2004 - 2005 Is The BEST TWO-YEAR Span for First Person Shooters, EVER

BennyBlanco said:
You're tripping. Doom popularized the FPS more than anything else.
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Doom popularized it amongst nerds who played on PC.

Halo popularized it amongst the general public.

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Nothing wrong with being a nerd by the way.

Dudebros started to exist AFTER Halo, not befoe it.
 
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Instant_Classic said:
N64 controls and framrates were unacceptable for FPS, so anything you listed there is already basically void.

I had a N64, and played plenty of games on it so this isn't me talking out of my ass.

2004- 2005 had your favorite games listed, and basically modernized, regardless if it was on PC or Consoles.

Halo CE revolutionized console FPS by standardizing dual stick aiming, FPS on consoles were a joke (to PC players) until this point.
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We all have our own opinion. If I want to play a FPS with a controller I have to go back to N64. Playing FPS with a dual stick controller is 110% worthless to me. Of course I usually just use a mouse, in rolls Switch 2.
 
Parazels said:
The "golden age" of FPS started on PS4/Xbox One, when we finally got high resolution and frame rate.

Before that only several shooter games were playable. I still wait for Half Life 2 remaster.
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Plenty of people (me included) have been playing FPS in high resolutions and at high frame rates, a decade before PS4/Xbox One.

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Parazels said:
The "golden age" of FPS started on PS4/Xbox One, when we finally got high resolution and frame rate.

Before that only several shooter games were playable. I still wait for Half Life 2 remaster.
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Dude I was playing Halo 1 online on PC before Halo 2 came out. Probably at a better resolution and FPS than many PS4/Xbox One titles. I know you like to pretend PC doesn't exist because it has a calculator app, but, it does.
 
Parazels said:
Yes, some games like Quake 3 on PS2 or Metroid Prime on GC ran at 60 fps. But overall FPSs were rough as hell before PS4/Xbox One.
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This is insanely false, plenty of FPS games ran between 30 - 60 FPS in 6th and 7th gen on consoles.

If you had a PC that was capable, well you already were playing games at 1080P back in 05 - 06, depending on your display.
 
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BlackTron said:
Dude I was playing Halo 1 online on PC before Halo 2 came out. Probably at a better resolution and FPS than many PS4/Xbox One titles. I know you like to pretend PC doesn't exist because it has a calculator app, but, it does.
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Yeah, I'm not sure what the guy is trying to say.

It's completely incorrect.
 
Parazels said:
The "golden age" of FPS started on PS4/Xbox One, when we finally got high resolution and frame rate.

Before that only several shooter games were playable. I still wait for Half Life 2 remaster.
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Fuck that. Both those systems were dominated by CoD.
 
Instant_Classic said:
Doom popularized it amongst nerds who played on PC.

Halo popularized it amongst the general public.

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Nothing wrong with being a nerd by the way.

Dudebros started exist AFTER Halo, not befoe it.
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According to google the sales figures aren't even that far apart for Doom and Halo CE. Halo had a massive marketing budget and was the only Xbox game. Doom was a small handful of sweaty nerds self publishing and shipping out CDs. I actually quite like Halo CE but it wasn't nearly as influential as Doom.
 
BennyBlanco said:
According to google the sales figures aren't even that far apart for Doom and Halo CE. Halo had a massive marketing budget and was the only Xbox game. Doom was a small handful of sweaty nerds self publishing and shipping out CDs. I actually quite like Halo CE but it wasn't nearly as influential as Doom.
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What were the sales figures between Doom 2 and Halo 2?

I think that would give us a better idea on which was more influential.
 
Instant_Classic said:
If you play FPS game before CoD 4 exploded, a lot of them had unique elements.

After CoD 4 happened, a lot of FPS games became homogenized since companies were trying to chse trends during that 7th gen era.
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Yeah the "military shooter" years kinda sucked. I really enjoyed MOH: Allied Assault and the first few CODs, but after those it all started to become way too homogeneous. Hell even DOOM 4 could have been a miliraty shooter lol.

Thank god for the boomer shooter renaissance.
 
Instant_Classic said:
If you play FPS game before CoD 4 exploded, a lot of them had unique elements.

After CoD 4 happened, a lot of FPS games became homogenized since companies were trying to chse trends during that 7th gen era.
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I played CoD 3 last year and found it too simplistic. You can't even jump over low barriers, it felt ridiculous. Just walk and run.
 
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The 3-4 year period which saw Halo 3, Modern Warfare 2 and Battlefield 3 launch is the greatest period in the genre full stop.

Each FPS at their absolute peak.


Bungie, Infinity Ward and DICE at the height of their powers.
 
Instant_Classic said:
If you play FPS game before CoD 4 exploded, a lot of them had unique elements.

After CoD 4 happened, a lot of FPS games became homogenized since companies were trying to chse trends during that 7th gen era.
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So, as the thread suggests, narrow it down to two years, and let's compare two year stretches. I want to see a two year stretch that hangs with the one the OP mentioned and 97/98.
 
Instant_Classic said:
I think that would give us a better idea on which was more influential.
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More than sales, please also consider that DOOM basically gave us internet deathmatch (although kinda cumbersome) and Quake perfected it.

If that isn't influential, nothing is.
 
Instant_Classic said:
Goldenye and Perfect Dark are important, but to say they are as important as this...

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is comical.

Halo literally popularized FPS among the general public more than any otther game.

Quake, UT, CS 1.6, GoldenEye, Perfect Dark were all big deals to people who already gamed.

Halo CE had more of an impact than all those games combined.

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No game in 97-98 was capable of generating the level of hype that Halo 2 did, in 2004.
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i think You should say in FPS genre maybe, because Zelda, Mario, Final Fantasy and metal gear also exist in before Halo 2
 
R3TRO said:
I should try Half life 2 one day.
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If you have a VR headset, I can't recommend the HL2 community VR mod enough.

I think playing it that way as a first experience of HL2 would recreate the feeling of what it was like to play it on flat-screen in 2004.

I've played through HL2 maybe 10 times, and doing it in VR this last time around was next-level immersive, and made it clear to me again just how ahead of the curve Valve was and in some ways still is.
 
TintoConCasera said:
More than sales, please also consider that DOOM basically gave us internet deathmatch (although kinda cumbersome) and Quake perfected it.

If that isn't influential, nothing is.
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I'm not arguing that Doom was influential in terms of birthing a genre.

Halo was more influential in spreading the genre to the masses, in a more refined and evolved way than Doom.

Doom is no doubt, one of the most important games ever though.
 
TintoConCasera said:
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Might just be the best VR game out there lol, or at least easy top 5.
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Agreed. For me, Top 3 are:

Walking Dead Saints and Sinners
Half-Life Alyx
Half-Life 2

2's gameplay is more meaty and varied than Alyx's, but the AAA production value and polish of Alyx means it edges out 2 for me
 
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Grildon Tundy said:
Agreed. For me, Top 3 are:

Walking Dead Saints and Sinners
Half-Life Alyx
Half-Life 2
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I own that WD game but still have to play it! If you say it's that cool then I must play it soon.

Grildon Tundy said:
2's gameplay is more meaty and varied than Alyx's, but the AAA production value and polish of Alyx means it edges out 2 for me
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Yeah, very true. Alyx was amazing and used the VR features quite well. I've been meaning ton give it a replay but all those rumors about a new VR set from Valve are telling me to wait lol.
 
TintoConCasera said:
I own that WD game but still have to play it! If you say it's that cool then I must play it soon.


Yeah, very true. Alyx was amazing and used the VR features quite well. I've been meaning ton give it a replay but all those rumors about a new VR set from Valve are telling me to wait lol.
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The Walking Dead's appeal for me is the gameplay loop (20-minutes runs to collect resources then back to base to upgrade) and focus on resource management. Every shot and swing counts. It's like if Fallout 3/4 and Resident Evil had a VR baby.
 
Syphon Filter said:
no it wasnt.orange box was a rerelease of a 2004 game so it doesnt count darkness and stalker were mediocre.
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That's really selling Orange Box short.

Half-life 2: Episode Two, Portal and Team Fortress 2 was all brand new content, and those games individually would be worth adding to the list.
 
A fair few misses in that batch for me, but honestly... yeah, thinking about it, a lot of my favorite shooters ever came out in that period. FEAR, Far Cry, Chronicles of Riddick, Unreal Tournament 2k4 - all phenomenal games that are still absolutely excellent today. It was before everything got Calladutified, at which point the genre has just been an endless string of half-assed trend chasing. With the occasional gem like Ion Fury or Bulletstorm.

Yeah, that was a good time.
 
HRK69 said:
Acting like it's the undisputed best ever just feeds into this weird need to rank everything like it's a power list. Context matters. Taste matters. And nostalgia? That clouds the whole damn view. Celebrate the era, sure but spare me the gospel
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Why do you think it's weird? We categorize and rate everything, everywhere, all the time and it's quite normal. We even rate our damn friends, i.e. the term "best friend".
 
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Why do you think it's weird? We categorize and rate everything, everywhere, all the time and it's quite normal. We even rate our damn friends, i.e. the term "best friend".
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Rankings can be fun, but only if we admit they're built on personal perspective

There's a difference between personal favorites and trying to establish some objective 'best ever' like it's fact
 
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