The blood will flow again this year I am sure.
VGLeaks: Details multiple devkits evolution of Orbis
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The blood will flow again this year I am sure.
gaming_noob
Member
Lol don't act like you don't have your own. Come on now.
nelsonroyale
Member
Of course you can. Maybe he plays games and prefers the playstation brand. It is perfectly natural.
what about this?
Whoa, you have an 8-track player still?
These leaked specs things are getting out of control. I'll just hang out in planetside 2 until we get concrete evidence. But if these leaks are true, then console gamers will be happy. Hell, even though I PC game mainly now I'll get a PS4 for sure day one with those specs because even though PCs will always end up powerhouse kings, Sony's first party teams give PC's an honest run for it's money (and they just make fun quality AAA games).
As far as that RIFT tweet, I was shocked, mainly because I'm not sure why they would adopt that hardware when they're fully capable of making it themselves. "Supporting" it though with their first parties would be interesting.
Clay Davis
Member
my own biases? I was awaiting that one. I've been nothing but neutral in all threads, I have no biases and to claim as much is utter nonsense. you're free of course to check my post history to confirm this. in fact, I encourage it.
I'm more surprised that you're claiming he doesn't have a clear bias. something, something your own bias not allowing you see it.
NDAs.
Of course, I realize they aren't allowed to take pictures. This doesn't mean there won't be leaked images.
Valkyr Junkie
Member
You don't consider the information that has already been given out a massive violation of these NDAs?
my own biases? I was awaiting that one. I've been nothing but neutral in all threads, I have no biases and to claim as much is utter nonsense. you're free of course to check my post history to confirm this. in fact, I encourage it.
I'm more surprised that you're claiming he doesn't have a clear bias. something, something your own bias not allowing you see it.
I'm to lazy to do that.
But in the future I'd refrain from being so quick to imply someone is a fanboy, console warrior etc.. just because you don't like the conclusion they came to from the readily available facts.
iceatcs
Junior Member
yeah. picture is power enough force them to take away or lawsuit/close the site down ever if you are not under NDA.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Of course your right it just seems so unprofessional.
Photographs are a lot easier to trace.
paradise_circus
Member
the pad could be a little bit bigger. 10% or even less would be enough :-(
darkblade77
Member
my own biases? I was awaiting that one. I've been nothing but neutral in all threads, I have no biases and to claim as much is utter nonsense. you're free of course to check my post history to confirm this. in fact, I encourage it.
I'm more surprised that you're claiming he doesn't have a clear bias. something, something your own bias not allowing you see it.
His point is that there's no reason to conclude that he's favoring one console over another because of his love-or-lack-thereof for either company. The jump you make in your post about his motivations has even less basis than his speculation over which console is going to enable developers to do what.
Clay Davis
Member
can you point where I claimed he was a fanboy or console warrior? please read my posts before claiming I said such things. claiming someone has a bias doesn't mean I'm painting them as a console warrior or a fanboy. had I wanted to claim as much, I wouldn't beat about the bush, I'd just label him as one and move on.
I'd also recommend reading the entire blog post, it's so incredibly slanted / biased that I'm more than a little surprised we're even discussing whether is it or not.
MikeE21286
Member
Converted to picture goodness.
PlayStation Oculus.
Just get in bed together. Oh that would be awesome.
gaming_noob
Member
Orbis "Leak" from Vgleaks is tomorrow, ain't it?
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
It's his personal blog. He can be as professional or unprofessional as he wants.
3. bigger controller. the dualshock is just too small.
initial R&D work has already been started and there's already quality developer support. it's sometimes better to work with others than forge ahead on your own. besides the SDK is only $300 (wide availability in March 2013).
Don't think so. Where did you hear that?
Clay Davis
Member
what jump did I make? accusing him of having a bias based on what I read isn't jumping to anything, it's judging the content of his blog post. in my opinion it's incredibly slanted / biased. if you feel it isn't, that's fair enough. everyone is, after all, entitled to their own opinion. even if it's clearly wrong. ;p
iceatcs
Junior Member
Yeah that new leak is more lame than last time. Nothing big new. Just dual camera only thing is new.
Ozzykamikaze
Member
Yeah, remember all those E3's where Sony only talked about Move and didn't announce any new games?...
Oh wait, that wasn't them...
Graphics Horse
Member
Crayon drawing will do. But I wonder if it's not out yet and they just have the description and a DS3, MOVE, and Vita to play around with.
Clay Davis
Member
point still stands, regardless of language used. you wrongly jumped to the conclusion that I was painting him as a console warrior or fanboy. you were wrong to jump to such a conclusion as nothing in my posts supported this.
it's done now though, let's get back on track and talk about orbis.
Can Crusher
Banned
I understand that everything is permitted when it's happening south of the border, but saying it's gonna be a cheap pc with off the shelf windows on it, aimed at the casuals and making profit day 1...
Not only is the guy not using his tech knowledge for anything, but he is taking a bunch of assumptions.
The assumptions are all so negative, some of them not even making any kind of sense (Isn't Durango more exotic? even if not as powerful?), that yes he is acting like a console warrior (Console warriors don't exist, it's an euphemism).
I don't expect his behavior to be evaluated as such by all parties though, such is the world.
James Sawyer Ford
Banned
OMNI?
That's exactly what I thought, too.
Playstation Omni would be the best name for their next system.
Omni pretty much covers their strategy for gaming in the future -- cloud streaming, and could also be in reference to the gaming world that surrounds you (AR, or VR).
Negatives? For you perhaps. Maybe not so much for Microsoft. Who, you know, is a corporation. They don't exactly have your wishes or best interests at heart.
James Sawyer Ford
Banned
Well, the specs as of right now are clearly "biased" in favor of PS4. This could change with more information, but the guy is looking at the same stuff we are -- 50% more GPU power + 4GB of ~192 GB/s RAM is a non-inconsequential difference in power. And I'd say that he is in a position to evaluate hardware differences at face value given his level of expertise.
Clay Davis
Member
on a spec level, I agree with this comments. it's the rest of the blog post that leaves a bitter taste in ones mouth. the assumptions that durango will be a 'pc' with off the shelf parts, they won't be creating a custom os, the console will be more geared toward dvr functionality and so on.
maybe he's not biased, but it's clear from reading the posts that he has a clear preference and is more than willing to downplay and assume the absolute worst for the one he feels isn't as good.
iamshadowlark
Banned
I mean, everybody has a bias. I don't see why that should invalidate what looks like a honest opionion. Call me biased or whatever but its the same conclusion I came to immediately after the leak article went up. And I'm just a student, he's a full fledged graphical programmer. As someone looking to see how much the nextgen consoles will be pushed graphically, the Durango spec leak leaves a lot to be desired. As he admitted he isn't privileged to more info, so you really can't blame him for taking it at face value.
You can try and downplay his post as much as you want, but it's pretty objective. Clear cut.
It is what it is.
Zuhzuhzombie!!
Member
Anyone who sums up MS' position as "Well they just want to release a Wii... but with a DVR" I pretty much will ignore.
James Sawyer Ford
Banned
Is Durango not going to be all of those things? Pretty much everyone believes that to be true at this point. Especially with HDMI in ports, the speculated resources devoted to the OS (3 GB of RAM, 2 cores). For better or worse, he's claiming it may be the right strategy for Microsoft to pursue, but for those interested in purely gaming you might be disappointed.
I don't really see it as being any bias.....he is a tech head and a developer that cares about pushing graphical boundaries. If anything, that's where his bias lies, hence his conclusions.
Can Crusher
Banned
And Sony does? The small independent firm that is aiming to usher a new era just for gamers like us.
Listen, I'm not even arguing that it's not a possibility, I'm just not dead set on trying to make it real with the power of the mind.
dragonelite
Member
Jep you can sketch a more complete picture from orbis.
And what we know and he probably too from durango is that the numbers are saying it is weaker. But there are some unknown variable so i will wait it out i will probably have money to buy durango 2013 and ps4 in 2014 if it can impress me will probably use the money for upgrading desktop.
Zuhzuhzombie!!
Member
At what point in time did someone deduce that Durango has a %50 slower GPU?
Officerrob
Banned
Five hundred ninety nine U.S. dollars (probably more)
Help me out here. Where did I say it was exclusive to Microsoft?
James Sawyer Ford
Banned
1.2TF vs 1.84TF
Betrayer of hope
Banned
These leaks are just guesses at this point. Especially orbis
Clay Davis
Member
it certainly won't be a cheap pc with off the shelf parts and it's hard to believe it won't have a custom os when their last two consoles have had one. it's also a leap to assume that they are primarily focused on dvr functionality. will they be offering such features? that's a given, much like sony offered dvr functionality with the ps3, but to assume that that's their primary focus reeks of jumping to conclusions to fit a certain bias.
James Sawyer Ford
Banned
Also, with recent rumors suggesting stereoscopic cameras AND a touchpad/touchscreen...
What are we to believe?
On one hand, I can see Sony doing a dual nunchuck move controller as being standard, but that sort of implies that there won't be a touch screen....
So which is it? Advanced Move, or a touchpad controller? It would be difficult doing both as standard unless there was a breakapart design.
What are we to believe?
On one hand, I can see Sony doing a dual nunchuck move controller as being standard, but that sort of implies that there won't be a touch screen....
So which is it? Advanced Move, or a touchpad controller? It would be difficult doing both as standard unless there was a breakapart design.
I think there are some ppl who are feeling a real sense of persecution complex if someone even remotely suggests that Durango is slightly weaker or that it is going for casuals etc.. This is a good thing for MS. They will keep the price down and get more sales as well if this were true. Not sure why he is being labeled a fanboy for it. Based on what others are saying he is a good developer so he seems to have interpreted the specs based on his knowledge.