Let us reserve some judgement on the system until we find out more about this shooter. If his gun(s) were obtained legally, etc.
I don't believe this has been revealed yet. we'll know more at the press conference.
ErasureAcer
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Michael Moore should make a sequel to BFC. This issue needs to be talked about more.
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It works on many levels. Addressing one issue without the others won't necessarily "fix" the greater issue as a whole.
I personally own firearms and honestly I would be willing to submit to a polygraph/psych-eval/whatever else to continue using them. I know other gun owners wouldn't agree to that, but I think times have changed enough that we need to re-think our system.
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There is a LOT of misunderstanding (by both sides) out there. Listening to Piers Morgan constantly say things like "and they had a 100 round clip capable of firing 100 bullets a minute" just makes me sigh. The "clip"(magazine...) has little relation to the fire rate(other than the speed at which it can feed bullets into the gun); the gun itself has a ROF.
Ken Masters
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And every time there is a massacre, politicians say "this isn't the time to talk about gun control and politicize this tragedy"
in 2 weeks the media won't give a shit about this and move, gun control is never fucking talked about other when a mass killing happens, so when is it ok to talk about it? because no one gives a shit otherwise
in 2 weeks the media won't give a shit about this and move, gun control is never fucking talked about other when a mass killing happens, so when is it ok to talk about it? because no one gives a shit otherwise
David Incorporated Esq.
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What I've noticed is that these shootings are often done by a person who was otherwise okay to own a gun but, over a period of time, becomes unstable and does something horrible.
I always hear that by restricting guns the only ones left with them will be criminals. To that I say: Good, the day-to-day criminals aren't the ones performing such heinous acts and the police can handle them.
I always hear that by restricting guns the only ones left with them will be criminals. To that I say: Good, the day-to-day criminals aren't the ones performing such heinous acts and the police can handle them.
SnakeswithLasers
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As much as I am against guns, I wish we would discuss the role that mental health (and the lack of genuine mental healthcare) plays more than the role the tools play.
We put too much focus on correlated factors, without looking at causal issues.
We put too much focus on correlated factors, without looking at causal issues.
I don't think it'll happen here in the US, but I want to see a total ban on lethal weapons. That includes all guns, swords, etc. It's over for me. I can't think of a good argument for private ownership of guns anymore.
The only way to stop these massacres is to prevent them from happening in the first place, and that requires either every single person in this country to be good-natured and mentally stable, or a total ban on weapons. There will always be crazy people, so the former won't happen (even with a much better culture and health care; look at Norway for an example). Therefore, we should make the latter a reality.
The only way to stop these massacres is to prevent them from happening in the first place, and that requires either every single person in this country to be good-natured and mentally stable, or a total ban on weapons. There will always be crazy people, so the former won't happen (even with a much better culture and health care; look at Norway for an example). Therefore, we should make the latter a reality.
Ken Masters
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republicans still thinks it's the 1800s "but mah state rights!!!!"
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I am Korean.
Those guns were obtained legally. SHHHHH!
Joel Was Right
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It may have, but would it have prevented other mass shootings of similar magnitude? No.
That would just alienate the anti-control side even further. Moore is not particularly conducive to talk of compromise, and that's what's going to have to happen here.
Deified Data
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The argument could be made that there's no point in making things easier for the people who do procure their weapons legally, i.e. Aurora.
I'm not sure I get your meaning. What better time is there?
CharlieDigital
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Facts are not known yet.
Did the suspect have a history of mental illness?
Did the suspect have a criminal record?
How did the suspect obtain his weapons? Via private party? Via licensed dealer and going through all proper background checks?
Without the facts, we can't say one way or another.
Did the suspect have a history of mental illness?
Did the suspect have a criminal record?
How did the suspect obtain his weapons? Via private party? Via licensed dealer and going through all proper background checks?
Without the facts, we can't say one way or another.
Dmncnby2k9
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crazy shit is, security in the schools were beefed up in this town before this.
arts&crafts
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The way I see it is that since most, if not all of the shooters have mental health issues, they would probably have done something dangerous and lethal either way. The issue being that if they were in Canada or another country with strict gun laws, they would use a different weapon / tactic. My thoughts being that using a knife or other weapon would definitely lower the death toll substantially, but not stop a tragedy altogether. Overall I believe stricter gun laws are definitely a start to a solution, but not the end.
Alligatorjandro
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Americans are in love with their guns too much to have any significant change happen.
legacyzero
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What more can we do for gun control before i5 starts becoming unconstitutional?
Jeff Albertson
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It's very possible it would have prevented the tragedy and as an Englishmen my view is that American gun laws are ridiculous
BUT
Remember Dunblame which was a similar shooing in Scotland
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_school_massacre
BUT
Remember Dunblame which was a similar shooing in Scotland
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_school_massacre
Is there a way you can limit ammo instead of guns?
There's no legtimate reason for someone to own enough handgun ammunition to shoot 30 people. Maybe make people lock it up at the firing range or something instead of having a huge stockpile at their house.
Sadly, I don't think you can do much more to restrict gun ownership without a Constituational amendment with the gun laws the Supreme Court has been striking down lately.
There's no legtimate reason for someone to own enough handgun ammunition to shoot 30 people. Maybe make people lock it up at the firing range or something instead of having a huge stockpile at their house.
Sadly, I don't think you can do much more to restrict gun ownership without a Constituational amendment with the gun laws the Supreme Court has been striking down lately.
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soundscream
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If he legally got them in NJ, lack of regulation isnt the issue. NJ is one of the toughest states to own a gun in.
Jibbajabbawockky
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Even beyond gun control, with people that just want to take down as many people as they can before taking their own life, the media attention the shooters get in these situations is kind of sick too. I'd be ok if the identity of these people wasn't revealed, cause I wonder if these types of people just sort of want their 15 minutes of fame having their picture plastered all over even after they're dead.
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