Keru_Shiri
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I'll probably be working at our comic book store's event, but if I got to play it'd be Gruul baby. I might try to pick up a Gruul prerelease pack anyway.
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I'll probably be working at our comic book store's event, but if I got to play it'd be Gruul baby. I might try to pick up a Gruul prerelease pack anyway.
Boros has the clear +EV in the extra pack.
JetBlackPanda
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Not that I care about +EV since I am just in it for fun but what makes you say this? I must be missing something.
edit: Boros gets an extra pack?!? or the cards that come in the guild pack are worth more maybe?
sorry I am still pretty new.
CorruptShadow
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I'm going Dimir, but, I'm also considering ordering a kit of Orzhov...Boros seems to have the best cards though.
Edit: @jetblackpanda The "extra pack" is the guild specific pack, which is in each guilds' kit.
From wizards.com
"For the Gatecrash Prerelease, you'll choose from five Guild Prerelease Packs. The options (while supplies last) are Orzhov, Dimir, Gruul, Boros, and Simic. Each Guild Prerelease Pack contains five Gatecrash booster packs, a guild-specific booster pack, a special alternate-art prerelease card unique to each guild, an achievement card, a Spindown life counter, a guild symbol sticker, and a letter from the guild's leader."
Orhzov, because I think Extort is an awesome limited mechanic. I'd pick Boros if this was a PTQ or something, but I hate playing ultra aggressive decks in limited.
Keru_Shiri
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Would Realmwright trump Blood Moon?
The Technomancer
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Realmwright says "in addition to"
I think it'd be an issue of timestamps since they'd both be continuous effects. So if Blood Moon came in first, nonbasics are all mountains and then Realmwright turns them in to Mountain *Chosen Types*.
If it is the other way, Realmwright turns everything into the chosen type + original type and then Blood Moon overwrites it on the nonbasics into just Mountain.
*not a judge*
Oops, looked up the article on layers. My brain!
I decided on Boros for Gatecrash back when Avacyn was new. Red-White's probably my favorite color pair.
It's a timestamp issue. Basically, whichever came down last would trump the other.
JetBlackPanda
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thanks man!
It fits with the blue "changing and morphing" stuff theme they seem to be pushing with Simic. I'd probably rather see it as a one drop hybrid Blue/Green. (That's another cycle from RTR I'm sad they didn't continue.)
Keru_Shiri
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Thanks, guys! That seems like a pretty solid sideboard card, given how aggressively costed it is.
Blue has always gotten land morphing, all the way back to Phantasmal Terrain.
Spreading Seas, Grixis Illusionist, Lingering Mirage, Sea's Claim, etc.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Ooh yeah, I hadn't thought about Blood Moon coming in second
Mono blue hasn't been able to change lands into non-islands since, what, Invasion?
EDIT: Right, grixis illusionist. Still feels like a green mechanic.
There was also one that did it in Lorwyn, just 5 sets before
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&color=+&text=+[target]+[land]+[choice]+[basic]
Keru_Shiri
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Blue can change lands, but mana-fixing like this is usually green. I'm just glad that its stapled to a 1/1.
It's an ability that both green and blue seem to share. Green's just better at it. See: Prismatic Omen, Joiner Adept, Abundant Growth, etc.
brainzelda
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What's the deal with the 1 hybrid mana creatures for each guild? Were they gonna finish that cycle in Gatecrash? They already have boros elite and experiment 1 as the 1 drops for boros and simic but they're not hybrid.
Even if they do continue it, I'm having a tough time imagining what orzhovs would be. A 1/2 with extort? Seems sorta boring (although boring sorta fits with how this set is going so far :| ).
Even if they do continue it, I'm having a tough time imagining what orzhovs would be. A 1/2 with extort? Seems sorta boring (although boring sorta fits with how this set is going so far :| ).
The lack of consistency between RTR and Gatecrash is maddening. Especially when everything they're doing in GC is so much less interesting then what RTR laid down.
WanderingWind
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For real. I loved the 1 drop hybrids. Dryad Militant is going to be awesome when people start figuring it out, dammit.
They aren't doing the can't be countered cycle either and all those cards are at the very least playable. Doesn't seem to be anything like that here.
People complained about all the playable rares in RTR, this is like the opposite lol
Owlowiscious
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my only hope is that dragon's maze will have all the missing cycles
Sure, they're the prize at the center of Niv's labyrinth.
Yeah, I was talking to a manager at my LGS and pretty much came to the conclusion that the competitively powerful cards seem to be moreso in RTR than GC. Uncounterable cycle is so much better than a cycle of brokeass titans.
lol
Who on earth complained about that?!?!?
Until recently, I didn't realize how much ego/personality played in set design/development.
People in this thread complained everything cost too much.
That's not a complaint about the playable rares though. The mass tonnage of playable rare/mythics in RTR cratered the price of the playable cards in the set over time. (A good thing.)
divisionbyzorro
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It's funny that the Gatecrash team was able to force the Charm cycle into Return to Ravnica, but the reverse didn't happen with the uncounterable cycle...
And the RTR charms ended up better.....
It's because Mark Rosewater kind of strongarmed the lead of Gatecrash by saying RTR was going to have charms in it and then the lead responded "Well we're not going." and Mark was like "yeah do what you want but we're doing charms" and kind of peer pressured / guilt-tripped him into doing a cycle.
Really wish there was an uncounterable or similarly tournament-viable cycle in GTC.
Even a hybrid one drop cycle. I'd love for Boros to get something that's as powerful as Deathrite Shaman.
divisionbyzorro
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Yeah, the hybrid uncommon cycle was kinda cool, but I don't really miss it that much.
The uncounterable cycle was pretty sweet though. Aside from Abrupt Decay, which was probably a little too strong, I think they did good things for the game.
The uncounterable cycle was pretty sweet though. Aside from Abrupt Decay, which was probably a little too strong, I think they did good things for the game.
Blowing up Delver decks in all formats was definitely a huge net positive.
divisionbyzorro
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I believe we get the entire set spoiler on Monday?
Yeah, I know he wasn't part of the uncommon cycle but Cackler and Militant are strong as well. Does GTC even have a rare cycle of hybrid creatures?
Why would you say he's not healthy for the game exactly? I mean I kind of agree that the black ability kind of pushes it over the top, being a swiss army knife BoP/Grim Lavamancer limited to the dome/2-life is ridiculously good but I don't think it's as bad as Delver or Geist were.
All the Simic cards make me want to construct some Bant monstrosity that plays Gavony Townships and Blessings of Natures and Travel Preparations and all the stuff that likes +1/+1s. And your win condition is Champion of Lambholt attacking along with Wild Beastmaster or something equally dorky.
divisionbyzorro
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Sweet limited beater.
Sweet limited beater.
Bleh. If the first ability was only a red (and only did +1/+0) and the second ability was only a white this could be constructed worthy.
Look at what he did to Modern/Legacy straight away?
Every deck that can run him does run him.
And w/e- Boros do NOT need more constructed level cards.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I believe we get the entire set spoiler on Monday?
Updated version of Cytoplast Manipulator, huh? I like it, I think. On the one hand, its much harder to sieze control of stuff with. On the other hand, they don't get their stuff back if they blow it up.
I don't know what to say man, I agree he's exceptionally good but I don't think he qualifies as broken, especially with the shenanigans that happen in Legacy. I don't play Modern and don't pay attention to it much, but Jund was already super popular to begin with.
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Transhuman
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This guy feels like he was initially meant to have evolve.
If Biomancer had evolve and you played a second Biomancer, they'd be a a 3/5, a 4/6, and the next creature would come into play with 7 +1/+1 counters, trigger evolve on both of them again...
Too crazy.
Oh, you definitely need to play him in Modern to see it. He's nightmarish because he sped up Jund by an entire turn (and turned it into a Legacy-caliber deck.) Every non-affinity aggro/midrange deck was essentially pushed out of the format. They only show up now in large #s at the PTQ level since Jund is unaffordable for most.
(I expect a DRS ban in the format.)
Okay, I can understand and acknowledge that. With Modern being a completely different beast than Legacy, accelerating Liliana of the Veil on turn two or Bloodbraid Elf on turn three does seem unfair relative to what other decks are capable of while still offering late game reach with the black ability.
I guess I wouldn't be surprised if DRS was banned in Modern as well. If Wild Nacatl was oppressive then DRS surely is.
I wonder if they will start unbanning some control cards with the GTC update.
divisionbyzorro
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I bought a set of Ancestral Visions a couple of months ago just in case. They were half a ticket each so I figured I might as well.
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