VGLeaks Durango specs: x64 8-core CPU @1.6GHz, 8GB DDR3 + 32MB ESRAM, 50GB 6x BD...
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bigtroyjon
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It's surely lemon flavored and it's probably a low calorie sauce, don't want to get too full and bloated while you jump around in front of Kinect
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It's concentrated Mountain Dew.
Still more to discover. The specs are still incomplete.
pharmboy044
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Yep, new info instead of outdated info from the developer summit that took place in Feb 2012.
For both Durango and Orbis?
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Sony was the first company to work on blu-ray prototypes. They had concurrent partnerships with Phillips and Pioneer developing ultra density discs read via blue laser diodes. They were the first to unveil the technology at CEATEC. They were the first to file a patent for a "blue disc" optical technology. They were the first to release a consumer product using the technology. They're also one of the nine founding members of "Blu-Ray Disc Founders" which has since been renamed "Blu-Ray Disc Association". This nine member group was a small reduction from the founding members of the DVD Forum.
Right now Sony, Phillips, and Panasonic, the primary patent holders for Blu-Ray, have a joint licensing program running that last time it was reported charges $9.50 per player, $14 per recorder, $0.11 per read-only disc, $0.12 per recordable disc, and $0.15 per rewritable disc.
So yeah, I'd say they "own" Blu-Ray, at least moreso than anyone else could claim to.
dragonelite
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Is sony still majority patent holder.
But i think most of the people not up to snuff still think sony is sole owner of bluray because of the push and microsoft for HD dvd.
For the rest im gonna wait till gdc or when we have a more complete picture of durango and orbis.
Some already celebrating how orbis is 2 times durango and has a lean OS while forgetting that we are talking about microsoft a OS and software maker by heart and has very deep pockets.
Im more interested in what the rendering pipeline will be on durango tiled deferred rendering makes sense because of the smaller esram available.
Pipeline the tiles so that when the gpu is working on the current set of tiles the new set of tile data can be loaded in with the some DME and use some DME to write back the current tile set result back into main memory.
Maybe they can compensate the Geometry overhead from tiling with wizard jizz. That was one of the option a poster on B3D posted. Still im not the right person to make suggestions.
Reminds me of the stuff microsoft was throwing around before the 360/PS3 release.
http://www.pcauthority.com.au/Feature/23155,xbox-360-vs-playstation-3-according-to-microsoft.aspx/2
Ninja Moomin
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I just read it as 'wishful thinking' until someone proves otherwise.
No one who seems to be in the know has said anything about what it means... and even if there is something undisclosed, who's to say it isn;t just kinect related?
Umm, Sony takes a cut on every bluray player, recorder, and disks. Its not that big but technically MS is paying Sony for the bluray drive of the next xbox.
Its not of a big deal like people are claiming it. Companies do this all the time. Apple buying samsung made parts. Nikon, Panasonic, Olympus, and Apple buying Sony sensors for their cameras.
those fees are from 2009 or so, they will be A LOT less now
Minor things can still change though.
I can answer part of that. Its 6 calories normally but as its Wizards jizz it has a unknown multiplier.
Unfortunately, when a sample was sought, Merlin was suffering from depression and there was no viagra kicking around.
eso76
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interesting
Why don't MS and Sony produce there own GPUs? Or is this basically what happens, they pay a company for the right to produce GPUs for their consoles?
It would save a fortune, wouldn't it and allow them to include much more powerful GPUs than they could afford by buying them from NVidia and AMD.
It would save a fortune, wouldn't it and allow them to include much more powerful GPUs than they could afford by buying them from NVidia and AMD.
I asked this earlier in this thread:
Durango needs to have 2 GPUs right? The main Durango sku having both GPUs and the low cost download only sku having just one.
Using the low power GPU in pass-through mode, Skype, Apps and Arcade games. Both GPUs working together for the full 720 games.
Err No.
Can Crusher
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Worst trend in these threads are people quoting random B3D members. I mean really?
Anyway, wasn't MS really interested in basically just bringing back graphics programming to what it was before?
Like I think their ultimate goal is to make it so that the way you "talk" to the GPU and the CPU is in the same language so to speak.
I don't know enough about this crap, but I've read something like that before.
Anyway, wasn't MS really interested in basically just bringing back graphics programming to what it was before?
Like I think their ultimate goal is to make it so that the way you "talk" to the GPU and the CPU is in the same language so to speak.
I don't know enough about this crap, but I've read something like that before.
Quoting random B3D members instead of the actual programmers on there is really funny. And believe me, there are console warriors there just like there are on GAF. Some are more subtle about it.
CrunchinJelly
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DVD held it's fees between $14-$20 per player for an incredibly long time once it was the uncontested market standard. The entire point of the deal Sony, Phillips, and Panasonic made was to streamline the process for blu-ray licensing long term. There is no market factor that would dictate a need to further reduce cost as blu-ray becomes more and more the standard. It is already a historically well priced option.
Regardless, $9.50 isn't shit. $0.11 per disc isn't shit. In fact, that's a good bit less than what MS was paying for DVD (another technology Sony was a founding partner of) licensing on the Xbox 360. Sum total the move to Blu-Ray will actually be a cost savings in tech licensing for MS (obviously not in hardware), with only a slightly larger portion of that fee going to Sony.
R&D is by far the biggest expense in producing any chip set, followed by loss resulting from initially poor yield rates (which no one can get around, you obviously have a higher fail rate on a new product than an established one).
It would be worlds more expensive to R&D a contemporary GPU from the ground up compared to partnering with AMD/ATi who already has a massive portion of the work done for you.
Hell, for MS it'd be even more cost inefficient, as they do not even have that kind of staff or production line.
Even if this cost didn't exist the next problem would be the disparity of the new architecture with industry norms. This has been a consistent issue for Sony with both PS2 and PS3, hardware that deviated from what everyone was used to using, resulting in a steep learning curve. This chases 3rd parties away.
What MS and Sony are doing is exactly what 3rd parties and shareholders want to see. This will produce an impressive piece of tech without an even larger blot of red ink on the ledger than the new systems will already entail, while giving 3rd parties an environment to work within that will 1. make cross platform ports comparatively easy and 2. will not require them to completely re-learn their approach this generation or moving from system to system.
gaming_noob
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E3: MS shows Durango, slighly underpowered compared to Orbis, to be the Xbox set top box.
MEGATON: MS shows off their true next gen beast....$799.
Oh well.
eso76
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we know nothing about HDD though.
what we think we know is stuff about
CPU
GPU
RAM type and quantity
ESRAM
BD 6x 50GB
so unless the "wrong specs" and the ones that "have changed" are all about the BluRay drive, it isn't something minor.
Of course it could be a minor difference, though
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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Aren't skus and different machines different?
Anywho, I tweeted Paul he said:
" I actually don't recall. It was some sort of split architectural diagram. Was real. Now out of date."
That's the Yukon pdf from 2010 no?
And why would people doubt thurrot. He is one of the few people that we legitimately know has insiders at Microsoft.
He may be speaking to that Xbox Lite/Xbox TV thing.... Which may account for different architecture. I have zero insider info. I'm just going off of past trends.
yeah, it sounds like he is talking about the Yukon presentation which we all know is outdated. I imagine that is why we call it Durango, and not Yukon
I think if anything is likely to "change" it is the belief that we know a lot about the GPU (since it doesn't sound like GCN given the "shader core" nomenclature)
dragonelite
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God dammit highly concentrated wizard jizz and special sauce cocktails served....
gaming_noob
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Why did you quote yourself? "Random person" LOL
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Of course, I was just trying to say that the latest Orbis info isn't outdated.
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so sad
Oh lol
Oh god, this is so shameful if true.
Wait, what.
Gigaton: Durango and Orbis are the same console.
Felix Lighter
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How do you know they are the same poster? If they are, that is shameful.
Kill Your Masters
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Orango
Alx
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Heh, I've been thinking about that for some time... I would like it to happen just for the reactions on NeoGaf.
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Yes.
Babolinga
Just a test and some data.
Used GPUs :
AMD Radeon HD 7660D
AMD Radeon HD 7560D
AMD Radeon HD 7540D
AMD Radeon HD 6670
Nvidia GeForce GTS 450
Each of them have Vram.