But the plan still is no plan. The no negates the plan even though that is by design still a plan
It's been over a year. Will the 3DS Ambassador games ever be for sale on the eShop?
- Thread starter Macho Madness
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My fear is all GBA/SNES games will be available next DS and not this one;(
Shin Johnpv
Member
Well considering it's been a year and they haven't shown up, I'd say it means something.
RPGCrazied
Member
I don't understand this, specially the people with the 3DS and have no GBA slot. What are they waiting for? I'd buy several games right now if I could, mostly Metroid Fusion and Minish Cap. Probably Fire Emblem too, wow didn't see that one.
IrishNinja
Member
but they're barely even trickling out the GB ones at this rate...few NES ones too, granted, but i don't recall VC being this slow last gen.
Senator Soufflé;45976822 said:
i've kinda made peace with this possibility, found a GC component cable & GBA player for said system. at least it looks like they'll have another go at the VC for tablet use with SNES stuff, that i might go in on.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
I think we'll see GBA announced for 3DS VC when Wii U's VC starts rolling out (featuring GC).
I just hope SNES and VB are also announced.
I just hope SNES and VB are also announced.
UncleSporky
Member
Because they essentially said this is a cool bonus for early adopters and they want to encourage early adoption next time by making people hope that they'll get free stuff for it too.
If they always make everything available to everyone, there's no sense of urgency, no "ooh I would like to have that, and knowing Nintendo, when they say it's limited, it's limited."
Another example is that limited edition Zelda 3DS design. Why don't they just make it one of the common designs you can still buy? Because next time they do something like this, they want it to sell out due to its limited nature.
IrishNinja
Member
i think that depends on the title. i'dve bought Metroid 2 at any point; if all the GBA games id ever want dropped tomorrow, id still be hyped for the oracle games, MGS ghost babel (haha) etc
The Hermit
Member
I discorvered this franchise trough this game... Otherwise I would never play Fire Emblem.
Still, After the 3ds i'll never buy a system at launch. Looking at the WiiU sales, I wouldn't be surprised at a price drop early 2013.
UncleSporky
Member
However, after the 3DS, will you buy another system if they roll out an Ambassador program as good as this one?
Surely they're not this inept, are they?
The GBA emulation needs some polishing up, if that's possible. They run well enough to play for sure, and look great in their native resolution. But the emulation just doesn't seem up to VC standards, and i wouldn't be surprised if that's why they're holding back. There's no real sleep mode for the GBA titles too when you close your 3DS, just the old manual sleep mode.
Just get a GBmicro, you will not regret it. But it's still really cool having all those games on the 3DS.
Just get a GBmicro, you will not regret it. But it's still really cool having all those games on the 3DS.
UncleSporky
Member
Companies release things for a limited time. It's a good way to drive sales.
Is McDonalds inept for selling the McRib only once every couple of years? What about Disney for having a vault?
The actual quotation from the Nintendo UK site (http://www.nintendo.co.uk/News/2011/Nintendo-3DS-Ambassador-programme-253337.html)
"2. By the end of 2011, Nintendo will provide Ambassadors with 10 Game Boy Advance Virtual Console games. These include games like Yoshis Island: Super Mario Advance 3, Mario Kart: Super Circuit, Metroid Fusion, WarioWare, Inc.: Minigame Mania and Mario vs. Donkey Kong. These games will be available exclusively to Ambassadors, and Nintendo currently has no plans to make these 10 games available to the general public on Nintendo 3DS in the future."
I was arguing semantics earlier where I believed Nintendo stated they have no plans (which means exactly that, no plans). Since the actual quote says 'currently has no plans' then the emphasis should be on the currently, so potentially they may release them without going back on their word.
"2. By the end of 2011, Nintendo will provide Ambassadors with 10 Game Boy Advance Virtual Console games. These include games like Yoshis Island: Super Mario Advance 3, Mario Kart: Super Circuit, Metroid Fusion, WarioWare, Inc.: Minigame Mania and Mario vs. Donkey Kong. These games will be available exclusively to Ambassadors, and Nintendo currently has no plans to make these 10 games available to the general public on Nintendo 3DS in the future."
I was arguing semantics earlier where I believed Nintendo stated they have no plans (which means exactly that, no plans). Since the actual quote says 'currently has no plans' then the emphasis should be on the currently, so potentially they may release them without going back on their word.
Diddy Kong
Banned
I sure hope they put em on the VC. I'm an ambassador myself, but I see no reason to keep them exclusive. Getting them for free was more than enough and I'd love to buy other GBA games as well. Do it Nintendo!
Macho Madness
Member
Yeah, those companies eventually release SOMETHING though. I'll keep belly aching about this until it happens.
Fox Mulder
Member
it's amazing how Nintendo isn't taking more advantage of their industry best back catalog. So many classics from the NES to now and they barely do anything with it. Even if they pull a Disney vault thing and have them for a limited time on the VC, that's still better than nothing.
Reluctant-Hero
Member
As others have stated, the GBA ambassador games aren't optimized for the 3DS virtual console. I'm sure Nintendo will sell VC GBA games some day. But it's going to be a long wait.
Do The Mario
Unconfirmed Member
I think that's right. I would add that I think that the slow place of release is also to create some space for new eShop games to sell well in.
jamesinclair
Banned
Ive been playing a whole lot of Minish Cap this month....
Didnt Nintendo promise the games would be updated with features like sleep and the background step counting etc?
Minish Cap has GBA sleep, so thats good, but would like streetapss to work as well.
Didnt Nintendo promise the games would be updated with features like sleep and the background step counting etc?
Minish Cap has GBA sleep, so thats good, but would like streetapss to work as well.
friskykillface
Banned
I'm gonna say they are waiting til E3 to put some gba games on the vc
But that's such a long time, oh nintendo
I want to play metroid fusion on my 3DS XL
But that's such a long time, oh nintendo
I want to play metroid fusion on my 3DS XLThey only made that promise of the NES games; they never said they'd update the GBA games, and it's debatable that they'd be able to even if they wanted to.,
Coldnoodle
Member
This might be the thing that Rich from IGN was talking about.
WiiRevolution1
Member
When Mario All Stars for Wii first came out, they said it was a limited edition and I ignored it since I wanted to spend money on other things. Fast forward a month and can't find it anywhere. Sure, it was a rare (and for me lucky) instance where they did reprint it, but if Nintendo says something is limited, or will never come out unless your an ambassador, then they mean it.
I am fully convinced that those 10 GBA games will never come out on the 3DS. Nintendo would probably release them on their next generation handheld, but that will be far away. When Nintendo says there is only one way to get spmething, you better believe that they fucking mean it because they do.
If theres one thing I've learned over the past couple years, is that Nintendo's serious when they say something will be limited and only one way to get it.
They will never launch those GBA games on the 3DS.
They will never launch the Donkey Kong game with the fourth level on the 3DS.
That Club Nintendo Kirby Medal will never be reprinted or be printed in other regions.
Any Club Nintendo item thats not available and not in the "Currently Out of Stock" (or whatever its called.) section is gone for good.
Any Club Nintendo Platinum Gift will never be available again. (Atleast in the same country.)
Nintendo will never rerelease the Zelda 3DS or upcoming Fire Emblem 3DS.
This is how the company operates. Of course, I could be wrong and they might do one of the things that I said they wouldn't. But think about it. Wouldn't it be free money to offer already made GBA VC games? What about the Punch-Out WiiWare title? They never have offered it and it seems as if they never will.
I am fully convinced that those 10 GBA games will never come out on the 3DS. Nintendo would probably release them on their next generation handheld, but that will be far away. When Nintendo says there is only one way to get spmething, you better believe that they fucking mean it because they do.
If theres one thing I've learned over the past couple years, is that Nintendo's serious when they say something will be limited and only one way to get it.
They will never launch those GBA games on the 3DS.
They will never launch the Donkey Kong game with the fourth level on the 3DS.
That Club Nintendo Kirby Medal will never be reprinted or be printed in other regions.
Any Club Nintendo item thats not available and not in the "Currently Out of Stock" (or whatever its called.) section is gone for good.
Any Club Nintendo Platinum Gift will never be available again. (Atleast in the same country.)
Nintendo will never rerelease the Zelda 3DS or upcoming Fire Emblem 3DS.
This is how the company operates. Of course, I could be wrong and they might do one of the things that I said they wouldn't. But think about it. Wouldn't it be free money to offer already made GBA VC games? What about the Punch-Out WiiWare title? They never have offered it and it seems as if they never will.
I like how there's always people who think that anything that doesn't make them happy is the result of ineptitude.
Astral/H3X
Member
I'm fairly certain that it isn't actually emulated, which is likely the "issue".
Something like save states is stupidly easy to implement in an emulator, it's so easy, even Nintendo does it, and they don't do things like filters and other such niceties associated with emulation. No, quite likely, if you remember the DS had perfect GBA compatibility -- which insinuates that the processor was ISA compatible with the GBA's. Fast forward to the 3DS, which is ISA compatible with the DS, and suddenly that in turn means compatibility with the GBA. In short, the games aren't being emulated -- they are being run natively. Which means that most of the fancy doo dahs with emulation -- speed ups, restore points, and the like, aren't game. You can't add features to native code, which is why native res mode has no GBA background thingy, there are no savestates, no sleep mode (GBA games didn't have it on DS either, if you recall), and the bottom screen literally just has a HEY GUYS THIS DOESN'T DO ALL THAT FANCY SHIT screen.
It's entirely likely that the bottom screen itself is being run on either another thread, or somehow the GPU is being ganked into doing it. If all it does is run "Warning screen" message and home button functionality (which would just be triggering soft reset on the system), then this entirely makes sense. There is no "Virtual" Console, only a "Virtual" cartridge.
So I don't think it's that their emulator is up to stuff, I think it's that natively running the code and losing the goodies for compatibility is something Nintendo thinks would confuse the average user. They probably assume that most Ambassadors loved the GBA enough to take that hit, but if people were to explicitly spend money on it and not have those features, Nintendo would be stuck explaining this stuff to them.
TL;DR -- GBA games aren't emulated, they are run natively, so they CAN'T improve the emulator. It doesn't exist.
EDIT: This also partially explains why they took so long getting them out (till December!). They were probably TRYING to make a full speed, zero errors GBA emulator that could be run on the 3DS, but when it failed resorted to just virtual cart'ing the games and sending them out that way. I do remember reading something along the lines of them having some troubles working the emulator, and Nintendo likes their emulators to run games PERFECTLY, not mostly good.
RelentlessRolento
Member
Still pissed about this
DarkoMaledictus
Tier Whore
Guess its emulator then... lame Big N!
This probably wouldn't be so bad if, you know, Nintendo released Gameboy games on the virtual console.
Since October 26, 2012, North American Virtual Console releases have been:
Kirby's Star Stacker (GB) on January 17 2013 (lol this came out today? wtf?)
Wario Land II (GBC) on December 20 2012
AND THAT'S IT
Since October 26, 2012, North American Virtual Console releases have been:
Kirby's Star Stacker (GB) on January 17 2013 (lol this came out today? wtf?)
Wario Land II (GBC) on December 20 2012
AND THAT'S IT
god dang Nintendo is killing it on the digital front. What a performance by the Mario house!
jamesinclair
Banned
Its been a year though. A high school intern paid with pokemon cards could have coded something better by now.
the same intern could have coded a VC emulator to run VC games on Wii U with all features enabled and gamepad support.
this is Nintendo dawg.
1. No because the McRib is awful and Americans would die if it were always for sale.
2. It's not like the Disney "vault" is ever really closed.
Yeah, if we kept getting GB games I wouldn't care, but if this they're trying a different strategy from the Wii VC it's looking to be a miserable failure thus far: give it up and start releasing the GBA games while picking clean the GB/GBC library you and anyone else wants to and can put up.
oh wow.
The Nintendo 3DS Card Case was gone from the "Currently Out of Stock" section before it came back the last time.
Astral/H3X
Member
Ive heard a figure that in order to emulate a sytem, you have to be approximately 5x as powerful in all respects. To put this in perspective, my homebrew GBA emulator on Wii cant play GBA games, at full speed, no dropped frames, and no errors, and thats after its been out a while. Not to mention, doesnt the 3ds have a (possibly, I know we dont have exact numbers) slightly weaker processor than the Wii? To Nintendo, that just isnt good enough, it has to be perfect. Just because "some intern" could make an "okay" emulator does not mean that said intern could make a PERFECT emulator. Our current PC emulators arent good enough, as far as Nintendo is concerned, because they drop frames, have audio quality issues, and sometimes just plain emulate wrong. Getting all this to work on a system with less grunt than a system that couldnt acceptably run the same system's emulator? Hahahahahahaha. Yeah. Thats like expecting your Dell laptop to run Dolphin faster and better than your custom gaming rig; aint gonna happen.
Hobbyist "hey it works!" standards are not Nintendo's standards.
Hobbyist "hey it works!" standards are not Nintendo's standards.
What a terrible decision. They just made it a little bit easier to ignore the 3DS until the region lock is cracked I guess.
DimmuBurgerKing
Member
My Ambassador games are the only things keeping me from selling my OG 3DS in favor of an XL. If I could just purchase Metroid Fusion, Fire Emblem, and Minish Cap I would do it.
You can transfer them from one to the other, so if you wanted you could sell it after the fact.
MisterHero
Super Member
Screw the GBA library don't do this
Where's the Virtual Boy library?!
Where's the Virtual Boy library?!
Well even though NOE seems to contradict you, at least the Japanese side definitely agrees with you:
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/3ds/ambassador/index.html
About the 10 free GBA titles the page states in red text:
"These titles are planned to be exclusively distributed to participants of the Ambassador Program and there will be no plans for sale of these titles as 3DS software even in the future."
"将来も/even in the future" is very clear, as is "to be distributed only to participants of the Ambassador Program/アンバサダー・プログラム参加者のお客様のみへの配信.