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[Cheerilee]

Why the making excuses for him?

I'm not making excuses. I'm assigning personality, and while I can always be wrong, my guess is about as valid as "he's racist" without the obvious drawback of him learning foreign languages and responding to international fanmail.

You can't "mutter" over the internet.

That's true. After some thought, I think I settled on "muttering" because he "walked away" from a conversation and changed languages to say something else. In real life, that usually happens with muttering. And then he posted a smiley.

He plainly said in Japanese "fucking stupid idiot foreigners" which is why the other guy called him a coward because he didn't have the balls to say it in English.

I don't know Japanese, but I'm pretty sure that's not a direct translation.

If you cannot see anything at all inappropriate about his behavior after that summary.... I don't know what to say.

I really can't see anything inappropriate in his behavior, besides some foul language, which is already a regular part of his Twitter.

Nice selective reading you have there. You should consider a career in game journalism.

 

[demidar]

I'm not making excuses. I'm assigning personality, and while I can always be wrong, my guess is about as valid as "he's racist" without the obvious drawback of him learning foreign languages and responding to international fanmail.

That's true. After some thought, I think I settled on "muttering" because he "walked away" from a conversation and changed languages to say something else. In real life, that usually happens with muttering.

I don't know Japanese, but I'm pretty sure that's not a direct translation.


Nice selective reading you have there. You should consider a career in game journalism.

I'm sure he'd be a natural fit for Kotaku.

 

[-KRS-]

Haha, oh good old Kamiya. This is why I follow him on Twitter.

 

[Kikujiro]

Oooooh Kamiya so great, oooooh the told him to eat shit and he told him to fuck off stupid foreigner, so badass man, insulting other people is truly the most badass thing on the net. I'm in love. He's a God!
Kotaku is awful and all, but Kamiya reacts like a clueless child. There's some high level hypocrisy diplayed in this thread.

He's allowed to say whatever he wants to.

Yeah sure, and Phil Fish was allowed to say whatever he wanted. Doesn't make him immune to being called out.

I don't care about who is right and who is wrong, but the hypocrisy is really baffling.

 

[Zia]

Kamiya is fantastic. Video Games needs more blunt personalities.

 

[I'm an expert]

Oooooh Kamiya so great, oooooh the told him to eat shit and he told him to fuck off stupid foreigner, so badass man, insulting other people is truly the most badass thing on the net. I'm in love. He's a God!
Kotaku is awful and all, but Kamiya reacts like a clueless child. There's some high level hypocrisy diplayed in this thread.



Yeah sure, and Phil Fish was allowed to say whatever he wanted. Doesn't make him immune to being called out.

I don't care about who is right and who is wrong, but the hypocrisy is really baffling.

Why hypocrisy? He's allowed to say whatever he wants. So is Phil Fish. And we're allowed to call either out. Who said we weren't? Your quote doesn't have anything saying that. Whether you side with them or not is a personal choice. That more people side with Kamiya than Fish isn't exactly surprising when you compare the two situations in a cool headed manner.

Foreign guest at a conference asks you a question, you respond their country's games suck.
Trolls troll a fellow troll. It's funny all around.

 

[SuicidalSteve]

Seems like Marcus Beer has been annoyed about Kamiya about what happened

https://twitter.com/AnnoyedGamer

 

[Fuu]

The idea that Kamiya would hide behind Japanese because he's "afraid" to tweet something offensive in English is hilarious. Shame that exchange happened and derailed the focus from Kotaku's shit though. If someone said I was clueless in the title of a news piece and then asked why I got hostile I'd just get more pissed.

 

[demidar]

Oooooh Kamiya so great, oooooh the told him to eat shit and he told him to fuck off stupid foreigner, so badass man, insulting other people is truly the most badass thing on the net. I'm in love. He's a God!
Kotaku is awful and all, but Kamiya reacts like a clueless child. There's some high level hypocrisy diplayed in this thread.



Yeah sure, and Phil Fish was allowed to say whatever he wanted. Doesn't make him immune to being called out.

I don't care about who is right and who is wrong, but the hypocrisy is really baffling.

What hypocrisy? Do tell.

 

[Dick Justice]

Bit of a difference between Fish and Kamiya. Fish acted like a cunt and essentially insulted Japanese game developers. Kamiya reacted towards idiots who like to troll him. Truly identical context there.

 

[Row]

Embarrassed at the hero worship for Kamiya here. "he made some games I like and talks like a 13 year old on twitter, he's awesome!"

and, yes, he clearly tweeted gaijin in a derogatory sense. If I went "hey, you damned foreigner" in response to someone insulting me pretty sure it'd be seen as racist.

Yea I came into the thread expecting something a lot better than "Do you eat shit" and all the "omgomg amazing kamigod!!!!" responses to it

kamiya looks like an idiot here

 

[Josh7289]

Another one:

Once again, predictably horrible display of journalism on kotaku's behalf, considering these quotes from Inaba:





http://www.polygon.com/gaming/2012/9/24/3383184/platinum-games-on-pc-steam-kickstarter-tgs

Basically, not only are the extrapolating his views on japanese industry as a whole, but they are also unaware that PG is interested in getting their stuff on STEAM. Some quotes from the Kotaku article:






Guy even assumes that Kamiya means Steam when he refers to "cloud" which are not necessarily identical concepts.

Wow, Kotaku.

 

[creid]

Eh, I wasn't going to nail this one on Kotaku because I think Eisenbeis is a particularly blithering idiot, but if everyone at Kotaku is rushing in to defend his stupid article...

 

[Cerebral Assassin]

Yea I came into the thread expecting something a lot better than "Do you eat shit" and all the "omgomg amazing kamigod!!!!" responses to it

kamiya looks like an idiot here

The only idiots are the editors at Kotaku (for letting such a terrible article on their site).

 

[Hitokiri03]

Seems like Marcus Beer has been annoyed about Kamiya about what happened

https://twitter.com/AnnoyedGamer

I remembered this guy insulting Kojima only because he couldn't speak English on VGAs.

 

[MachoSuave]

The more I think about this the more I found the whole situation truly sickening. Here is a man who takes a portion out of his day, each day, to jump on twitter and respond to fans, despite how stupid many of the questions they field may be. In comes some kotaku parasite who sees a chance to throw together a quick article, nay, critically under-researched blog post, shaming the man for a simple comment over a situation that he himself, not being the man in charge, has no power over, slaps a controversial click-baiting headline to it and now apparently Kamiya is the one who has to answer for his, very much warranted, reaction.

On top of this we then have kotaku-affiliated characters like this who want to bandwagon this shit into the sunset, ignore everything that has occurred previously and launch a personal attack on Kamiya himself. Loaded with a lovely bit of hypocrisy I might add, "calling him out" on the baka gaijin comment with "What Kamiya is demonstrating is that he is clueless about the Internet (which shouldn’t be a surprise for Japanese gaming)". This is what racial stereotyping really looks like.

 

[RoboGeorgeForeman]

kamiya is right, as always. but i could do without all that foreigner stuff. i think some veteran devs still need to learn to ignore internet assholes. they're not worth anyone's time. i remember when harada got called "a fat fuck" over twitter. it's embarrassing, and that's why we can't have nice things. learn to ignore, or you'll snap.

just don't link to kotaku if you want to shut them up. they thrive on your hate. sadly, gaf likes to link to them often, so it's been harder to avoid them these past years. were they not banned for a while?

Why is Kotaku unbanned again? They're responsible for just as much misinformation as "the sales tracking site which must not be named."

 

[Randy Monk]

The sooner Kotaku dies the better. Sick of their shit.

 

[Ifrit]

Kamiya can do no wrong in my opinion.

This man, has good taste

 

[Zoe]

I don't know Japanese, but I'm pretty sure that's not a direct translation.

You're right, more like "shitty stupid idiot foreigners."

 

[ponpo]

#rebankotaku

 

[Negator]

Kamiya can do no wrong in my opinion.

Based Kamiya

 

[Curufinwe]

I'm going to start doing that on gaf. If I disagree with someone, I'm going to just throw insults and use whatever four letter word I can think of.

I want to see how it goes.

GAF is not your personal twitter account.

Reminds me of Phil Fish. I don't really see a difference in what he did, and the very thing Kamiya is doing right now.

The difference is obvious and has been explained clearly half a dozen times already in this thread.

 

[∀ Narayan]

Gold. Solid gold. I love Kamiya.

 

[Curufinwe]

On top of this we then have kotaku-affiliated characters like this who want to bandwagon this shit into the sunset, ignore everything that has occurred previously and launch a personal attack on Kamiya himself. Loaded with a lovely bit of hypocrisy I might add, "calling him out" on the baka gaijin comment with "What Kamiya is demonstrating is that he is clueless about the Internet (which shouldn’t be a surprise for Japanese gaming)". This is what racial stereotyping really looks like.

That's fucking disgusting.

 

[RedNumberFive]

I'd love it if gaf can go back to banning kotaku links and anything related to kotaku.

Seconded. GAF could do without their link baiting garbage.

 

[Messofanego]

Seems like Marcus Beer has been annoyed about Kamiya about what happened

https://twitter.com/AnnoyedGamer

He doesn't like either party.

 

[demidar]

I'd argue that a person who writes such a sensationalist article is not interested in honesty or integrity, making further discussion between the involved parties utterly useless.

 

[stupei]

I don't see how the foreigner response isn't appropriate. Kotaku write an article claiming to have some vast knowledge of Japanese opinion on PC gaming and use Kamiya's tweet as supporting evidence. They're being ignorant foreigners assigning their perspective to a country they almost certainly don't know as much about as they purport to.

Not sure why emphasizing that these are non-Japanese people making broad proclamations about all of Japanese game design isn't appropriate.

 

[Kacho]

On top of this we then have kotaku-affiliated characters like this who want to bandwagon this shit into the sunset, ignore everything that has occurred previously and launch a personal attack on Kamiya himself. Loaded with a lovely bit of hypocrisy I might add, "calling him out" on the baka gaijin comment with "What Kamiya is demonstrating is that he is clueless about the Internet (which shouldn’t be a surprise for Japanese gaming)". This is what racial stereotyping really looks like.

You've gotta be kidding me.

 

[faridmon]

Bit of a difference between Fish and Kamiya. Fish acted like a cunt and essentially insulted Japanese game developers. Kamiya reacted towards idiots who like to troll him. Truly identical context there.

And also, Fish is a well known prick in general, while Kamiya appear to be a nice, cool dude in person.

 

[Shadders]

What is the general opinion of Kotaku in Japan? Because to me, Kotaku seems really creepy with the way they constantly highlight how Japan is weird. If there was an American site that occasionally talked about videogames, but spent most of its time highlighting curious parts of British culture or doing articles about niche British products that they find weird, I think I'd find that quite offensive.

Because that's what Kotaku is, although replace Britain with Japan, obviously.

 

[andymcc]

You've gotta be kidding me.

http://seanmalstrom.wordpress.com/2008/11/03/toast/

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19041107&postcount=1

this guy is a legitimate nutjob.

 

[Pooya]

Kamiya has great taste I see, no surprise.


if you turn a twitter comment into a 'clever' article you deserve to be mocked at, at least conduct some proper interviews, this just comes of as lazy too. Kotaku just doesn't seem to have any editorial quality control, occasionally they publish very good articles or really good scoops with good sources and interviews but most of the other times, from certain staff specially, it's just poor articles after poor articles and sometimes really embarrassing and downright false made up news, they ruin any image they try to build over and over again.

 

[darkside31337]

Kamiya has great taste I see, no surprise.


if you turn a twitter comment into a 'clever' article you deserve to be mocked at, at least conduct some proper interviews, this just comes of as lazy too. Kotaku just doesn't seem to have any editorial quality control, occasionally they publish very good articles or really good scoops with good sources and interviews but most of the other times, from certain staff specially, it's just poor articles after poor articles and sometimes really embarrassing and downright false made up news, they ruin any image they try to build over and over again.

Personally I don't think there was anything wrong with Kotaku choosing to write an article about the tweets coming out of one of the more prolific game designers in Japan right now. They weren't even wrong in calling him clueless, he said himself that he lacked any kind of interest about both Valve and PC gaming.

It's not lazy journalism to write something on what somebody else chose to share on a public venue. That is what Twitter is. You can't choose what other people do with your tweets, they are public information.

I generally don't care for Kotaku (although I do like the work some of their writers do like Owen) but Kamiya is in the wrong here and he comes off as a petulant child with the way he responded to the article.

 

[Hydrogen Bluebird]

How the hell would Kamiya not be pissed? The Kotaku article called him clueless. In the fucking headline so that it will get more hits. Disgusting really.

 

[Pooya]

It's not lazy journalism to write something on what somebody else chose to share on a public venue. That is what Twitter is. You can't choose what other people do with your tweets, they are public information.

It is lazy, Kamiya's twitter account is mostly a joke, The editor must be really clueless turning it into an article and taking it seriously, anyone who reads his feed would know this.

 

[waypoetic]

"Do you eat shit?" classy guy. And immature. Wouldn't bother

 

[TheSeks]

He doesn't like either party.
http://i.imgur.com/FHlq4.jpg

Which is the reasonable answer.

Kamiya is acting like a cunt. Kotaku is in the wrong due to them twisting Kamiya's employee's words.

Carnival of stupid abounds.

Maybe when Kamiya finally calms down, maybe he can help Luke fix the article? Or not, but the least he could've done was been professional and said "no comment, and don't talk to me anymore

Kamiya's twitter account is mostly a joke, The editor must be really clueless turning it into an article and taking it seriously, anyone who reads his feed would know this.

One of these things is not like the other...

 

[Kusagari]

He doesn't like either party.

His "honest question" involved calling his own work a "good piece" and saying it explained a Japanese perspective when it was built off mining Kamiya's twitter.

Plunkett deserved the response he got.

 

[Hydrogen Bluebird]

His "honest question" involved calling his own work a "good piece" and saying it explained a Japanese perspective when it was built off mining Kamiya's twitter.

Plunkett deserved the response he got.

Agreed. And the bolded part is why Kamiya had that "I am all of Japan" tweet or something like that. He can't represent the majority of Japan or Japan as a whole since his gaming preference only represents himself. If this was a good survey or poll with thousands or hundreds of randomly selected participants, maybe then writers can draw generalizations.

 

[saichi]

It's not lazy journalism to write something on what somebody else chose to share on a public venue. That is what Twitter is. You can't choose what other people do with your tweets, they are public information.

You are basically saying Kotaku can take any public information on the internet and make it into an article without verifying it.

Maybe when Kamiya finally calms down, maybe he can help Luke fix the article? Or not, but the least he could've done was been professional and said "no comment, and don't talk to me anymore

Luke should have asked Kamiya about it before he published the article. Why should Kamiya help him fix it after it's already published?

 

[LiK]

It is lazy, Kamiya's twitter account is mostly a joke, The editor must be really clueless turning it into an article and taking it seriously, anyone who reads his feed would know this.

indeed, anyone following Kamiya should know he likes to troll on it. If he doesn't care about something or doesn't wanna answer it, he'll just dismiss it. I dunno how that article was even considered to be written. It's not newsworthy.

 

[Cerebral Assassin]

Personally I don't think there was anything wrong with Kotaku choosing to write an article about the tweets coming out of one of the more prolific game designers in Japan right now. They weren't even wrong in calling him clueless, he said himself that he lacked any kind of interest about both Valve and PC gaming.

It's not lazy journalism to write something on what somebody else chose to share on a public venue. That is what Twitter is. You can't choose what other people do with your tweets, they are public information.

I generally don't care for Kotaku (although I do like the work some of their writers do like Owen) but Kamiya is in the wrong here and he comes off as a petulant child with the way he responded to the article.

So you don't think that extrapolating one mans comment to represent a whole country is lazy journalism?

Which is the reasonable answer.

Kamiya is acting like a cunt. Kotaku is in the wrong due to them twisting Kamiya's employee's words.

Carnival of stupid abounds.

Maybe when Kamiya finally calms down, maybe he can help Luke fix the article? Or not, but the least he could've done was been professional and said "no comment, and don't talk to me anymore

One simple google search by anyone at Kotaku could have fixed the article(Platinum games + Valve would have brought up quotes by Inaba during his visit to Valve earlier in the year), why should Kamiya waste his time to help people who are so bad at their jobs?

 

[HammerOfThor]

Kamiya is awesome and I hate Kotaku, so go Kamiya. I mean they directly insulted the guy and his culture over BS journalism.

AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA this gif is so amazing.

 

[Hydrogen Bluebird]

So you don't think that extrapolating one mans comment to represent a whole country is lazy journalism?



One simple google search by anyone at Kotaku could have fixed the article(Platinum games + Valve would have brought up quotes by Inaba during his visit to Valve earlier in the year), why should Kamiya waste his time to help people who are so bad at their jobs?

I don't get this "Kamiya could help Kotaku fix their article" BS either. It's Kotaku's responsibility to produce respectable material.

 

[Interrobang]

I'm guessing by the no word about any of this on the original article or from Kotaku at all that they're just sweeping that horror of an article under the rug and letting it pull in traffic?

 

[darkside31337]

You are basically saying Kotaku can take any public information on the internet and make it into an article without verifying it.

Uh yeah? When you choose to write something on Twitter its available for anybody and everybody to read. Kamiya evidently doesn't understand how Twitter works.

They should have just posted the tweets without comment.

 

[teruterubozu]

I'm guessing by the no word about any of this on the original article or from Kotaku at all that they're just sweeping that horror of an article under the rug and letting it pull in traffic?

I can't even find the damn article on their unnavigable site.

 

[Kacho]

http://seanmalstrom.wordpress.com/2008/11/03/toast/

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19041107&postcount=1

this guy is a legitimate nutjob.

That wordpress link...lol