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Hideki Kamiya shits all over Kotaku

Anteater said:
Itagaki vs Kamiya would be an awesome publicity stunt to be honest, it would probably help sell their games.
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I gotta side with Itagaki a bit in their little exchange. Anyone who says that the action genre didn't change after Ninja Gaiden: Black came out really must have been asleep. It got near perfect scores everywhere.

I loved Okami though, so he was off on that one.
 
abadguy said:
Didn't he and Itagaki have beef at one point?
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Itagaki

1UP: What do you think about Bayonetta, as a game? Do you think Kamiya is right to follow the Devil May Cry formula so closely?

TI: If I made a similar game as a game I made in the company I quit, people would say, "What an idiot, can't he make anything else?" Well, that is more or less the opinion I have for, uh, that Bayo-something game.

1UP: What do you think of Bayonetta's character design? She's covered in hair.

TI: Covered in hair, is she? I dunno, Mr. Kamiya must have a lot going through his head. Well, in any case, I would first recommend laser eye surgery. I'm sure he's not that strapped for cash, right?
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http://www.1up.com/news/developer-interview-itagaki-skewers-competition?pager.offset=1

Kamiya

I've never played Ninja Gaiden, and to be honest, I'm not that interested. You know when you're watching a TV commercial or a movie trailer or listening to a song or whatever, how you just feel something and you get pulled into it? it just didn't have that power [to me], so thats why I wasn't interested.
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=329605

He then went on to talk smack about boob-obsessed Itagaki, explaining that "It's a huge mistake to think like an idiot that big breasts on women seem erotic."
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http://www.destructoid.com/bayonett...-is-an-idiot-151728.phtml#4FxPU8RjSfpYW8y6.99
 
Baconsammy said:
Not sure if it's a good example or not, but the major cable news networks all employee people that say similar or worse things on a nightly basis. Your response will be that no one respects them either, and I doubt I could argue against your point, but they still get views.
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The difference is that places like the New York Times and NPR turn to Kotaku whenever they need someone to talk about videogames with an authoritative voice and thus their credibility is enhanced by virtue of being associated with those news organizations. It'd be like if Entertainment Tonight created the content for the LA Times book review section or the Washington Post's Style section. And that's no offense to Tolito. I actually think he's a good newsman. I think Kotaku should be judged on its individual writers and not as a whole. I like Tolito and think he honestly believes in what he's doing, but yeah.

The problem for me is that you can't, on the one hand, drape yourself in the coattails of the respectability of the NYT and demand respect citing actual good articles you've published, but then allow one of your writers to write an article that attempts to divine Kamiya's feelings on the western PC market and Steam by attempting to interpret a Twitter post. FFS at least don't call the guy clueless in a headline when you literally are using Twitter as a primary source.
 
GillianSeed79 said:
The difference is that places like the New York Times and NPR turn to Kotaku whenever they need someone to talk about videogames with an authoritative voice and thus their credibility is enhanced by virtue of being associated with those news organizations. It'd be like if Entertainment Tonight created the content for the LA Times book review section or the Washington Post's Style section. And that's no offense to Tolito. I actually think he's a good newsman. I think Kotaku should be judged on its individual writers and not as a whole. I like Tolito and think he honestly believes in what he's doing, but yeah.
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True story: When Tolito joined Kotaku I tweeted something like "That's a pretty big step down for Tolito" and Nick Denton started following me.
 
GillianSeed79 said:
The difference is that places like the New York Times and NPR turn to Kotaku whenever they need someone to talk about videogames with an authoritative voice and thus their credibility is enhanced by virtue of being associated with those news organizations. It'd be like if Entertainment Tonight created the content for the LA Times book review section or the Washington Post's Style section. And that's no offense to Tolito. I actually think he's a good newsman. I think Kotaku should be judged on its individual writers and not as a whole. I like Tolito and think he honestly believes in what he's doing, but yeah.

The problem for me is that you can't, on the one hand, drape yourself in the coattails of the respectability of the NYT and demand respect citing actual good articles you've published, but then allow one of your writers to write an article that attempts to divine Kamiya's feelings on the western PC market and Steam by attempting to interpret a Twitter post. FFS at least don't call the guy clueless in a headline when you literally are using Twitter as a primary source.
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The one tweet I saw of his that was actually pertinent and on the money was the one in which he asks if Kotaku thinks he(Kamiya) speaks for all of Japan. There could have been a great evisceration of Kotaku without all the "eat shit" garbage, and then everyone would be cheering. It really is a terrible article. I don't know Totilo, but if he approved (before it was posted or now) it, he's not worthy of respect.
 
Aaron said:
Since his original tweet was so badly misunderstood, Kamiya replied in a language kotaku could understand. Seems appropriate to me.
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I must say the thought process behind that article was atrocious.

Next day's Article:

Kamiyama Clueless About Dietary Habits of Americans

As typical of the Japanese, Kamiya was genuinely confused about our diets. When asked about our previous article, he asked "Do you eat shit?" which is a typical thought process of a middle aged Japanese man who resides in Japan.

While not literally true, all Americans do eat fast food for every meal which is why every American is morbidly obese which can be construed as "shit" by our incurious Japanese neighbors.

The Japanese all believe that all this fat in our diet clogs our brains and makes us stupid so a seemingly rude reply to our queries must be taken through the appropriate cultural lens. Like all Japanese, Kamiya was thinking of us a little better than dogs with hands. So from the point of view of the Japanese, he's actually being quite polite to us.​


It's one thing to pull some quotes and try to form an article around that (though the gaming sites to tend to fail at this on a regular basis) but to try to justify that with one's half baked preconceptions of Japan or whatever isn't just lazy and stupid, it's beyond moronic.
 
Baconsammy said:
The one tweet I saw of his that was actually pertinent and on the money was the one in which he asks if Kotaku thinks he(Kamiya) speaks for all of Japan. There could have been a great evisceration of Kotaku without all the "eat shit" garbage, and then everyone would be cheering. It really is a terrible article. I don't know Totilo, but if he approved (before it was posted or now) it, he's not worthy of respect.
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Stephen Totilo ‏@stephentotilo
I changed the headline in our piece about PC gaming in Japan. Calling @PG_kamiya "clueless" was careless & distracting http://bit.ly/10c8XsO


The asumptions in the article remain, which is not surprising considering that he has his own preconceived notions about japanese devs.
 
fart town usa said:
Lets not forget that steam is most likely region blocked in Japan.

I lived in Singapore for 3 years and steam was worthless there. Most download & streaming services are moot overseas.
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When was that 3 years? Steam is pretty much equal with the other regions these days over here with the exception of certain games and MMOs.

Kamiya is hilarious but I too hope that this won't affect Platinum Games reputation with the press at large. The Kotaku article is just horrid. If you want to get real opinions you try to get interviews from the people in the industry, not do 2 tweets with one person and then proceed to write an article. I've seen better written posts about Japanese's opinions on PC gaming on Gamefaqs.

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fart town usa said:
It wouldn't let me download anything from the store due to the region I was in, I used Starhub Internet. To get around it I would download stuff off amazon and then use the cd key to download it off steam, sometimes it would work, sometimes it wouldn't.

I just moved outta there back in March of 2012, lived in the Sembawang area. Beautiful island.
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I think you have to let Valve know that you've moved to a different region. Pretty much their standard procudure if you moved countries. I think I've seen people mention this here before.
 
Baconsammy said:
Yep, just saw that. He's happy with the story. And that's all one really needs to know about Kotaku.
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Haha, perfect.

One of the funniest things is that he probably learned all this trash talk and English "trolling" from his fucking stupid idiot foreign colleagues.

Freshmaker said:
Next day's Article:

Kamiyama Clueless About Dietary Habits of Americans

As typical of the Japanese, Kamiya was genuinely confused about our diets. When asked about our previous article, he asked "Do you eat shit?" which is a typical thought process of a middle aged Japanese man who resides in Japan.

While not literally true, all Americans do eat fast food for every meal which is why every American is morbidly obese which can be construed as "shit" by our incurious Japanese neighbors.

The Japanese all believe that all this fat in our diet clogs our brains and makes us stupid so a seemingly rude reply to our queries must be taken through the appropriate cultural lens. Like all Japanese, Kamiya was thinking of us a little better than dogs with hands. So from the point of view of the Japanese, he's actually being quite polite to us.​
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Amazing.
 
Someone should make a twitter screenshot generator where it 'retweets' someone's post and adds Kamiya saying 'do you eat shit?' it would be magnificent.
 
entrydenied said:
When was that 3 years? Steam is pretty much equal with the other regions these days over here with the exception of certain games and MMOs.

Kamiya is hilarious but I too hope that this won't affect Platinum Games reputation with the press at large. The Kotaku article is just horrid. If you want to get real opinions you try to get interviews from the people in the industry, not do 2 tweets with one person and then proceed to write an article. I've seen better written posts about Japanese's opinions on PC gaming on Gamefaqs.
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The guy who ranted about Squaresoft and PlayStation honor had a firmer grasp on Japanese culture.
 
"Do you eat shit?" compared with his twitter pic makes me laugh.

Never change Kamiya.
 
Everyone in this comes off like an idiot, not just Kotaku

Lyphen said:
Today's been a pretty good day in terms of Kamiya rage. I kind of echo his hatred of PC port begging recently.

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More people want to play and enjoy his games and give him money. UGH HOW TERRIBLE
 
fart town usa said:
Lets not forget that steam is most likely region blocked in Japan.

I lived in Singapore for 3 years and steam was worthless there. Most download & streaming services are moot overseas.
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What the hell. I live in malaysia and all my PC games are downloaded from Steam. So is for some of my friends in Singapore.
 
As much as I love Kamiya and his honest opinions and everything, I really think he should step down from insulting everyone and anyone to just insult those who are responsible for pissing him off.

That said though it's still friggin' fun reading his tweets.
 
Bjoern the Smexy said:
As much as I love Kamiya and his honest opinions and everything, I really think he should step down from insulting everyone and anyone to just insult those who are responsible for pissing him off.

That said though it's still friggin' fun reading his tweets.
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He's really not pissed off by people's tweets.
He genuinely likes responding to thoughtful and stupid tweets alike and having fun with it.
 
Clevinger said:
More people want to play and enjoy his games and give him money. UGH HOW TERRIBLE
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How would you feel if people asked you to port Bayonetta to PC? And I mean like, you as you are now. Even if you have nothing to do with it and can't really make the decision to put it in PC.
 
Totilo is fine. He does the best he can do under Denton's regime. The reason Kotaku sucks is 90% of their writers think they are celebrities. You can see their egos from orbit.

Crecente: I'm the man that took on Sony!
Ashcraft: I LIVE IN JAPAN! Praise me!
Plunkett: I like to think I'm an everyman but criticise my writing and get a ban.
Alexander: "Who are you again?"/Giant Bomb incident.

Haven't followed them in ages, but there are a few good examples. In fact, I'd probably say that most of the gaming press thinks they're special and truly believe they are contributing to the industry as much as Kamiya. The difference is that Kotaku writers are generally obnoxious about it.

The worst part when they would post things like "What my wife made for lunch today."
 
pizzaroll said:
How would you feel if people asked you to port Bayonetta to PC? And I mean like, you as you are now. Even if you have nothing to do with it and can't really make the decision to put it in PC.
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I would probably respond with "Not my call" instead of acting like a child.
 
jim-jam bongs said:
yeah. dude is racist as fuck, I can't see how anyone can still be defending his bullshit now. you can argue that the kotaku piece was dumb as hell, and you'd be spot on, but that doesn't excuse his xenophobic responses later on.
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Trust me, if he was racist, he wouldn't even bother speaking English in the first place. The fact that he engages with the foreign public goes against that entirely. I've met real racist Japanese folks, and they wouldn't waste any time with any foreigner unless they absolutely had to.

It's actually cool that a Japanese guy actually does what he does in the first place. I gotta give him props, actually.
 
EDarkness said:
Trust me, if he was racist, he wouldn't even bother speaking English in the first place. The fact that he engages with the foreign public goes against that entirely. I've met real racist Japanese folks, and they wouldn't waste any time with any foreigner unless they absolutely had to.

It's actually cool that a Japanese guy actually does what he does in the first place. I gotta give him props, actually.
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Yeah, if you want a real racist Japanese developer, look at somebody like Ichiro Mihara. He literally blocks foreigner access to his blog and has actively expressed that he does not really want them to play his games or something.
 
What if a Western dev said "God damn idiot Japanese, don't they understand the PC?!?"

Nothing potentially wrong with that statement, right guys?

I can't hate on Kamiya too much, because he's shitting on Kotaku, and no one likes them.
 
EDarkness said:
Trust me, if he was racist, he wouldn't even bother speaking English in the first place. The fact that he engages with the foreign public goes against that entirely. I've met real racist Japanese folks, and they wouldn't waste any time with any foreigner unless they absolutely had to.

It's actually cool that a Japanese guy actually does what he does in the first place. I gotta give him props, actually.
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I think people lose sight of what is actually racist. Denying someone a job because they are of a certain ethnicity is racist. Commenting to my Asian girlfriend fiancée that I don't know why she worries about her appearance since 90% of people think all Asians look the same is me being crass, slightly offensive, and amusing (even she laughed). It's not racism.

Kayima is winding people up because he obviously enjoys it and knows how to push people's buttons.
 
JasonUresti said:
What if a Western dev said "God damn idiot Japanese, don't they understand the PC?!?"

Nothing potentially wrong with that statement, right guys?

I can't hate on Kamiya too much, because he's shitting on Kotaku, and no one likes them.
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That's like someone calling someone a fuckin' stupid American. I don't think it's racist at all, but people say it all the time....
 
Chuck Norris said:
broad generalisations are the problem. It's like calling somebody a "stupid n-word", then arguing it was only an insult to that individual person and you're not actually being racist!
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He's probably alluding to the fact that he most likely doesn't get anywhere near as much inane shit from his fellow countrymen than he does from rabid Western internet manchildren, regardless of the uniquely Western PC connotations. But the PC thing gave him the ammunition for the comment.
 
EDarkness said:
That's like someone calling someone a fuckin' stupid American. I don't think it's racist at all, but people say it all the time....
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It's not racist because American is a nationality, not a race/ethnicity.

Heck, even races are kind of offensive when you think about it. I mean we say "Asian" forgetting that Asia includes a variety of different ethnic groups.
 
Ysiadmihi said:
I would probably respond with "Not my call" instead of acting like a child.
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And after the 1000th time by a completely different person each time? Especially when people are asking specifically as a means to provoke the outcome they want instead of a legitimate question?


Clevinger said:
More people want to play and enjoy his games and give him money. UGH HOW TERRIBLE
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The guy who responded to him wrote in such a way that indicated he thought Kamiya to be ignorant of the PC gaming population, or as though Kamiya owes an explanation to the world for his personal disinterest in PC gaming. It has absolutely nothing to do with how he sells his games and he doesn't make those decisions anyways.
 
JasonUresti said:
What if a Western dev said "God damn idiot Japanese, don't they understand the PC?!?"

Nothing potentially wrong with that statement, right guys?

I can't hate on Kamiya too much, because he's shitting on Kotaku, and no one likes them.
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1. Thats literally what Kotaku is doing with this piece (The article's title was: The Guy Who Made Bayonetta Is Clueless about Valve and PC Gaming)
2. Thats not what Kamiya is saying.
3. Glad that you can see that the example you offered is absurd.
 
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