Which version of Halo 4 has any of that?
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Which version of Halo 4 has any of that?
MrGreencastle
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And a focus put on asymmetrical gametypes!
I'm talking reminiscent of:
Zanzi/Last Resort: One Bomb/Flag
High Ground: One Bomb/Flag
Ascension: One Flag
I also seriously hope Objective is in the Doubles playlist, even if it's only Oddball or something.
Care to elaborate?
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
My post was about the differences between MLG and default objective throughout all the games. Yes Halo 4 objective has some work/tweaks to do but what they did wasn't all bad by any means, just very different and for me a 3rd place behind Halo 3 objective (1st) and Halo 2 objective (2nd).
If you can't take the time to read my posts and see I'm in favour of having both default objective AND MLG objective then don't bother replying mate. Save us all the BS thanks.
All of them were completely forgettable. I can't remember any of their names, and they were based on the most typical archetypes you could possibly have for a squad but with none of the personality. They tried to visually distinguish them a bit and then gave up halfway through so they look like minutely different ODSTs, lowest point in art design for characters in the entire series too.
ODST had some good ideas, but I never felt like it came together very well at all, especially the pseudo-stealth which didn't mean shit once you let your [silenced] gun spray. Another year in the oven and I'd put it alongside the other Halos.
Reach was worse in regards to characterisation, IMO.
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I never understood the love for ODST. I mean, sure... the gameplay was kinda interesting in Firefight but the campaign was sooooo incredibly boring and the story was obviously just thrown in for the sake of it.
MrGreencastle
Member
Here's the message so far from 343: You competitive fans can play any competitive playlist you like, so long as you pick from this list of which none of the options are competitive playlists.
It's like what Ford said.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
I'll take it I enjoy both of those gametypes and more.
The more I read your posts, the more I cringe.
And who is this "us all" you include your post? The same group of people who sent you PM's?
Settings are based on balance, most of what you listed is either a combo of BTB map, was tested in MLG and didn't make the cut, or just out there for competitive play. Along with that MLG only allows 11 gametypes, why would they choose Turf 1 Flag over something like Midship CTF? It comes down to what's more competitive. I respect your passion (kinda) but you are talking about things you don't understand, again.
Half the list is shit, the other half is BTB.
Same thing.
MaximumFlipFlop
Banned
I forget where I copy pasted this from, but how accurate is it?
Didact
You know, I totally get Didact as far as his "I fucking hate you guys" villain bit. Let's look at his life, in short.
>Born a brilliant tactician with a strong capability for war
>...In a society that abhors violence against any living thing and views warriors with contempt
>Stumble upon the love of his life, marries her, and has several children, all of whom he is very proud for taking up the warrior's life like their pop
>Suddenly these human dudes attack
>Defends his people, people resent him for it
>"Quit killing ANYTHING!"
>All his children are killed during the war, by humans
>Humans claim to be running from nightmarish parasite
>Tell your people about this
>"Probly just an excuse bro. Finish your war. Also, you suck for defending us. Save the humans, etc."
>Devolve humans back to the stone age for being too cool for school
>Occasionally try to bring up that whole "galaxy-devouring parasite" thing
>"lol fuck you Didact, there's no parasite"
>There is a parasite
>"DIDACT HELP US, THERE IS A PARASITE"
>He opts to overhaul and strengthen the vigilance of all defenses, build sanctuaries, and cleanse the Flood utterly, the way you do with any disease
>"Sorry bro, we're gonna go with this guy's "galactic suicide rings" project instead."
>"But-"
>"lol fuck you Didact, how about some eternal imprisonment for being such a swell guy?"
>Imprisoned for no fucking reason
>Wakes up just in time to be betrayed and murdered by one of his own people
>Flood is wrecking everyone's shit because all military budget went into Suicide Rings
>Have to reincarnate and obliterate the personality of a guy he was just warming up to
>Mutation makes him look fucking hideous
>Campaign against the Flood goes horribly
>Dickshit Forerunner guys actually trying to preserve the Flood instead of wipe them out because space hippies
>Wife, his sole emotional support, barely talks to him anymore because she actually supports using the Suicide Rings even though she spends all her days trying to find a way to preserve humanity, Didact's old foe
>Wife literally cares more about making sure your enemy lives than being with you
>Didact tries to find her
>"go away Didact, just kill us all so the humans (who warned us about the parasite you tried to defend us against after defending us against the humans) can live!"
>Wife dies on earth after burying Ark
>Didact never sees her again
>Forced to kill your wife (and the rest of the galaxy) then go to bed for a few thousand years
>Wake up, praying that the plan worked
>First thing you see is more fucking humans basically robbing your tomb and fucking around with your planet
>And they brought OTHER aliens that hate them
>Your only allies are toy soldiers you made because your own fucking people would never give you warriors (except your sons, who died)
>People of this time now have the gall to brand you a villain
Didact
You know, I totally get Didact as far as his "I fucking hate you guys" villain bit. Let's look at his life, in short.
>Born a brilliant tactician with a strong capability for war
>...In a society that abhors violence against any living thing and views warriors with contempt
>Stumble upon the love of his life, marries her, and has several children, all of whom he is very proud for taking up the warrior's life like their pop
>Suddenly these human dudes attack
>Defends his people, people resent him for it
>"Quit killing ANYTHING!"
>All his children are killed during the war, by humans
>Humans claim to be running from nightmarish parasite
>Tell your people about this
>"Probly just an excuse bro. Finish your war. Also, you suck for defending us. Save the humans, etc."
>Devolve humans back to the stone age for being too cool for school
>Occasionally try to bring up that whole "galaxy-devouring parasite" thing
>"lol fuck you Didact, there's no parasite"
>There is a parasite
>"DIDACT HELP US, THERE IS A PARASITE"
>He opts to overhaul and strengthen the vigilance of all defenses, build sanctuaries, and cleanse the Flood utterly, the way you do with any disease
>"Sorry bro, we're gonna go with this guy's "galactic suicide rings" project instead."
>"But-"
>"lol fuck you Didact, how about some eternal imprisonment for being such a swell guy?"
>Imprisoned for no fucking reason
>Wakes up just in time to be betrayed and murdered by one of his own people
>Flood is wrecking everyone's shit because all military budget went into Suicide Rings
>Have to reincarnate and obliterate the personality of a guy he was just warming up to
>Mutation makes him look fucking hideous
>Campaign against the Flood goes horribly
>Dickshit Forerunner guys actually trying to preserve the Flood instead of wipe them out because space hippies
>Wife, his sole emotional support, barely talks to him anymore because she actually supports using the Suicide Rings even though she spends all her days trying to find a way to preserve humanity, Didact's old foe
>Wife literally cares more about making sure your enemy lives than being with you
>Didact tries to find her
>"go away Didact, just kill us all so the humans (who warned us about the parasite you tried to defend us against after defending us against the humans) can live!"
>Wife dies on earth after burying Ark
>Didact never sees her again
>Forced to kill your wife (and the rest of the galaxy) then go to bed for a few thousand years
>Wake up, praying that the plan worked
>First thing you see is more fucking humans basically robbing your tomb and fucking around with your planet
>And they brought OTHER aliens that hate them
>Your only allies are toy soldiers you made because your own fucking people would never give you warriors (except your sons, who died)
>People of this time now have the gall to brand you a villain
The gameplay in ODST just gets worse the more you play it. The excessive vulnerability increases tension and makes you a bit more strategic but leads to more "cheap" encounters like the return of Halo 2 Jackals, Hunter spawns, etc. When it's good it's really fucking good, otherwise forgettable.
The stealth doesn't really function very well, and hiding in the darkness is a shit shoot, the city was nothing special, highly unvaried artistically, the encounters were not that great or memorable as a whole, city with nothing to do and not much personality (superintendent largely forgettable, despite helping the atmosphere in places), etc. It was just a really big beta test for an open-world game that I don't feel came together and the entire experience wasn't looked over a second time as a *whole*.
I thought superintendent integration was going to be much more prevalent than it was, especially the way they pitched the game. And I thought it would change the desolate city more.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
MLG is your baby, I get that, I'm not suggesting anything for MLG. I'm not trying to steer your MLG settings at all, make your settings how MLG want them and I truly respect those and want 343i to provide them for your community.
However when posts here imply that default objective should be a carbon copy MLG objective I take issue with that and post my take on things with respect to that. You know to provide another perspective on things.
As for talking about things I don't understand? Are you seriously suggesting a player since CE day 1 and 10,000's of games with 50's in H3 ranked objective doesn't understand the game? Please.
They share the same problem, really. Both are ensembles that never take the time to flesh out 3/4ths of their cast. Why does Mickey exist, or the dude that Adam Baldwin played? Why does Jun exist? They have strong high points, with Kat/Jorge and Buck/Dare, but the rest just feels like total fluff.
Yes that's what I'm saying, you don't understand competitive play for Halo.
Pretty much agree with Cyren on this one.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
I suppose you understand default objective better than I do because you "get" competitive play. Be a little more elitist would you.
MrGreencastle
Member
Dead accurate. It's all pretty gloomy and tragic at this point in the story. I'm excited to see where the rest of the Halo 4 story texts go. That is, the end of Spartan Ops, Silentium and perhaps something for 2013/14.
User 73706
Banned
You should PM a few more mods so things don't get out of hand.
Has MLG ever experimented with using the Mongoose?
Poker Face
Member
You asked why MLG didn't use waterworks tho
"Are you seriously suggesting a player since day CE 1 and 10,000's of games with 50's in H3 ranked objective doesn't understand the game?"
All I can think of is this
Crimson Kopite
Banned
If you didn't want his answer, then why ask the question?
xxjuicesxx
Member
Stop talking to him, he literally asked why MLG doesnt have Zanzibar in it...he doesnt understand competitive gameplay.
You cant have people walking from beach over to the base every respawn on mainstage or fans will start throwing suddoths at people. You have to realize 80% of the crowd at MLG are high on Adderall.
You cant have people walking from beach over to the base every respawn on mainstage or fans will start throwing suddoths at people. You have to realize 80% of the crowd at MLG are high on Adderall.
ban baiting
Many of those maps are for more than 8 players. I guess you could say that MLG could have done 8v8 tournaments or something, but that probably wouldn't have worked out too well considering the difficulties of getting enough people to the tournament to make 8v8 worth the trouble.
Also, Zanzi 1 flag actually was an MLG gametype at the beginning of H2. It blew (too big for 4v4, problems with ties) and was promptly removed. HH CTF (there was no 1flag in CE) was played with 2 rounds, but it suffered from many of the problems that 4v4 CE suffers from in general (object overload, host advantage, bad spawns, etc.).
Moa
Member
So kyle, have you ever sat down with a hotchick and done a speedrun?
Actually though, that usually is the case. In order to rule out what isn't fit for the top tier competitive play, you have to look at factors that negatively or randomly effect the outcomes of games. You have to look at things that can be exploited, things that can be random, and things that can be unbalanced or unfair.
So yes, he does understand default objective better because he "gets" competitive play, but the converse of that statement is also true. He gets competitive play because he understands default objective.
He chose to actually analytically study and discover what default objective game modes are fit for competitive play.
It's not being elitist, it's being educated.
Hydranockz
Member
Yeah. I don't think I can add to this; I agree 100%.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the Didact the one who didn't believe the rumours about the Flood? He saw the humans as aggressive and seemingly hostile for no real reason.
It wasn't until later on that he started 'believing'. (I've got to read the books again before the final one comes out in March... It's been a while)
Oh yeah, totally. They could've been sooo much better. I see what Bungie were trying to do, it just really didn't work.
Moa
Member
Hydranockz
Member
MrGreencastle
Member
That's not what I got from his posts. From what I read I understood that he takes issue with people wanting MLG to be the default across the board gametype in matchmaking. And then he went on to explain that MLG doesn't have the all the slices of the Halo pie, so therefore having it be the default would be boring or not as fun to him, much as the way it is set up now is boring and frustrating to competitive fans. The variety isn't there. Sure there's variety for their new Halo 4 fringey gametypes, but there's non classic, no competitive. There needs to be both, not one or the other.
The Librarian
Banned
Eh. All you're doing is stating your opinion on a game to support a statement that's not true. None of it backs up the part I quoted.
I'd like to see this analysis
Well unfortunately it comes down to gameplay experience and a select few that do look at the random factors like spawns and how they are affected by objective location. So it's somewhat undocumented, but generally agreed upon.
Hydranockz
Member
So are you saying Cyren actually studied or rather that he just agrees with the consensus?
I'm saying he's been playing the game in the competitive circles long enough to have gone through all of MLG's various gametype testing to know what works and what doesn't and why.
Hydranockz
Member
I would. Game needs a focus.
NullPointer
Member
You could always make a Speedrun & Hot Chick thread if the Halo talk here is too much for ya.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
Well said.
i already did
Hydranockz
Member
Ah ok. Was hoping there'd be numbers ran or something.
xxjuicesxx
Member
Fast Video Games Fast Women OT1
I would post in that thread.
I would post in that thread.
User 73706
Banned
Can we add MLG Waterworks to the rotation? A few notable changes:
Player trait zones added in all corners give you double damage and active Camo. BUT BUT BUT there's no shields so its not op
Banshees replaced with Scorpions
All stalagmites contain ordnance drops with "dynamic" weapons (binary rifles) that will basically bend over in front of you and let you pick them up if you can shoot one down
Rockets are replaced with the Quake Flak Cannon
Halo CE pistols are added but always overheat on the third shot
There are 27 Jetpacks available to pick up on the map; 28th was considered but ultimately scrapped for balance reasons
You can find a Halo 2-era Gauss Warthog in each base locked in for use of stratistgic defense
Central area and all corridors walled off to prevent camping
A lone Flamethrower can be found in the water pit
Mancannons added to emulate tactical superbouncing
I'm running MLG Bozeman this year so if you guys have any questions about other map rotations feel free to ask
Player trait zones added in all corners give you double damage and active Camo. BUT BUT BUT there's no shields so its not op
Banshees replaced with Scorpions
All stalagmites contain ordnance drops with "dynamic" weapons (binary rifles) that will basically bend over in front of you and let you pick them up if you can shoot one down
Rockets are replaced with the Quake Flak Cannon
Halo CE pistols are added but always overheat on the third shot
There are 27 Jetpacks available to pick up on the map; 28th was considered but ultimately scrapped for balance reasons
You can find a Halo 2-era Gauss Warthog in each base locked in for use of stratistgic defense
Central area and all corridors walled off to prevent camping
A lone Flamethrower can be found in the water pit
Mancannons added to emulate tactical superbouncing
I'm running MLG Bozeman this year so if you guys have any questions about other map rotations feel free to ask