WWE Royal Rumble 2013 |OT| On the road to Twice In A Lifetime™

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SoulPlaya said:
He had a goatee when he returned. He should have kept it, and used this as an excuse to grow a full beard.

Great idea, btw.
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Thanks. I was thinking we should call it Facial Feuding but it sounded pornographic.

Just checked and Dolph has until July to cash in his MITB contract. Feels like he has had it for more than a year already. Doubt he will cash in at the Rumble.

strobogo said:
You know, in regards to Cena, I never thought he was a Hogan style egomaniac. You never really hear guys bitching about him or throwing his weight around to veto angles or jobbing. But he's a guy who clearly has pretty much free reign in his promos and all of them involve him shitting all over his opponent in a meta, non storyline sense that makes them look terrible. All of his loses in the past few years have been like Hogan's loss to Warrior. Gets pinned, immediately gets up and hogs the spot light, and is still the main focus of shows. Hogan was actually on TV way more from WM6-Summerslam than he was before and a solid 80% more than Warrior was. Everything after WM6 wasn't about how Warrior was the new champion, but about how/if/when Hogan could recover and come back. Warrior's win was inconsequential. It could have been anyone. It was all about Hogan losing instead of someone beating Hogan.

That's what happens every time Cena loses. Ziggler could pin Cena clean 3 times in a row and the story would be "what's next for John Cena" not "what's next for Dolph Ziggler".
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I never really saw this before, but you hit the nail on the head. Thinking about it, it was all about Cena after his loss to The Rock... THE ROCK!
 
Don't forget Cena was building up the idea that if he lost to The Rock then everything he did was meaningless. He loses to The Rock and what happens? "No time for self loathing, I gotta go fight Brock Lesnar."
 
strobogo said:
You know, in regards to Cena, I never thought he was a Hogan style egomaniac. You never really hear guys bitching about him or throwing his weight around to veto angles or jobbing. But he's a guy who clearly has pretty much free reign in his promos and all of them involve him shitting all over his opponent in a meta, non storyline sense that makes them look terrible. All of his loses in the past few years have been like Hogan's loss to Warrior. Gets pinned, immediately gets up and hogs the spot light, and is still the main focus of shows. Hogan was actually on TV way more from WM6-Summerslam than he was before and a solid 80% more than Warrior was. Everything after WM6 wasn't about how Warrior was the new champion, but about how/if/when Hogan could recover and come back. Warrior's win was inconsequential. It could have been anyone. It was all about Hogan losing instead of someone beating Hogan.

That's what happens every time Cena loses. Ziggler could pin Cena clean 3 times in a row and the story would be "what's next for John Cena" not "what's next for Dolph Ziggler".
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My biggest problem with John Cena, and I've said this before, that while he appears to be "helping" other wrestlers backstage, it never translates to giving those guys a rub in the ring. For instance, he was supposedly helping Trent Baretta out alot early last year. Subsequently, we didn't see Trent for months and months and in the end he wrestled maybe four matches and got sacked. You can't tell me John Cena doesn't have the ear of Vince, if he was really high on a guy, surely he could get him on TV?

Same goes for last year, apparently he lobbied to not lose a single match for a quarter year to build up to his loss to the Rock and got his wish. Luckily Kane survived jobbing to Cena, thanks to program with Punk/Bryan/AJ and Hell No! I would've hated for Kane to have to go out on an all-time low thanks to Cena.

As you mentioned, he completely buries everyone in promos. Do I even need to mention his "did you see how big Cesaro's nipples are" when he was off TV for one week and returned. Here's the hottest new guy in the company, obviously on the rise to the top and the first thing Cena does is bury him in a promo, it wasn't funny, it wasn't needed for Cesaro to get more "heat" as a heel.

And finally, it's the complete inability of Cena to sell for his opponents. I'm not even talking about winning/losing here, but Cena has the tendency to completely bury other wrestlers offense by constantly pretending their moves don't hurt him for one second. Just look at the two Ziggler matches on Raw. In both of those he ate a ton of finishers, offense by Big E and a slap by AJ... Hell, he got hit in the "head" by the steel cage door of doom and still kicked out. Got up, hit his AA, got the pin and celebrated as if nothing had happened. I can't stress enough how that completely buries your opponent. You're supposed to be in a fight to death, the other guy sells your offense like a champ and here you go "lol, doesn't hurt me, lol". It made Ziggler look like the weakest guy on the roster, terrible.

If only Cena, just once or twice a year, let a young guy go over clean. Just imagine Cesaro vs. Cena and Cesaro getting a clean win after his Uppercut/Neutralizer moveset. How amazing would that be for Cesaro's career? What if he did that for Seth Rollins or Dean Ambrose? Look at how great those guys looked when they took down Ryback/Bryan/Kane at TLC.

Even the worst "superman" guys in the history like Hogan and Triple H gave rubs to others every now and then. It helps the new guys and doesn't hurt them at all. I just don't get it. The guy has the ability to put over new stars and for some reason he doesn't do it. Ever. And they let him do it, which is the worst part.
 
The amount of Cena trolling was making me sick, but these last few pages of Cena hate give me strength.

Keep on keeping on WrassleGAF. If there's one thing we can all agree on it's how terrible Cena is.
 
Net_Wrecker said:
The amount of Cena trolling was making me sick, but these last few pages of Cena hate give me strength.

Keep on keeping on WrassleGAF. If there's one thing we can all agree on it's how terrible Cena is.
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Can't wait for him to retire. He has made the past few years a pain. He always finds a way to ruin the good things that happen, even if he isn't a part of them. My worst memory of him was an I Quit match against The Miz at OTL. Like 14 minutes of beat down for Cena to be on offence for TWO minutes and have The Miz squealing I QUIT like a pig.
 
Nocturnowl said:
I think it's pretty much guaranteed that when he enters he'll turn to the nearby camera man and say "i'm going to win the rumble!" *smirk* which could be counted as such.
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My brother and I have always joked that he always says something like "look at all these people" (in a john cena yelling tone) and points to the crowd. He's just the worst.
 
So, if The Miz does get the US title and goes on to have another absolute nothing of a reign, how many MORE chances does the guy get? He's been nothing but horrible his entire career, except for maybe a few short months before he won the WWE title, and that one week where he & R Truth turned heel before being demolished repeatedly by Rock & Cena. It just amazes me that they're still pushing him, that he's given a talk show, that he's made the protégée to Flair. Frankly, I don't ever see him becoming the face WWE wants him to be.
 
Striker said:
The way he buries other gimmicks, like for instance Alberto Del Rio's, is one example he has some major ego issues going on. He was also mentioned as wanting NOT to lose any matches from from late 2011 up to his main event match with The Rock at Wrestlemania. It will hurt his value, it will make people think of the match less, whatever. It's bullshit. He is one of the handful of guys who can lose for the next three months non stop and not be impacted at all. Guys like Orton, Punk, Rey, Kane, and the Big Show are the same way. Kane, Rey, and Show notably because they're long time vets and they can still hold a position and make it work no matter his W/L the past year - Jericho was the same. But these guys have been on the top so long they're untouchable in terms of letting other guys make them look weak and losing a spot. They're never going to lose their spot, although Orton is in a twirl because of his suspensions. Other than that, they are locks. Why they haven't pushed more talent to the main event and actually stuck with them is primary reason why they are constantly bringing back older guys for bigger ratings and trying to increase buy-rates. We shouldn't see Triple H and Taker, for instance, time after time, especially if they're going to show up few dates a year and run a match every six to twelve months. They need new stars, and it's their own fault for taking so long to create them.
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I don't mind the old guys coming back but it really pisses me off that they're not putting ANYONE over? Why the fuck are we getting Brock/HHH again? Who is that going to benefit, aside from HHH's ego? Why not put both of those two guys against up-and-comers, like Ziggler and Del Rio? It'd give both of those guys important matches on the card that people would pay attention to and then if they were put over, establish them as top level stars. Is it really that hard?

Chie Satonaka said:
I just want to add how stupid it is to put the word "Team" in front of your tag team name. We already know you're on a team. That's what a tag team is. A FUCKING TEAM.

I'm not sure why this bothers me so much.
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Yep. Just as bad as adding "Pay-Per-View" to the end of all the god damn PPVs. Yeah, no shit, Royal Rumble's a PPV, since when has it not been? They think we're idiots.
 
Bootaaay said:
So, if The Miz does get the US title and goes on to have another absolute nothing of a reign, how many MORE chances does the guy get? He's been nothing but horrible his entire career, except for maybe a few short months before he won the WWE title, and that one week where he & R Truth turned heel before being demolished repeatedly by Rock & Cena. It just amazes me that they're still pushing him, that he's given a talk show, that he's made the protégée to Flair. Frankly, I don't ever see him becoming the face WWE wants him to be.
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He's the most TV friendly guy they have, if that makes any sense. The sort of guy they want to appear on chat shows and promotional interviews.
 
Jamie OD said:
He's the most TV friendly guy they have, if that makes any sense. The sort of guy they want to appear on chat shows and promotional interviews.
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That would be The Rock.

Having Dwayne show up on TV shows with the WWE belt in the run up to WM will be more effective than him showing up to Raw every week.
 
Entropia said:
Looks like The Miz is winning the US title on Sunday :(
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LiquidSolid said:
I don't mind the old guys coming back but it really pisses me off that they're not putting ANYONE over? Why the fuck are we getting Brock/HHH again? Who is that going to benefit, aside from HHH's ego? Why not put both of those two guys against up-and-comers, like Ziggler and Del Rio? It'd give both of those guys important matches on the card that people would pay attention to and then if they were put over, establish them as top level stars. Is it really that hard?
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I wouldn't have minded seeing a short program (ala Foley/Orton) of Rock, Triple H, Taker, or Lesnar with guys who haven't already been elevated to the main event. So basically everybody not named Cena, Orton, and Punk. I'm talking about guys like Sheamus (to a degree), Bryan, Ziggler, Cesaro, Barrett, and Del Rio. A proper program and getting couple matches in with the big payoff being a win at a big PPV is huge for these guys. It was massive for guys like Cena and Orton for having Kurt Angle, Mick Foley, JBL and Shawn Michaels putting them over. These younger guys now need that support but WWE hasn't done jack shit with it.
 
Striker said:
I wouldn't have minded seeing a short program (ala Foley/Orton) of Rock, Triple H, Taker, or Lesnar with guys who haven't already been elevated to the main event. So basically everybody not named Cena, Orton, and Punk. I'm talking about guys like Sheamus (to a degree), Bryan, Ziggler, Cesaro, Barrett, and Del Rio. A proper program and getting couple matches in with the big payoff being a win at a big PPV is huge for these guys. It was massive for guys like Cena and Orton for having Kurt Angle, Mick Foley, JBL and Shawn Michaels putting them over. These younger guys now need that support but WWE hasn't done jack shit with it.
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The only "oldie vs oldie" match I want to see in the next two months is Brock vs Taker. Everything else should be an old wrestler vs an up and comer.
 
McNei1y said:
The only "oldie vs oldie" match I want to see in the next two months is Brock vs Taker. Everything else should be an old wrestler vs an up and comer.
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Ambrose/Foley should be done this summer, notably a SummerSlam match, although they may never step over that line again unfortunately.
 
Aiii said:
My biggest problem with John Cena, and I've said this before, that while he appears to be "helping" other wrestlers backstage, it never translates to giving those guys a rub in the ring. For instance, he was supposedly helping Trent Baretta out alot early last year. Subsequently, we didn't see Trent for months and months and in the end he wrestled maybe four matches and got sacked. You can't tell me John Cena doesn't have the ear of Vince, if he was really high on a guy, surely he could get him on TV?

Same goes for last year, apparently he lobbied to not lose a single match for a quarter year to build up to his loss to the Rock and got his wish. Luckily Kane survived jobbing to Cena, thanks to program with Punk/Bryan/AJ and Hell No! I would've hated for Kane to have to go out on an all-time low thanks to Cena.

As you mentioned, he completely buries everyone in promos. Do I even need to mention his "did you see how big Cesaro's nipples are" when he was off TV for one week and returned. Here's the hottest new guy in the company, obviously on the rise to the top and the first thing Cena does is bury him in a promo, it wasn't funny, it wasn't needed for Cesaro to get more "heat" as a heel.

And finally, it's the complete inability of Cena to sell for his opponents. I'm not even talking about winning/losing here, but Cena has the tendency to completely bury other wrestlers offense by constantly pretending their moves don't hurt him for one second. Just look at the two Ziggler matches on Raw. In both of those he ate a ton of finishers, offense by Big E and a slap by AJ... Hell, he got hit in the "head" by the steel cage door of doom and still kicked out. Got up, hit his AA, got the pin and celebrated as if nothing had happened. I can't stress enough how that completely buries your opponent. You're supposed to be in a fight to death, the other guy sells your offense like a champ and here you go "lol, doesn't hurt me, lol". It made Ziggler look like the weakest guy on the roster, terrible.

If only Cena, just once or twice a year, let a young guy go over clean. Just imagine Cesaro vs. Cena and Cesaro getting a clean win after his Uppercut/Neutralizer moveset. How amazing would that be for Cesaro's career? What if he did that for Seth Rollins or Dean Ambrose? Look at how great those guys looked when they took down Ryback/Bryan/Kane at TLC.

Even the worst "superman" guys in the history like Hogan and Triple H gave rubs to others every now and then. It helps the new guys and doesn't hurt them at all. I just don't get it. The guy has the ability to put over new stars and for some reason he doesn't do it. Ever. And they let him do it, which is the worst part.
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Now I know HHH wields a lot of executive power, but even before that, if he had guys he liked, he would get Vince to push them. Same deal with others like Taker, some guys (some of which didn't work out) have mentioned how Taker did his best to help them and put them over.

CM Punk mentioned he pushes a lot backstage for guys like Antonio Cesaro, Seth Rollins, Kassius Ohno etc, and well, they're all getting pushed (while Ohno is still on NXT, he's one of the most pushed guys). Now the Shield trio are all liked by HHH, and Ambrose has other supporters like William Regal, but I can assume some of these guys were brought to HHH's attention by the likes of Punk.

Cena...nope. You hear of him helping Zack Ryder? That consists of plugging his videos occasionally, and half assing an angle that buries the guy, doing nothing to help him. As you said, Trent Barretta, who was enhancement talent at best, and only appeared on TV during mass brawls, and is now released. Apparently Cena picked out one of their newest NXT guys himself, an All-American amateur wrestling type (though I might be remembering wrong and getting two recent guys confused). Well I'm glad he helped someone get a job at the bottom of the ladder after 8 years on top.

Cena must be second only to Hogan for least helpful top face to people backstage. Where Hogan actively held others down, Cena apparently does absolutely nothing, which in this day and age of Vince being an adult child in his own world, is the same thing.

Striker said:
Ambrose/Foley should be done this summer, notably a SummerSlam match, although they may never step over that line again unfortunately.
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I think Foley said he's done in the ring, he's too battered to even have a hardcore match. However, they could still do an angle maybe with a younger guy wrestling for Foley, while Foley still does promos with Ambrose, etc. You could easily have Ambrose brutalizing a guy standing up for Foley as a sort of punishment for him (since that's what their angle last year seemed to be going towards before it was canned).
 
We should do a top most hated Cena moments.

No selling DDT to concrete is pretty high up there.

Ross commented on John Cena's quick recovery from the DDT on the concrete in the main event of Summerslam against Nexus. "I'm still trying to figure out how John Cena takes a DDT to the concrete floor and still is able to recover well enough to beat two men. Cena should have had a bigger headache than Minnesota Vikings wide receiver Percy Harvin who has debilitated with migraine headaches," Ross said, before playing up Cena's character in the WWE blog forum. "Just proves that Cena is tougher than a $2 steak."
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WINNER OF THE RUMBLE: Wade Barrett

DOLPH ZIGGLERS OPPONENT IN THE BEGINNING OF THE RUMBLE: Daniel Bryan

ENTRANT #30: Randy Orton

FIRST ELIMINATED IN THE RUMBLE: Darren Young

ENTRANT THAT LASTS THE LONGEST: Dolph Ziggler

ENTRANT THAT LASTS THE SHORTEST: McGillicutty

I see Punk winning but losing at EC.

Del Rio retains

Team Rhodes Scholars win Tag titles.
 
For someone that hasn't followed in a long time:

Are the World Heavyweight and WWE Championship titles supposed to be pretty much equal?

Like, for the Money in the Bank thing, why would someone want the World Heavyweight title over the WWE title?
 
ElectricBlanketFire said:
For someone that hasn't followed in a long time:

Are the World Heavyweight and WWE Championship titles supposed to be pretty much equal?

Like, for the Money in the Bank thing, why would someone want the World Heavyweight title over the WWE title?
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Nah, WWE Title is top dog, WHC title is like the 90s IC Title.

The Money in the Bank contract is not a choice, there's two of them, one for the WWE Title and one for the WHC Title. Cena won the WWE one this year, Dolph the WHC one. Rumble winners get a choice, picking either WWE or WHC title. If Cena doesn't win this years Rumble, the winner will have to pick the WHC one, since Rock will be WWE champ and there's no chance he won't be facing Cena/Punk this year.
 
They have 2 different brief cases now. One for the WWE championship and one for the WHC.

Ziggler has the blue which is for the world heavyweight championship
 
ElectricBlanketFire said:
Ah, I see.

Well then, who should I root for to win the Rumble? rick Rude is still around, right?

Right?
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Why do you ask questions you know the answers to?

Dead as Macho Man, Miss Elizabeth, Mr. Perfect, The British Bulldog, Big Boss Man, Tug Boat, Sensational Sherri, Crush, Yokozuna, Bam Bam Bigelow, Andre the Giant, Junkyard Dog, Road Warrior Hawk, Brian Pillman, Owen Hart, Eddie Guerrero, Test, Umaga, etc.
 
ElectricBlanketFire said:
For someone that hasn't followed in a long time:

Are the World Heavyweight and WWE Championship titles supposed to be pretty much equal?

Like, for the Money in the Bank thing, why would someone want the World Heavyweight title over the WWE title?
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They're sort of considered the same tier, but the WWE title is easily the bigger deal.

It's like WWE Champion>>World Heavyweight Champion>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Intercontinental Champion>>>>US Champion.

Tag Titles used to be less important than the Divas championship even, but Kane and Bryan have elevated the importance so that it's probably IC level or above, though that may just be personality-driven at this point. Cesaro has been so good as US champ and the IC belt has been so weirdly passed around recently, that I feel IC and US are closer than they've been in a while.
 
Aiii said:
The Money in the Bank contract is not a choice, there's two of them, one for the WWE Title and one for the WHC Title. Cena won the WWE one this year, Dolph the WHC one. Rumble winners get a choice, picking either WWE or WHC title. If Cena doesn't win this years Rumble, the winner will have to pick the WHC one, since Rock will be WWE champ and there's no chance he won't be facing Cena/Punk this year.
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This is what I was thinking. Say Cesaro wins the Rumble... "I want to fight for the WHC title!!!!" instead of facing Punk or The Rock. Why would anyone choose the weaker competition, especially one who has such a big ego.
 
Htown said:
They're sort of considered the same tier, but the WWE title is easily the bigger deal.

It's like WWE Champion>>World Heavyweight Champion>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Intercontinental Champion>>>>US Champion.

Tag Titles used to be less important than the Divas championship even, but Kane and Bryan have elevated the importance so that it's probably IC level or above, though that may just be personality-driven at this point. Cesaro has been so good as US champ and the IC belt has been so weirdly passed around recently, that I feel IC and US are closer than they've been in a while.
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I think at the least the IC and US title are equal. The IC title has been hotshotted around (in the past 8 months it's been Big Show -> Rhodes -> Christian -> Miz -> Kofi -> Barrett) while Cesaro has been building up the US title. Also, Cesaro tends to get more big wins IMO.
 
WINNER OF THE RUMBLE: undertaker

DOLPH ZIGGLERS OPPONENT IN THE BEGINNING OF THE RUMBLE: John Cena

ENTRANT #30: mark Henry

FIRST ELIMINATED IN THE RUMBLE: Jay uso

ENTRANT THAT LASTS THE LONGEST: Dolph Ziggler

ENTRANT THAT LASTS THE SHORTEST: Fandango

My theory was taker wins, cm punk wins then taker beats punk at mania for the title then retires
 
WCH is way below WWE Championship.

It's more like John Cena Championship>>>>>>>>> WWE>>>>>>>>>WHC>>>>US/IC are interchangeable depending on who is holding which belt>>>>>>>>>Tag Team Championships from 2003-2009, 2010-the past 6 months>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Divas.


EDIT: Htown is right.
 
Kyoufu said:
Fixed.

They're all as meaningless as each other.
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I mean if you're going to go that route, nothing in wrestling means anything.

I'm talking about as far as the company treats the titles and the people who hold them as far as exposure and importance.

Of course if you wanted to make it accurate, you could add:

Whatever The Hell Cena Is Doing At The Moment>>>WWE Championship... etc.
 
jmdajr said:
Why do you ask questions you know the answers to?

Dead as Macho Man, Miss Elizabeth, Mr. Perfect, The British Bulldog, Big Boss Man, Tug Boat, Sensational Sherri, Crush, Yokozuna, Bam Bam Bigelow, Andre the Giant, Junkyard Dog, Road Warrior Hawk, Brian Pillman, Owen Hart, Eddie Guerrero, Test, Umaga, etc.
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It's a joke.
 
Am I the only one who would like to see the WHC become better than the WWE title? imo (assuming they still use it) the big gold belt is the best looking championship belt in history.
 
Rockandrollclown said:
Am I the only one who would like to see the WHC become better than the WWE title? imo (assuming they still use it) the big gold belt is the best looking championship belt in history.
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If they unified the titles I'd definitely like them to keep the WHC. Especially as they seem to have zero interest in making the WWE title look anything other than the Cena belt.
 
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