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[DashReindeer]

You and I see eye to eye on the matter.

Just wish that Nintendo would realize that Reggie's brand of marketing glibness is outdated, and that gamers respond so much better to leaders who are able to be open in the way in which Iwata is, even if that means admitting shortcomings.

 

[Ricky 7]

you are embarrassing yourself at this point, so it doesn't count as game because old people can play it? seriously?

I know right, I can't believe people actually think like this.

 

[Hematocryal]

it's it's about AAA grandness. You can make a stylized game with AAA gameplay.

New platformers on a grandscale

I can definitely jive with that. That's a balance that I think everyone can appreciate, granted it's darker so that my craving is satisfied hahaha

 

[slit]

I pretty clearly stated major IPs and went even further as saying stuff on mario and zelda's budget. That is what people want from Nintendo, not Wii sports which is a joke of a game. I don't care if it sold 800 million copies to every person who never touched a game before in their lives, we're not talking about sales.

I didn't say anything about sales. You're the one that keeps bringing up sales.

I said your idea of a MAJOR IP is not gospel.

 

[Metroid In A Glass Tube]

1 brilliant game series per console = classy

3 - 4 sequels per console = trashy

Nintendo seems to be the only company that considers their IP's and tries not to over saturate us in them, of course when you're dealing with a company that has been making Mario games since the early 80's, you're going to get a lot of titles over the years.

If Mario Galaxy 3, 4 and 5 come out on the Wii U with DLC and "season passes" then we can worry, until then Nintendo likes to do things differently and I like that. Sony/MS would sell their soul for a character as noticeable as Mario.

 

[Sadist]

Major IP's are games liked by messageboards. Duh.

In all seriousness I understand what Derrick means, but a budget doesn't define an IP either.

 

[DSix]

They're trapped by their own fear to take any kind of risk. Why make a new game when the Zelda name will increase sales?

That's pretty much the issue.


Someone at nintendo makes a new plateformer? Bam they stick mario or kirby universe on it (seen numerous times, like epic yarn and others).

Iwata makes a fun fighting game at HAL? Bam put nintendo characters on it (smash bros)

And so on and so forth (Starfox adventure, ...).


It's not that nintendo doesn't make new games and new game ideas, it's that they have such a strong IP pool that they will always already have an universe to fit ANY game. IMO I get sick of it, but from ther perspective it make sense: why take risks when it can be made to fit and guarantee better sales?

I'd want to see them break away from that habit, but when they did (wiisport and such) I hated it because of how bland and unappealing it all was. Maybe that's the truth of it.

 

[stktt]

With this thread: Screen Digest: "Nintendo behind the next gen curve; isolated from market" It might be a bit too much Nintendoom, even for GAF.

And this is after a surprisingly good Direct.

 

[Uno Venova]

How much has the criteria changed in this thread? Has to be a game that gamers care about, high sales, an A list title instead of a B list, whatever that means, mature, I'm probably missing some.

I for one like the method of a major game from each franchise once a console cycle.

 

[Derrick01]

I didn't say anything about sales. You're the one that keeps bringing up sales.

I said your idea of a MAJOR IP is not gospel.

Alright so next time there's a major new IP list wars then no one will object to including Wonderbook on Sony's side then? Just need to clear up where the joke games begin and end and when it's ok to not list them.

 

[Makonero]

1 brilliant game series per console = classy

3 - 4 sequels per console = trashy

Nintendo seems to be the only company that considers their IP's and tries not to over saturate us in them, of course when you're dealing with a company that has been making Mario games since the early 80's, you're going to get a lot of titles over the years.

If Mario Galaxy 3, 4 and 5 come out on the Wii U with DLC and "season passes" then we can worry, until then Nintendo likes to do things differently and I like that. Sony/MS would sell their soul for a character as noticeable as Mario.

In fact, we've seen other franchises decimated by oversaturation. Anybody remember Rock Band and Guitar Hero? I'm glad that Nintendo doesn't do that with their franchises.

 

[Jest Chillin]

Supposed to be, yes. Damned difficult when your new console isn't a powerhouse or flying off the shelves. Even with the Wii doing so successfully, where is Zack and Wiki 2? It's safer for Nintendo to release a 2D Mario because it sells. And it sells through the roof, normally. Nintendo may not be in any big trouble right now, but they are not doing well. Not as well as they did the last time they did this, which is why we're seeing them play it safe.

I'd love new IPs and sequels to games like Mother and F-Zero. I also understand that until Nintendo is confident that the system sellers are out there, they will continue to be conservative. We got Punch-Out!! last gen, remember? And it rocked. And a Wario sidescroller. And DKC Returns.

Now we just need Mother Reborn and I'll be happy.

So then you think that we just need to wait for Nintendo to be in a more comfortable place in regards to Wii-U sales before they start taking chances on new IP's again?

 

[skypunch]

you name Animal Crossing and Pikman but what I am saying a NEW IP that is AAA big.
not some niche thing. Something big like say uh how Super Mario Bros. was big?

Monolith Soft's new, big, AAA JRPG.

 

[udivision]

And this is after a surprisingly good Direct.

This is the part that is the weirdest of all.

 

[Jachaos]

Your choice for what is "daring" for Nintendo exemplifies the problem really. It's not Nintendo that lowered the standard for what is considered interesting, daring, creative, relevant, but the fans.

But they did make a zelda game cel shaded at the peek of cel shading popularity and a zombie dark souls game at the peek of zombie and dark souls popularity ...daring!

To me, Wii Sports is daring. Nintendoland is daring. So is Big Brain, Nintendogs and the Nintendo DS itself. So is pushing games like Fire Emblem or Kid Icarus or Animal Crossing:Wild World or Pikmin 3 at times when you really need big established marketing weapons.

 

[DashReindeer]

With this thread: Screen Digest: "Nintendo behind the next gen curve; isolated from market" It might be a bit too much Nintendoom, even for GAF.

Nintendo cannot be happy with the press right now. The company goes out of its way to address nearly the majority of concerns that gamers were expressing regarding the Wii U, and the press slams them in editorials. I wonder what Iwata does for stress reduction; he always seems so happy in spite of it all.

 

[EMT0]

Again, so fucking what? It has nothing to do with what we're talking about here. We're not talking about sales at all.

Why do Nintendo fans constantly miss the point, only to ask what people mean when they want new IPs? I explained it pretty simply and I'm still getting confused stares.

Relativism man. Just because you don't like it doesn't give you the right to shit all over it. I don't like Wii Sports. At all. But I'm not going to fling poo at it for being a game that's not targeted at me.

 

[Hero]

This week has been interesting. Nintendo announcing a new 3D Mario, Mario Kart, and Smash Bros is not unsurprising.

Just like it's not surprising how Microsoft stuck to a Halo -> Gears -> Fable formula for over 7 years.

 

[Makonero]

So then you think that we just need to wait for Nintendo to be in a more comfortable place in regards to Wii-U sales before they start taking chances on new IP's again?

Yep. I think once the user base is solid and the games like Mario, Zelda, etc. are all out there on the table, we'll begin to see more risks. A new Miyamoto led e-shop release, something to do with Star Fox, all of these will eventually arrive. It's just not going to happen right now.

 

[jay]

With this thread: Screen Digest: "Nintendo behind the next gen curve; isolated from market" It might be a bit too much Nintendoom, even for GAF.

There's no such thing as too much truth.

 

[Hematocryal]

How much has the criteria changed in this thread? Has to be a game that gamers care about, high sales, an A list title instead of a B list, whatever that means, mature, I'm probably missing some.

I for one like the method of a major game from each genre once a console cycle.

The mature one is just my selfishness. The argument to get back on track is thusly
Is nintendo smothered by their legacy and does it hold them back? Yes, not that nintendo is the only one guilty of it. Is it a problem? Well if sales imply no, then it isn't even APPROACHING a problem lol. However, at the risk if someday stagnating, who wouldn't want to see them dive into a side of the pool they've never swam in?

 

[Laguna]

The following series is proof for what I was trying to say in my last post, that studios will only be killed if they don´t sell enough for Sony.


Wipeout
Wipeout 2097 / XL
Wipeout 3
Wipeout Fusion
Wipeout Pure
Wipeout Pulse
Wipeout HD
Wipeout HD Fury,
Wipeout 2048

 

[slit]

Alright so next time there's a major new IP list wars then no one will object to including Wonderbook on Sony's side then? Just need to clear up where the joke games begin and end and when it's ok to not list them.

I don't know cause I haven't played it. All I can say is that it doesn't seem to have the same kind of impact as Wii Sports.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

Alright so next time there's a major new IP list wars then no one will object to including Wonderbook on Sony's side then? Just need to clear up where the joke games begin and end and when it's ok to not list them.

If Wonderbook sells a shitload and is generally well recieved then yes. Major IPs aren't dictated on what you think is cool. If people are buying PS3s partly because they want Wonderbook then itll become a major IP.

It sold a lot and a lot of people enjoyed it. If Wonderbook does the same then there is no reason not to count it as a major Sony IP.

 

[Derrick01]

Relativism man. Just because you don't like it doesn't give you the right to shit all over it. I don't like Wii Sports. At all. But I'm not going to fling poo at it for being a game that's not targeted at me.

Again though. I clearly stated a new IP that's on the level of a mario/zelda on budget and scale. That's the answer to all the questions we keep getting from nintendo fans on "what do these people want???". It's an extremely simple answer that's being convoluted and twisted for no reason at all.

 

[den]

We knew monolithsoft had something in the works for wiiU. We had abso-fucking-lutley no clue another FE game was in the wings let alone a SMT crossover. Do you get it now? or are you being purposely thick?

have you read anything i said or are you just commenting to be heard. i didn't say that fire emblem X shin megami wasn't the biggest surprise of the direct but i was suggesting that the announcement and details of X were also quite a surprise

 

[Coolwhip]

Nintendo cannot be happy with the press right now. The company goes out of its way to address nearly the majority of concerns that gamers were expressing regarding the Wii U, and the press slams them in editorials. I wonder what Iwata does for stress reduction; he always seems so happy in spite of it all.

I wouldn't call a few website with jaded blog-like rants bad press though. Nintendo cares more about big media outlets I'm sure.

 

[WrenchNinja]

The only legacy Nintendo is trapped in is their terrible online content management and once again charging you for the same games you already bought. Thats the legacy that has to get abandoned, but hey, not enough people care.

 

[Randdalf]

If Nintendo is trapped by their legacy then modern day developers are trapped by their present. GameSpot fawn over the latest yearly iteration of every popular AAA series and then have the hypocrisy to criticise Nintendo for releasing 8 Mario Kart games in 21 years as opposed to releasing 9 Call of Duty titles in 9 years or 5 Assassin's Creed games in 6 years.

 

[Roman]

Firstly, please don't twist my words as i never said anything regarding fire emblem X shin megami.
However, i'm suprised you expected a spiritual successor to xenoblade despite it being stated that monolith soft's new game would be a new IP.
http://www.siliconera.com/2012/09/13/xenoblade-team-creating-new-game-for-wii-u/

There was even a thread about it.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=491257

I maintain that it's expectable for the Xenoblade team to make a game that looks very similar, especially knowing they are making a Wii U game and that it is an RPG.

It was not even remotely as much out of left field as FE x SMT, that is what I am arguing. If you do not disagree with this, we have no disagreement.

 

[Oersted]

Reminder. If we are talking about new IPs:

-casual games don´t count

- niche games don´t count

- games by Monolith Soft don´t count (Xenoblade, X)

- Pikmin and Animal Crossing clearly don´t count


If you think those are new IPs, nope. Because.

 

[Metroid In A Glass Tube]

In fact, we've seen other franchises decimated by oversaturation. Anybody remember Rock Band and Guitar Hero? I'm glad that Nintendo doesn't do that with their franchises.

Exactly, I think even COD hears echos from the internet of how it's the same thing every year. I used to be a big COD player. I loved the online. I guess I've just grown out of it. I'm more of a laid back JRPG type player now, something wtih a story.

I'll always buy NHL EA games however, as much as I hate EA....curse them for having a monopoly on the NHL games.

 

[meta4]

See? Exactly what I was talking about in that last comment. I said major and what did I get? Wii _____ and Steel Diver.

This is not what people want from Nintendo when they beg for new IPs.



Because whatevs? I singled it out because it's barely a fucking game! 75 year olds can play it just as well as a 20 year old.

I guess some of us need to accept the fact that whatever new IP's Nintendo introduced is not for us and we need to move on. The tastes have changed. For eg just check some of the stuff posted as new IP's by Laguna for Wii

Some of the new IPs
Nintendo Wii
Art Style
Wii Sports
Excite Truck
Wii Play
Endless Ocean
Wii Fit
Wii Music
Disaster: Day of Crisis
Captain Rainbow
Common sense of people power TV
Tact of Magic
FlingSmash
Dynamic Slash
And-Kensaku
Pandora's Tower
Kiki Trick
Xenoblade Chronicles
The Last Story

Stuff like Wii Fit, , Wii Play etc are not games we will ever list. It's like me listing Get fit for Mel B as a new IP. I mean the tastes of what a 360/PS3 owner likes and what a Wii owner likes are soo different. This is not like the Gamecube,PS2,XBOX era anymore. I feel the taste of gamers in these three camps have diverged more and more with the Sony and MS crowd in one corner and Nintendo in another. As long as people who bought the Wii are happy and like Nintendo's direction that's good enough I guess. I realized that Nintendo may not be for me anymore and I have moved on though I must admit WiiU is pretty much changing my opinion again..

 

[Derrick01]

Reminder. If we are talking about new IPs:

-casual games don´t count

- niche games don´t count

- games by Monolith Soft don´t count (Xenoblade, X)

- Pikmin and Animal Crossing clearly don´t count


If you think those are new IPs, nope. Because.

You don't have to play stupid.

 

[den]

I maintain that it's expectable for the Xenoblade team to make a game that looks very similar, especially knowing they are making a Wii U game and that it is an RPG.

It was not even remotely as much out of left field as FE x SMT, that is what I am arguing. If you do not disagree with this, we have no disagreement.

I agree that FE X SMT was an amazing, unexpected surprise so i guess that is that. we agree on somethings but disagree on others.

 

[Conor 419]

Reminder. If we are talking about new IPs:

-casual games don´t count

- niche games don´t count

- games by Monolith Soft don´t count (Xenoblade, X)

- Pikmin and Animal Crossing clearly don´t count


If you think those are new IPs, nope. Because.

Pikmin and Animal Crossing are going on 15 years now

 

[Hematocryal]

Reminder. If we are talking about new IPs:

-casual games don´t count

- niche games don´t count

- games by Monolith Soft don´t count (Xenoblade, X)

- Pikmin and Animal Crossing clearly don´t count


If you think those are new IPs, nope. Because.

XD there is a difference between animal crossing and all that AND anything like wiiSports and wiigames with table tennis and kendo fighting by your little nintendo avatars, hell that's the game it comes with.

 

[partyphone]

Nintendo haters are beginning to stagnate. how about some new and unique ways to explain to everyone just how doomed Nintendo is?

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

First of all let me get this shit straight.

Whats so good about a new IP? They may make some and yall wont even count it because its not to your taste. Is New IP bald space marine??? I know if they made a puzzler that shit would not count or a dancing game that shit would not count. Or some other stuff like that the new IP would not count.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

XD there is a difference between animal crossing and all that AND anything like wiiSports and wiigames with table tennis and kendo fighting by your little nintendo avatars, hell that's the game it comes with.

What a shitty game Super Mario Bros is. It has to be, it came with the system!

 

[lwilliams3]

Nintendo cannot be happy with the press right now. The company goes out of its way to address nearly the majority of concerns that gamers were expressing regarding the Wii U, and the press slams them in editorials. I wonder what Iwata does for stress reduction; he always seems so happy in spite of it all.

Iwata should be used to it. Articles like this was seen before the Wii came out, before the DS took off, and before the 3DS began to show signs of taking off. It is part of the job.

 

[Hematocryal]

NES came with Mario. What a shitty game Mario is.

You bought Mario and they were like "hey we'll throw in the system your going to use to play the game!" xD

 

[axisofweevils]

Iwata should be used to it. Articles like this was seen before the Wii came out, before the DS took off, and before the 3DS began to show signs of taking off. It is part of the job.

In fact, you could argue that articles like these are the very reason Nintendo introduced Nintendo Direct in the first place.

 

[Derrick01]

First of all let me get this shit straight.

Whats so good about a new IP? They may make some and yall wont even count it because its not to your taste. Is New IP bald space marine??? I know if they made a puzzler that shit would not count or a dancing game that shit would not count. Or some other stuff like that the new IP would not count.

Where are their new IPs that are on the budget and scale of their marios, zeldas and smash bros'? I'll ask again because despite this extremely simple question it has been twisted into a bunch of people playing stupid "ohhh they're moving goalposts" or "ohhh tiny handheld game like Steel Diver doesn't counnnnt?". Why is the question being dodged and people pretending they don't know what anyone is talking about? It's a very simple question.

 

[Oersted]

You don't have to play stupid.

Same goes for you. Just look trough this thread. The narrative keeps being changed:

no new IPs - yeah they have new IPs, they don´t push them- we are talking about big AAA titles- we are talking about big AAs which sell well enough.

Point is: Nintendo released new IPs. Many people are pleased, some are not. Move along.

 

[cacildo]

I think nintendo will last more than the gaming press

 

[Zen_Arcade]

Where are their new IPs that are on the budget and scale of their marios, zeldas and smash bros'? I'll ask again because despite this extremely simple question it has been twisted into a bunch of people playing stupid "ohhh they're moving goalposts" or "ohhh tiny handheld game like Steel Diver doesn't counnnnt!". Why is the question being dodged and people pretending they don't know what anyone is talking about? It's a very simple question.

Kid Icarus
Xenoblade
Last Story
Wonderful 101

And a lot of the best titles on other systems aren't even the AAA games. If anything a good portion of the best games this Gen are downloadable.

 

[outunderthestars]

Just wish that Nintendo would realize that Reggie's brand of marketing glibness is outdated, and that gamers respond so much better to leaders who are able to be open in the way in which Iwata is, even if that means admitting shortcomings.

Could not agree more. Iawata asks/Nintendo Direct is a much better approach. I'd like to see them eventually take it a step father and start trying to create more direct relationships between their development studios and Nintendo fans.

One of the things that has made Kickstarter so successful is that it allows consumers to feel as though they are a part of the process, rather than just someone who is being marketed to in order to sell them something.

having verified developer Miiverse accounts is the first step towards this. Eventually I'd really like to see them pull back the veil of secrecy a bit more and allow their fans to follow the development of games, feel like they could offer input, and interact more directly and consistently with developers.

 

[Interceptor]

Where are their new IPs that are on the budget and scale of their marios, zeldas and smash bros'? I'll ask again because despite this extremely simple question it has been twisted into a bunch of people playing stupid "ohhh they're moving goalposts" or "ohhh tiny handheld game like Steel Diver doesn't counnnnt?". Why is the question being dodged and people pretending they don't know what anyone is talking about? It's a very simple question.

It´s not beeing dodged. People answered this like ten times now.

But this is the typical anti Nintendo discussion. "If you don´t count this and that and don´t even think about using this.. then (insert topic here) is really really bad."

This actually applies to 90% of the discussion out there. Not just IPs.

 

[Hematocryal]

What a shitty game Super Mario Bros is. It has to be, it came with the system!

I never said it was shitty anyway, not that the nintendo wii mingames are either, but why bring that up in their new IP's column? XD I love castle minerZ but I'm not going to say that's what's keeping the 360 fresh hahaha. And those games are nothing special. But really beside their big hitters like mario, Zelda, n' all that, where are the other new first party IP's?! It's been like 20 years. Am I the only one that wants to see what else they can do?