FalsettoVibe
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Frankly, after how much I enjoyed Xenoblade, I'd be ecstatic if this game was essentially Xenoblade 2.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
Yep. He's infamous for not understanding how Skyward Sword's controls worked.
Flame Lord
Member
New first party IP's? I don't think that list is as long as you think it is.
Duane Cunningham
Member
I don't know if you can really say that, though... they're all new IPs except for Bayonetta. And when Bayo came out, it was definitely part of the "AAA Multiplatform Game of the Month" club. And actually:
This is even more impressive because it's an exclusive sequel.
michaeltraps
Member
Could not agree more. One of the appeals of Nintendo to me as I get older is the fact that I know some day I will be playing Pokemon/Mario Kart/Zelda with my kids. It enhances my experience without a doubt.
Interfectum
Gold Member
It's a guy walking up to a mech and it flying away with graphics on par with a standard 360/PS3 game. That's supposed to be mind blowing? If so I wonder how many times PS4/720 gifs will be posted after E3.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
I can't wait to see what kind of new gameplay is offered in Mario Kart 8.
Portugeezer
Member
Agreed. For me my first Zelda game was Windwaker, I played it in 2005, it was amazing, second favourite game of all time and now I love the Zelda franchise.
There is no childish nostalgia, the series is amazing.
Baconsammy
Banned
Obviously yes, but it's not what's killing my love for them. It's their lack of respect for me as a consumer that's slowly but surely driving me away.
It's why Pokemon is so incredibly popular.
Oh I know it's harder than it sounds, but we're talking about filthy fucking rich Nintendo here. I know hundreds of eager developers would kill to be able to launch and work on a new Nintendo 1st-party team. Nintendo just chooses to not invest in expanding their development teams beyond those that are already working on the usual suspects.
There's chance it's related to Xenoblade, what will be funny?
LiveFromKyoto
Member
God Nintendo, stop making the same game over and over.
I mean it's like you never do anything differently.
When will we get something that's not just Mario and Zelda?
I bet Sony & Microsoft aren't even going to bring out HALOGRANTURISMOGODOFWARGEARSOFWARUNCHARTEDKILLZONE next gen.
I mean it's like you never do anything differently.
When will we get something that's not just Mario and Zelda?
I bet Sony & Microsoft aren't even going to bring out HALOGRANTURISMOGODOFWARGEARSOFWARUNCHARTEDKILLZONE next gen.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
In Nintendo's world, Bayonetta 2 is a fairly low risk attempt to try and gain some credibility with a niche but vocal minority. It's nowhere near A-tier for them in terms of budget or aspirations.
Holy Order Sol
Member
That's actually what I expect and hope it is.
akilshohen
Member
what is that from?
This is it for me.
CecilRousso
Member
That's probably the silliest thing I have ever read on this forum. If Nintendo has customers like this, that compares new series with just new graphics, then I completely understand why they don't even bother anymore.
pikmin? wii sports? big brain academy? sorry im just spit balling here.
Pikmin, ok. The other two are fun but I don't think any gamers are exactly clamouring for sequels.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
Wario Ware
Rhythm Heaven
Bit Generations/Art Style
Brain Training / Big Brain Academy (Technically two distinct IPs, there, but they clearly tap into very similar markets)
Wii *
Push/Crashmo
Drill Dozer
Nintendogs
Style Savvy
Art Academy
Spirit Camera
Sakura Samurai
HarmoKnight
Dillon's Rolling Western
Battalion Wars
Captain Rainbow
FlingSmash
Xenoblade
... I think they've done okay, really. There's perhaps a few in there that shouldn't be credited to Nintendo, but I'd also argue that there's a few that I'd be inclined to include but others might disagree with ("Mario & Luigi", for instance).
God Nintendo, stop making the same game over and over.
I mean it's like you never do anything differently.
When will we get something that's not just Mario and Zelda?
I bet Sony & Microsoft aren't even going to bring out HALOGRANTURISMOGODOFWARGEARSOFWARUNCHARTEDKILLZONE next gen.
ITT: people don't know the difference between publishing and developing.
FlashbladeGAF
Member
It's the new game from Tetsuya Takahashi's (creator of Xenogears and Xenosaga) team at Monolith Soft.
That's not what mindblowing,
what's mindblowing is it's in a game that will probably have this plus all the background isn't just background you will be able to get there on foot or on mech.
It's the very thing that made rpgs lose flying vehicles because it needed such a big playground.
It could look like a DS game that wouldn't make it any less mindblowing.
Well depends on who own the IP because I'm pretty sure people consider Resistance something Sony owns for example.
Nintendo is the one paying for it to be developed, you cannot say that the don't care about new IPs
Dave Meltzer
Banned
It's not a game they can possibly expect to sell a quarter as well as NSMB. In Nintendo's world it's just a solid niche title for a couple of million worldwide.
GitarooMan
Member
I do think there is a tiredness and weariness to the cycle in some aspects. It doesn't apply to all their software, but Mario Kart absolutely feels trapped by legacy. It's like, new console, within 1-2 years new Mario Kart that has nearly identical structure to old one, rinse, repeat. I feel like Zelda is different enough iteration to iteration, but Mario Kart is tired and needs a spark.
When did Nintendo buy Platinum???
Yes and No.
Some franchises are indeed falling stale, like Mario Kart and Zelda even a bit. But most off their games, while having the same solid framework, try to innovate in their respective genre and create a different feeling. Like Mario Galaxy, which embraces the whole gravity thing, and thanks to that feels like a totally different game than 64 and sunshine.
Some franchises are indeed falling stale, like Mario Kart and Zelda even a bit. But most off their games, while having the same solid framework, try to innovate in their respective genre and create a different feeling. Like Mario Galaxy, which embraces the whole gravity thing, and thanks to that feels like a totally different game than 64 and sunshine.
walking fiend
Member
But they are still making Mario, and Zelda, and Samus is still around; and you know, this means they are trapped in their Legacy, cause you see, all those games are still exactly the same as they were 30 years ago... No? well, at least 10 years ago, still no? So what are you talking about?
The problem with Nintendo development is the limited 'genre' of their games; it's not like they haven't been making new IPs, or constantly evolving and even revolutionizing their legacy IPs, but that still they are making games in only few genres and for a limited demographic.
I mean, why haven't they made another arcade racer like F-Zero yet?
The problem with Nintendo development is the limited 'genre' of their games; it's not like they haven't been making new IPs, or constantly evolving and even revolutionizing their legacy IPs, but that still they are making games in only few genres and for a limited demographic.
I mean, why haven't they made another arcade racer like F-Zero yet?
No. The problem is that they've been abandoning their IPs left and right to focus mostly on only their big franchises, and their new IPs are usually instantly relegated to low budget or downloadable affairs with little to no marketing. It makes their line-up feel really bland because all of the big releases all feel similar (eg. Mario platformers, Mario spin-offs, mini-games, Zelda, Pokemon, Pokemon spin-offs, Kirby).
What I'd kill to have a new F-Zero, Star Fox, Earthbound, 1080 snowboarding, Wave Race, PilotWings (the 3DS one was so low budget and lacked content, I want a full fledged one), Eternal Darkness, Advance Wars, Battalion Wars, Chibi Robo, StarTropics, Elite Beat Agents, or a 2D Metroid game.
What I'd kill to have a new F-Zero, Star Fox, Earthbound, 1080 snowboarding, Wave Race, PilotWings (the 3DS one was so low budget and lacked content, I want a full fledged one), Eternal Darkness, Advance Wars, Battalion Wars, Chibi Robo, StarTropics, Elite Beat Agents, or a 2D Metroid game.
Interceptor
Banned
I think Gamespot is infatuated in bad writing. I have the growing impression that a lot of people in the gaming media are getting old and dissapointed with their current state of life. So they want to change the industrie they are working in in something more cool and socialy more acceptable. .
What open word looks that good on the Xbox?
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qizah
Unconfirmed Member
I think Mario Kart is actually a good example of them keeping it fresh while adding small improvements here and there. Especially in the last 10 years with trends like online multiplayer, it's definitely changed the scope of Mario Kart. Furthermore, exchanging ghost data with players and getting downloads of ghosts on the 3DS is a great way to provide content and increase replayability for that game.
If anything I'd say there are more chances of getting fatigued from annual franchises than with Nintendo IPs. Sure, Nintendo IPs are older but they don't come out every year. In most cases you have one mainline 3D Mario, 1 Smash Bros, 1 Mario Kart, 1 Zelda, 1 Metroid per generation. These games generally come out after 3-5 years. Where as a new Call of Duty or Assassin's Creed comes out every year. Even if they're big changes or small changes, it's all too familiar in a short amount of time.
And they probably do that due to struggling 3rd party support overall. But that's a different conversation. Although them buying Monolith/saving them was a pretty nice gesture.
LiveFromKyoto
Member
On account of it's a pretty meaningless distinction. They're putting their name and weight and bank account behind it and pushing it hard.
FlashbladeGAF
Member
that doesnt mean they arent pouring a great amount of time and effort into it.
The fact they had it at the end of the Nintendo Direct shows how serious they are about it.
Herb Alpert
Banned
lately, an overuse of mario, because to face the financial difficulties they had to go the safer route... In 2 years Mario3DLand, Mario Tennis, MarioKart7, NewSuperMario2, NewSuperMarioU. And for these holidays Mario HD and Mario Kart WiiU. That's a lot. You'd better like Mario...
But with Kid Icarus Uprising, Pushmo, Dillon Rolling Western, SteelDriver (no, forget that one) there is still hope...
Trapped, in a sense, by their investors and economics, cause a KIU will never sell as much as a NSMB. it's hard to keep up with financial figures from the Wii and DS era, during which Nintendo stock value became ridiculously inflated. They have to try to reproduce those figures, even if everyone knows that's impossible.
But with Kid Icarus Uprising, Pushmo, Dillon Rolling Western, SteelDriver (no, forget that one) there is still hope...
Trapped, in a sense, by their investors and economics, cause a KIU will never sell as much as a NSMB. it's hard to keep up with financial figures from the Wii and DS era, during which Nintendo stock value became ridiculously inflated. They have to try to reproduce those figures, even if everyone knows that's impossible.
Interfectum
Gold Member
You could get Skyrim to look like that if you turn it into a postage stamp gif too.
Majukun
Member
if you are talking about quality,we are talking about a masterpiece level.
if you are talking about budget,bayonetta was not really expensive probably,but we know nothing about the cost and the scale of bayonetta 2
Huh many, many pubs would absolutely love to even have a game that sells a 1/4 of 23Mil on 1 platform.
And "a couple million worldwide" is the target of many games with a budget dwarfing this by a large margin too.
It's great for Nintendo to be put on pedestal but let's not get ridiculous here.
I also have to say YES.
I haven't really followed Nintendo since the Gamecube. It just seemed like more of the same thing with every game to me.
I guess I just grew out of the whole Nintendo thing. I really don't have the slightest interest in collecting a trillion coins in the next Mario game or jumping through hoops to get another slingshot in the next Zelda. Been there, done that. And I never thought I'd say that, being a huge Zelda fan back in the day.
And I understand how people argue that oh look, every Assassin's Creed or Halo iteration doesn't bring up anything revolutionary to the formula either...and I'd have to agree. It's hard to explain, but for me those games are serious. They have stories that I could be involved in, characters I can care about. I don't really care about how the princess gets kidnapped by Bowser/Gannon/whomever this time.
I get how these Nintendo games could be fun, but I just can't get excited/interested for them. Which sucks for me also, cause I missed out on things like Xenoblade and Last Story since I never had a Wii.
Serious question - how many of you Nintendo faithful are adults that still enjoy the latest Marios/Pokemons/et al?
I haven't really followed Nintendo since the Gamecube. It just seemed like more of the same thing with every game to me.
I guess I just grew out of the whole Nintendo thing. I really don't have the slightest interest in collecting a trillion coins in the next Mario game or jumping through hoops to get another slingshot in the next Zelda. Been there, done that. And I never thought I'd say that, being a huge Zelda fan back in the day.
And I understand how people argue that oh look, every Assassin's Creed or Halo iteration doesn't bring up anything revolutionary to the formula either...and I'd have to agree. It's hard to explain, but for me those games are serious. They have stories that I could be involved in, characters I can care about. I don't really care about how the princess gets kidnapped by Bowser/Gannon/whomever this time.
I get how these Nintendo games could be fun, but I just can't get excited/interested for them. Which sucks for me also, cause I missed out on things like Xenoblade and Last Story since I never had a Wii.
Serious question - how many of you Nintendo faithful are adults that still enjoy the latest Marios/Pokemons/et al?
Aquamarine
Member
Correct. Publishers have complete say what content gets in, the design philosophies, the team expectations, QC / testing work, hiring talent, etc., etc.
Some publishers may just fund the project and let the studio handle everything with their own devices, but a game like The Wonderful 101 is most definitely a "Nintendo game" just as much as Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem or Geist is a Nintendo game.