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[Laughing Banana]

I see Kamiya being a vocal person like that as no different than, say, David Jaffe being liberal with his "fuck" occasionally when the circumstances warrant for it.

If you want to play the blame game though, it's obvious this whole incident can be blamed on Kotaku more than can be blamed on Kamiya. They stole his twitter statements to make disparaging article towards him designed to bring clicks to their website, for God's sakes.

I wouldn't be nice too if that were to happen to me.

 

[pants]

Plunkett said don't bother buying Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed.
There's no point in ever listening to him.

Anyone that holds this opinion needs to be kicked up the backside

 

[Anteater]

Lets not forget that steam is most likely region blocked in Japan.

I lived in Singapore for 3 years and steam was worthless there. Most download & streaming services are moot overseas.

Not sure about Singapore but steam is really good here in Hong Kong, it's actually a lot easier to get access to games on Steam than something like Nintendo consoles (don't own one so I might not be right about it, but I see nothing but japanese imports here which could be pricey), not to mention pricing on steam is as good as North America, with the exception of EA games.

Streaming (films, etc) on the other hand is pretty crap due to licensing I guess.

 

[Pepsiman]

This is a fun news story and thread to follow as someone who's bought PC games in Japan both in retail (They exist! Even translations of major Western games!) and via Steam and also doesn't take personal offense when a native refers to me as a gaijin/gaikokujin. It kind of makes me sad that the people getting really upset over Kamiya's choice of words do it based on a machine translation, since words like gaijin and gaikokujin don't really have a lot of direct English equivalents that, especially in this context, lack some sort of politically charged connotation, but I'm not particularly surprised, either. I'm not saying I would do a better job as a translator if I handled Kamiya's Japanese myself, but other people have at least nailed the basic idea that his use as I personally understand it as a Japanese speaker is a lot more about his frustration at the Kotaku article's lack of real journalistic inquiry into the Japanese side of the industry and the actual cultural forces it presumes to understand than any supposed racism.

 

[JaxJag]

Okay, how do you think he should've handled it?

Contacted Kotaku and express his displeasure? Tweet about his dislike of the article on twitter? I'm sure there's a number of other better ways of expressing his disappointment with the article.

There was zero need to throw insults and use obscenities.

 

[Risette]

Contacted Kotaku and express his displeasure? Tweet about his dislike of the article on twitter? I'm sure there's a number of other better ways of expressing his disappointment with the article.

There was zero need to throw insults and use obscenities.

He expressed his displeasure on Twitter with insults and obscenities. I don't see the issue here.

 

[JaxJag]

I'm going to start doing that on gaf. If I disagree with someone, I'm going to just throw insults and use whatever four letter word I can think of.

I want to see how it goes.

 

[Gustav]

Can't wait for CliffyB to tweet "Fucking stupid foreigners" and everybody on GAF praising him for being a god.

 

[Laughing Banana]

I'm going to start doing that on gaf. If I disagree with someone, I'm going to just throw insults and use whatever four letter word I can think of.

I want to see how it goes.

Sorry, but this is a severe understatement to the overall situation. It's not just about disagreement, it's about Kotaku acting like, yes, thieves.

Man, I hope I don't sound way too exaggerating when I say this, but this is a very shameful behavior from Kotaku. They're practically thieves here, using Kamiya's twit without permission to make article designed to draw clicks towards their website, an article disparaging the person they are stealing it from.

And they still got the balls to wonder why Kamiya is so angry with them, heh.

If Kotaku were a "proper" venue of journalism things would have gone to shit so quickly for them it's not even funny.

 

[demidar]

Contacted Kotaku and express his displeasure? Tweet about his dislike of the article on twitter? I'm sure there's a number of other better ways of expressing his disappointment with the article.

There was zero need to throw insults and use obscenities.

There's also zero need to not throw insults and use obscenities. He's not a government official or a company face, he's just a developer who speaks his mind.

 

[hteng]

Gaijin is not really a proper/polite term, but I would look at the intent first before coming to a conclusion.

And that Kotaku article was bad (but that goes without saying, huh?).

hmm? gaijin literally translates to foreigner, if you aren't from the country then it's completely normal to call someone a foreigner, simple as that, what's so improper/impolite about it?

Now if you are referring to terms like "Guai Lou" used frequently in HK then it might be consider impolite. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gweilo

 

[Mael]

I'm going to start doing that on gaf. If I disagree with someone, I'm going to just throw insults and use whatever four letter word I can think of.

I want to see how it goes.

You mean Kamiya has a Gaf account?

 

[Warren Ellis]

stupid people get owned by a god. Nothing to see here.

 

[Alexios]

I'm going to start doing that on gaf. If I disagree with someone, I'm going to just throw insults and use whatever four letter word I can think of.

I want to see how it goes.

I think if someone trolls you like Kotaku trolled Kamiya and Japan he'll be banned long before you have time to respond in such a manner. If you did have time you'd probably get banned too, but then, nobody banned Kotaku from the internet for that shit (sadly) so why should Kamiya be blamed for treating someone who was rude to him badly?

 

[Stiflers Mom]

It's nice to see how undiplomatic Kamiya acts...

Just telling how he sees those things.

This is such a rare thing these days.


I hope he stays like this..

 

[Castor Krieg]

Now if you are referring to terms like "Guai Lou" used frequently in HK then it might be consider impolite. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gweilo

I love being called this way. You can talk your way out of anything by simply saying you are a foreign devil, the Cantonese will simply laugh and play along.

 

[Acinixys]

Kotaku is the HEAT magazine of the Internet. So someone calling them out on their BS seems appropriate

 

[Sammy Samusu]

I'm going to start doing that on gaf. If I disagree with someone, I'm going to just throw insults and use whatever four letter word I can think of.

I want to see how it goes.

You are not Kamiya.

 

[demidar]

You are not Kamiya.

Naw he should do it, I want to see how long it lasts.

The difference is that the people Kamiya is insulting aren't looking for a fruitful argument, just prodding for a reaction. And a reaction they'll get, although all it does is make the rest of the people hate the trolls.

 

[JaxJag]

There's also zero need to not throw insults and use obscenities. He's not a government official or a company face, he's just a developer who speaks his mind.

So if you aren't a government official, or the face of some fortune 500 company you should say and treat people however you want? Ok, I gotcha.

 

[B-Genius]

Maybe next time they should actually interview the guy and not write an article based on some vague tweets.

And the one decent, sensible thought is lost forever on the internets, never to be seen by Kotaku, or indeed anyone who could do well to heed its wisdom.

 

[Riposte]

I'm going to start doing that on gaf. If I disagree with someone, I'm going to just throw insults and use whatever four letter word I can think of.

I want to see how it goes.

GAF =/= personal twitter.

 

[Laughing Banana]

So if you aren't a government official, or the face of some fortune 500 company you should say and treat people however you want? Ok, I gotcha.

Dude, I don't get it.

Kotake stole his twitter to make a disparaging article about the person they're stealing it from and then afterwards had the gall to actually act all dignified about it, and even act like, "Lol, why is he mad about?"

This is not "Kamiya treating people however he want", Kotaku was the one instigated this and he responded appropriately to their treatment towards himself.

 

[Anteater]

Kamiya wouldn't last a day on gaf, besides, the reason he's using one liners is that he probably couldn't articulate his thoughts very well in english without spending a lot of effort, if he wants to start any meaningful discussion he would prefer to use japanese.

He only uses twitter for fans and he would like to keep his tweets short, he doesn't have time start any debate. He mostly only express what he like/dislike.

 

[Santar]

People around here sure loooove Kamiya.
If he was a guy from a company not well respected here on these boards say like a pr person dealing with the new Tomb Raider he'd be attacked like there was no tomorrow.

 

[demidar]

So if you aren't a government official, or the face of some fortune 500 company you should say and treat people however you want? Ok, I gotcha.

You imply Kamiya flies off the handle for no reason whatsoever, and that's why you're wrong.

 

[herod]

So if you aren't a government official, or the face of some fortune 500 company you should say and treat people however you want? Ok, I gotcha.

you seem to have mistaken our hobby for a meeting of the rotary club

 

[glaurung]

I've removed Kotaku from my information intake since 2008.

All they print is utter shit. The fact that they are staffed with human excrement does not help either.

With Hideki on this one.

 

[B-Genius]

I love being called this way. You can talk your way out of anything by simply saying you are a foreign devil, the Cantonese will simply laugh and play along.

My white friends in HK laugh about being called gweilo. My buds and I in Japan joke about being gaijin. Big deal, you just roll with it.

Eyyyy, 'sup mah gaijin!
Lookin' good there, gaijin.
Gaijin, please!

 

[Alexios]

People around here sure looooves Kamiya.
If he was a guy from a company not well respected here on these boards say like a pr person dealing with the new Tomb Raider he'd be attacked like there was no tomorrow.

He'd be attacked if it was uncalled for. And if it was some hated person he'd probably do uncalled for things like that and yes, be called out for it. I don't see how a wholly different situation like that should change people's feelings about this case. Kamiya just told Kotaku what lots of people want to tell Kotaku and did it when they grossly attacked and misrepresented him in a manner far more public than Twitter posts, not just because he happens to hate them for no reason whatsoever.

 

[Shtof]

Kotaku is still relevant? Why, world? It's 2013, humanity should know better.

 

[JaxJag]

You imply Kamiya flies off the handle for no reason whatsoever, and that's why you're wrong.

Sort of comes across that way, considering Kotaku just quoted comments Kamiya publically made on Twitter and made a story.

 

[Anteater]

Getting a bit off topic but people in hk uses the term gweilo so much they probably don't even know there are better "alternatives" and proper term for calling a foreigner.

 

[Sadist]

Oh Hideki you crazy awesome man

 

[JaxJag]

People around here sure loooove Kamiya.
If he was a guy from a company not well respected here on these boards say like a pr person dealing with the new Tomb Raider he'd be attacked like there was no tomorrow.

Reminds me of Phil Fish. I don't really see a difference in what he did, and the very thing Kamiya is doing right now.

 

[Risette]

There's also zero need to not throw insults and use obscenities. He's not a government official or a company face, he's just a developer who speaks his mind.

Not quite insults or obscenities, but Jobs was pretty good at shooting down assholes who sent him crap and he was the face of a rather big company.

http://www.emailsfromstevejobs.com/...ine-over-not-getting-a-comment-from-apple-pr/
http://www.emailsfromstevejobs.com/...after-being-denied-a-refund-on-the-app-store/
http://www.emailsfromstevejobs.com/...torts-you-are-a-super-salesperson-by-the-way/

(no surprise that gawker picked up on that first one)

 

[suzu]

hmm? gaijin literally translates to foreigner, if you aren't from the country then it's completely normal to call someone a foreigner, simple as that, what's so improper/impolite about it?

Now if you are referring to terms like "Guai Lou" used frequently in HK then it might be consider impolite. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gweilo

Well, I was thinking of it in the way that it might be similar to the current usage of gwai lo. I use that word casually, but without any maliciousness.

My point was that it may seem improper (as foreign people may actually take offense to it). That is why I said his intent matters. *Also there are alternative words to use. Anyway, I don't think the word is a big deal like some are making it out to be. lol.

*edit

 

[Glass Rebel]

It's about telling the right people to fuck off, and when.

But no I like him for his games better.

I like Kamiya because he tells the right people to fuck off. Few others in the industry does it quite like him. You expect the guy who wrote the article to have a shred of journalistic integrity? The existence of the article is evidence to the contrary.

And he makes cool games too.

I don't think anybody is saying Kotaku has any integrity or that they weren't in the wrong. It's just that seeing a respectable developer like Kamiya resort to insults and stoop down to their level is disappointing to say the least. There are ways to handle this in a mature way.

 

[demidar]

Sort of comes across that way, considering Kotaku just quoted comments Kamiya publically made on Twitter and made a story.

Uhh hello?

Blatantly false, worthy only of being insulted.

 

[Mael]

People around here sure loooove Kamiya.
If he was a guy from a company not well respected here on these boards say like a pr person dealing with the new Tomb Raider he'd be attacked like there was no tomorrow.

Or maybe we just don't like shit journalists.

Sort of comes across that way, considering Kotaku just quoted comments Kamiya publically made on Twitter and made a story.

Huh, no.
They took up a comment, removed the context and shat on him for good measure.
There's nothing journalistic in Kotaku's behaviour.

 

[pelican]

I get confused as I hardly use twitter of who is saying what in the pics.

But it isn't surprising since Kotaku is such a poor tabloid site only visited by buffoons who know no better.

I haven't visited Kotaku since my balls dropped. And I have no plans of ever returning.

 

[demidar]

Not quite insults or obscenities, but Jobs was pretty good at shooting down assholes who sent him crap and he was the face of a rather big company.

http://www.emailsfromstevejobs.com/...ine-over-not-getting-a-comment-from-apple-pr/
http://www.emailsfromstevejobs.com/...after-being-denied-a-refund-on-the-app-store/
http://www.emailsfromstevejobs.com/...torts-you-are-a-super-salesperson-by-the-way/

(no surprise that gawker picked up on that first one)

Jobs is the face of his company, it would behoove him to be nice in public (despite actually being a dick in real life), not to mention English is his native tongue.

I don't think anybody is saying Kotaku has any integrity or that they weren't in the wrong. It's just that seeing a respectable developer like Kamiya resort to insults and stoop down to their level is disappointing to say the least. There are ways to handle this in a mature way.

For me, he's respectable because he's unfiltered. So many responses nowadays are so PC and checked. Other people might not see it that way of course.

 

[Sir_Crocodile]

"Journalism? Ha ha" is the best tweet

 

[JaxJag]

Now that I think about it. The responses are exactly what I expect from someone who made a game like Bayonetta.

 

[Mael]

Now that I think about it. The responses are exactly what I expect from someone who made a game like Bayonetta.

And what would you expect from someone at the head of Apple?
Would you say that Jobs was a bad PR person?

 

[Necron]

Well, that escalated quickly. Kamiya is my hero!

 

[Net_Wrecker]

And what would you expect from someone at the head of Apple?
Would you say that Jobs was a bad PR person?

He meant only someone who made such a brilliant game could have such brilliant Tweets.

Surely.

 

[Aaron]

Now that I think about it. The responses are exactly what I expect from someone who made a game like Bayonetta.

If someone is being an asshole, and you don't call him an asshole, you're the problem. Because if you don't rub their noses in it, there's nothing to stop them from being an even greater asshole tomorrow.

I dislike the anti-PC and PC movements equally. I like adult people to be mature about the stuff they say or write.

To me, not freaking out when someone uses 'gaijin' would be mature. Pretending there are naughty words that we must never use... that's childish.

 

[Glass Rebel]

For me, he's respectable because he's unfiltered. So many responses nowadays are so PC and checked. Other people might not see it that way of course.

I dislike the anti-PC and PC movements equally. I like adult people to be mature about the stuff they say or write.

 

[Duffyside]

Now that I think about it. The responses are exactly what I expect from someone who made a game like Bayonetta.

They are pretty greeeat!