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NRA blames media, violent video games for violent culture
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Like alcohol? Oh wait, outlawing that worked REALLY well.
Omegasquash
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Treemonkeys
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Every country has problems but I think the US is the most violent country right now as far as modern/civilized countries.
Hunting is an activity I love the idea of, even if I don't do it myself. Hunters are generally environmentally friendly, and are all for making sure that certain animals aren't overhunted. Buying stuff from the store usually isn't nearly as good as hunting your own food. You don't have to enjoy killing creatures to hunt.
Especially since hunting lobbyists wouldn't have nearly as much of a sway in Congress.
Gun control is a big thing, but separate from that, there's no doubt that there's a place to discuss whether the technological advances of virtual worlds are increasingly trapping people into social isolation that drives them to develop anti-social thoughts and tendencies. I really wish Congress would discuss this in a broader way instead of driving knee-jerk policies that only serves the desires of certain interests.
JakkuFurosu
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i do....their a bunch of neanderthals.
cant say im surprised with all this scapegoating going on
thehypocrite
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Not the same thing. Alcohol isn't created to kill or hunt. It cannot directly be used as a tool to kill others.
Source?
Not the same thing. Weapons are created to kill, regardless if they are use to hunt animals or people, cars are made as a transportation device.
Aquamarine
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We have a culture where we glorify the military...we pump trillions of dollars into the Army (more than any other country in the world), we have Army recruiters come to our schools, and our economy depends in part on manufacturing military supplies (cf. military industrial complex). We are supposed to be "proud of our soldiers" who get special benefits because they joined the military.
Until we completely dismantle that nonsense, the USA is a reactionary, war-like country that likes to go in and stick its nose in places it shouldn't belong.
That doesn't mean "violent culture" is what motivates serial killers to murder a classroom full of elementary-school children. The two are so ridiculously unrelated that I can't believe we are having this kind of discussion.
Will an assault rifle ban stop the serial killers? HELL NO. Does violent video games / the violent USA culture create serial killers? HELL NO.
What creates serial killers? Severe mental health issues. The only thing this country needs to do is bolster its ailing mental health facilities, and keep a more careful / supporting watch over "problem children."
gutterboy44
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So, wouldn't this like make the Steam Holiday Sale the equivalent of an Al Qaeda training camp?
speculawyer
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The NRA and their supporters can go fuck themselves.
When are going to start using hard statistics and data to make decisions?
Its interesting that there are so many misconceptions and straight up fear mongering when it comes to 'assault weapons.'
There is nothing different mechanically between an 'assault weapon' and a hunting rifle. They fire the same rounds, at the same velocity, at the same speed. The only difference is cosmetic features like barrel length. (And please don't bring up magazine size, its a truly foolish argument for two main reasons. Even an inexperienced shooter can reload in less than a second, and significantly larger clips are also available for hunting rifles).
I think the most interesting part is that 'assault weapons' account for less than 1% of all violent crime according to the FBI. This is an absolute joke in my opinion. The most dangerous weapons in America? The .22 and 9mm pistols account for the vast majority of violent crime. Why even ban 'assault weapons' then if they account for a negligible amount of crime?
To be honest I don't own any guns, but I've always taken an interest in politics and I like to do research on various issues. I did hours of research yesterday and I'm having trouble even forming a argument for banning 'assault weapons' other than those conceived in fear, fallacy, or ignorance.
I'm not going to go too much into this, but to the OP the media is squarely to blame for these string of violence acts. If you ask any behavioral psychologist over the years, they will tell you the media needs to significantly reduce the exposure and not put any attention on the killer. Blaming video games or guns is foolish.
TheExecutive
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Or does the media just pander to what people in this country will watch and play for entertainment? It's most certainly cyclical but people in this country like violence.
It's time for gamers to take a stand and educate the masses about the fallacy of these BS arguments about game violence.
Here's a good place to start -- put this on Facebook etc. This is not a gaming problem, it's an America problem.
Washington Post: Ten-country comparison suggests thereÂ’s little or no link between video games and gun murders
Here's a good place to start -- put this on Facebook etc. This is not a gaming problem, it's an America problem.
Washington Post: Ten-country comparison suggests thereÂ’s little or no link between video games and gun murders
Treemonkeys
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Hunting seasons keep animal populations in check...just look it up yourself. Deer are extremely dangerous for drivers and of course this risk would only go up if they were not being hunted.
gutterboy44
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Don't worry. All of those violent video games are horrible and corrupt our children. Except the ones paid for and distributed by the US Army.
Alligatorjandro
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People always want to blame something else.Back in the 50's they blamed Rock and Roll.
They need to just ban all semi-automatic weapons.
How many die each year because of drunk drivers? How many are injured each year because of drunk drivers? How many are injured each year because of alcohol related fights? How many spouses are injured each year because of alcoholic partners? How many lives are ruined each year because of alcoholism?
Yea, great hobby.
Moderation, regulation and responsibility are key in EVERYTHING.
and comic books (my dad always laughs when he reads about video games or movies being the issue, as he grew up during anti-comic book phase)
fatigues_gasolini
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Genius move for the Republicans. Cut funding initially to public services, call for raised funding for public services, look like heroes.
Mihos
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And comic books! (bastards)
That's what Hitler said. Do us all a favor and keep your definitions of "normal" and "evolved human beings" to yourself, m'kay?
Square Triangle
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Without hunting, animals would be so over populated. In Michigan, there are so many deer car accidents.
AMERICA....
This sentence to me is absolutely absurd. In my country this kind of speech would automatically label you as a lunatic. This idea of a police officer inside schools is so foreign to our costumes and laws that I can't comment any further than this. Just a caveat that police here can patrol the school surroundings though.
I like how you compare me to Hitler in defense of people who shoot animals and other people (accidentally or otherwise).
I think putting police in every school is moronic for a variety of reasons. However even if your country wanted to go through with this who the hell would pay for it? America keeps cutting it's education funding so it's like like schools could afford to hire security. Your police forces appear to be equally underfunded and I doubt the military is just going to loan out it's extra servicemen and women for free.
Canada has it's own gun issues from time to time and Harper is useless for getting shit done but I don't think we'll ever be quite this bad.
Canada has it's own gun issues from time to time and Harper is useless for getting shit done but I don't think we'll ever be quite this bad.
plagiarize
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Well, we conclusively found out that outlawing it was a bad idea. Banning firearms could be done with a similar look to the results to see if things got better or worse. It wasn't stupid to want to ban alcohol, or to ban it, and it wasn't stupid to lift the ban given what happened.
I'm prepared to find out. Given the results in other countries, I don't see it being a big risk. If things don't get better, the ban goes away.
Keysersoze
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Hes been dead for years.
speculawyer
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gutterboy44
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So following NRA "logic";
By taking our children to the movies, buying the PS360's etc, we are essentially enrolling them in domestic terrorist training camps. However, if we train them in firearm use and fill our households with more guns than televisions, we are just enjoying an innocent hobby?
Yep, checks out.
By taking our children to the movies, buying the PS360's etc, we are essentially enrolling them in domestic terrorist training camps. However, if we train them in firearm use and fill our households with more guns than televisions, we are just enjoying an innocent hobby?
Yep, checks out.
Yeah, easy access to automatic weapons has nothing to do with it. The majority of guns used in crime are illegal, it's a fact. It's not like in nearly every case of a school massacre style shooting in the US the perpetrators purchased their weapons legally, or obtained them from acquaintances, who themselves purchased the weapons legally. People have a right to defend themselves when society collapses... and stuff. What we really need to worry about is Bulletstorm. Fuckwits.
Square Triangle
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speculawyer
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Yeah, because North America was an ecological disaster zone before Europeans showed up with their guns.
thehypocrite
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Again source. Nature kept a balance before the existence of men, hunting from what I can see has only brought extinction to several species. Humans aren't a special cookie, you aren't keeping the natural balance of the world, all other animals out there don't use guns, they use their natural abilities to hunt which allows one to overcome the other, this is what represents the natural balance, not guns and hunters. Of course if you can provide/direct me to information that states otherwise I can change my position.
Alcohol isn't a hobby, the issue with alcohol it's well documented, however I need to understand your reasoning of why you think because the bad impact of alcohol we should overlook? the negative impact from the hunting hobby. What's the point you're trying to make. You're just saying alcohol is worst and nothing is done about which is wrong plenty is done against alcohol and in some places it's consumption is completely prohibited.
Regulations
Active prohibitions
Gahiggidy
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
I don't know about a Police officer is every school, but I think a good policy would be to strategically place patrol cars in parking lots that are 5 minutes or less than every school in county. Pick locations where they can reach 2-3 schools in time and you can reduce the manpower costs.
The_Darkest_Red
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So Europeans invented hunting?
I wouldn't have to compare you to a lunatic if you didn't sound like one. Here's a hint: Instead of attacking the person by saying he or she isn't "normal" or "evolved" based on YOUR definition (which nobody cares about, by the way), how about about you list some sound arguments as to why you think a tens-of-thousands-of years practice in hunting is inhumane?
Velcro Fly
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well we are all civilized now with our cars and permanent buildings so too many deer would be a bad thing!
Deified Data
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Bad analogy, given that the car is the vehicle of destruction and not the alcohol itself. More like the only thing that stops drunk drivers are good drivers, which is equally fallacious. If a drunk driver hits you you're going to die whether you're a good driver or not.
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