LordOcidax
Member
In handheld mode how many TF can the console achieve at maximum GPU clock speeds?
DF - Nintendo Switch 2 Confirmed Specs: CPU, GPU, Memory, System Reservation + More
- Thread starter HeisenbergFX4
- Start date
Mr Moose
Gold Member
1.7TF. Max would never be used for handheld. If it could, it would be 4.3TF.
nordique
Member
The cpus are meh for what they are. Not good but not bad or "trash" tier. I classify jaguar in that trash tier and switch 2's are much better
LordOcidax
Member
They should add the option if we play with the Switch 2 plugged.
LordOcidax
Member
Compared to Jaguar even the Switch 1 CPUs cores are better… Switch 2 CPU cores are on another league compared to Jaguar cores.
Kataploom
Gold Member
Isn't it like 6GB fast RAM and 2GB slow RAM for games? While I think Nintendo will release RAM for Switch 2 in the future, I don't think they're as hurried as MS was
Fake
Member
ARM is normally crap in comparison with PC CPU counterpart, and to the discussion between Series S CPU vs NS2 CPU.
nordique
Member
It's not good compared to series s
But it's also a handheld with the same thinness as switch 1.
pc comparisons are fine but pointless to a degree unless you put it in context
Fake
Member
So, you need to say this to the guy I reply, not for me.
Baemono
Member
Tell me how something not available in every TV is more important than the console's screen itself ?
The Switch released during the PS4 4th year, and it could barely run any game of the generation, minus some heavy tweaks. The Switch 2 has already games that just being released or about to be released from day one (and not afterthoughts). And the games are still being released on PS4 (where the PS3 was long dead by the Switch release), it definitly won't age worse than the Switch.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
SW2 9GB For Games
Xbox Series S has 10 GB.
isn't the memory one of the biggest issues of the Series Suck?
graywolf323
Member
IIRC it still doesn't work on TVs for the Steam Deck, only monitors?
LordOcidax
Member
Looks like he talked with a developer that has the Switch 2 devkit. Also, with the "Let's the games talk" new approach for him, maybe his expectations changed for good when it comes to the Switch 2 real capabilities.
Last edited:
saintjules
Member
Shaki12345
Member
What's the point of leaving out VRR because a few people don't have a TV that supports it? Makes 0 sense.
kevboard
Member
well, yes they were.
all that was really missing was the clock speeds (and the decompression hardware).
we know the hardware of the APU for at least 2 years
Buggy Loop
Member
ChorizoPicozo
Member
it has at least 1 GB more than SW2. Is the split memory the actual issue?
LordOcidax
Member
The CPU/CPU Max speed info is new, and the dedicated hardware for decompression.
jm89
Member
Baemono
Member
That's not what they said they did
Shaki12345
Member
Let me rephrase: there is NO reason to leave out VRR on Docked when it is available in Portable.
Baemono
Member
If you can't figure it out how it would work, I guess that's a reason. The PS5 didn't got VRR from the get go. And the Switch didn't get bluetooth support before 2021 or 2022 I believe.
LordOcidax
Member
Eventually i think VRR is going to land via a firmware upgrade, maybe is not ready yet… Like the PS5. The good part is that is going to be Gysnc, i think the range of Gysnc is larger than the VRR, 40-60 if i remember correctly, simple VRR is 50-60.
Last edited:
Shaki12345
Member
I get exactly why Nintendo didn't get it to work.
They should have waited and make it work.
40fps without VRR is a nightmare unless the framerate and frame time is 100% perfect.
Last edited:
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
And custom nVidia GPU.
Buggy Loop
Member
Nintendo must have something they haven't shown for OS because they tripled OS usage. 2 dedicated cores of much better CPU than Switch 1, and 0.8GB → 3GB VRAM, while so far it looks pretty much identical to switch OS from what we've seen. The gamechat feature cannot cost that much ressources.
Or it could be dev kit memory allowances? I don't see why the console needs 3GB so far. Unless they plan for major OS change in the future.
Not to mention that this very gen is full on flopflation, years of crossgen and one of the weakest gen to gen jump ever seen in the history.
Switch 2 will have nowhere near the switch 1 impossible ports situations looking ugly as fuck.
Cyberpunk 2077 Phantom Liberty at launch, there's no excuses to ever not get a game running on it really, unless the game is really unoptimized or went RTGI with no raster fallback.
Its 8GB 128bit + 2GB 32-bit. The 2GB dedicated to OS at best. 8GB at best VRAM remaining for games, if it needs more allocation that are not game related and couldn't run on 2GB OS its lower. If something in OS needs high bandwidth it shrinks down. Reported numbers is 7.5GB usable for games.
Or it could be dev kit memory allowances? I don't see why the console needs 3GB so far. Unless they plan for major OS change in the future.
Not to mention that this very gen is full on flopflation, years of crossgen and one of the weakest gen to gen jump ever seen in the history.
Switch 2 will have nowhere near the switch 1 impossible ports situations looking ugly as fuck.
Cyberpunk 2077 Phantom Liberty at launch, there's no excuses to ever not get a game running on it really, unless the game is really unoptimized or went RTGI with no raster fallback.
Its 8GB 128bit + 2GB 32-bit. The 2GB dedicated to OS at best. 8GB at best VRAM remaining for games, if it needs more allocation that are not game related and couldn't run on 2GB OS its lower. If something in OS needs high bandwidth it shrinks down. Reported numbers is 7.5GB usable for games.
Last edited:
Baemono
Member
It's Nintendo, they still using Windows 7 computers
kevboard
Member
the issue with modern technology, and the companies that make products like this, is that it has become normal to either completely leave out features or limit them severely in the name of "simplicity" and "clean design".
I bet Nintendo could offer gsync/freesync support on launch, but not HDMI VRR. and they don't offer any of them because it wouldn't be a "clean and simple" solution for the average user as it would need too many disclaimers.
meanwhile on their built in screen it's just a default feature noone has to worry about.
for the docked mode they'd have to write something like "compatible with Freesync Premium and Gsync compatible screens that support them over HDMI and through Freesync Premium compatibility mode" or something along those lines
Last edited:
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Chat/parties is what I'm thinking
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Yikes. So SW2 is indeed better than Series Suck.
Shaki12345
Member
I get your point but other consoles have a VRR on/off switch and a little explanation. People who want to use it can turn it on, people who don't or can't can leave it off.
Problem solved. Now docked games will be handicapped, unlike the portable versions. I suspect Cyberpunk docked at 40 without VRR (and all 40fps games) to be a disaster in the making. 30 is already horrible enough on a modern TV.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Might be actual g-sync... which if true is even better.
LordOcidax
Member
And probably with OS optimization can free another 1-2 Gb for games in the future.
LordOcidax
Member
That's what i'm thinking. Probably is going to be Gsync only when docked, bot not many tvs have Gsync modules.
Last edited:
kevboard
Member
if they have issues supporting HDMI VRR then it wouldn't be this simple, at least not simple to communicate which type of screen is compatible.
even tho most TVs support Gsync/Freesync, it's not all of them. and many that claim "Gsync Support" actually rely on the fact that an Nvidia PC GPU will fall back to an HDMI VRR compatible mode. Sony TVs for example do that. Meanwhile other screens, mainly PC Monitors, will use the freesync premium compatibility that Geforce cards support as a way to be compatible with Gsync.
them using a display port to HDMI converter before outputting to a TV complicates things.
I hope they will patch VRR in as quickly as possible, but they only will do it I bet if they can get it to work on any HDMI VRR TV.
I'd love for them to just offer a setting with a warning that it's "experimental" or something, so that people who have decent TVs can use it. LG and Samsung TVs should have no issues for example as they support Freesync Premium, and with that should definitely be Gsync compatible even if they can't fall back to HDMI VRR.
Last edited:
Shaki12345
Member
I hope you're right and they patch it in mate.
t_wilson01
Member
What are you on about here? New game systems have always been compared to other systems and specially to the previous generation. How else would anyone have an idea of the improvements that were made?
Only since 2013 do we have consoles that could be considered similar to each other. The PS3 and X360 were very different from each other, yet that didn't stop anyone from comparing them. The same goes for all previous gens as well. By your logic, Switch 2 you not even be compared to Switch 1.
Your car analogy is equally flawed. Motor vehicles are compared to one another all the time, regardless of classification, powertrain, even number of wheels.
Physiognomonics
Member
Both XB1 and PS4 already had dedicated hardware for (Zlib) decompression. What kind of hardware exactly?
Last edited:
Hoddi
Member
Not by that much. A78C has a single core score of ~550 in Geekbench at 2.4ghz while Switch 2 only runs the CPU at 1ghz. Jaguar at 1.6ghz meanwhile scores around 180-190 in the same test.
Contrast this with the broadly Xbox/PS5 equivalent Ryzen 3600 which scores ~1500. Even with the lowered console clocks then they should still score north of 1000.
Kataploom
Gold Member
Gsync falls back to FreeSync doesn't it? My Samsung TV has FreeSync and VRR so any is good to me
kevboard
Member
most TVs rely on it falling back on HDMI VRR. Sony TVs have no Freesync Premium support for example, but they do support "Gsync".
LG TVs also support Gsync through HDMI VRR. on LG TVs (at least older ones like the C1 or C2) you can disable Freesync in the settings, which will only leave HDMI VRR enabled, Gsync will still work with these settings.
it's mostly (maybe only) PC monitors that rely on Nvidia's freesync premium compatibility to allow VRR through Gsync using GPUs
edit: from Rtings tests of the C1 for example:
it has 1 setting called VRR and G-Sync, and another setting called FreeSync Premium.
so it's Gsync certificate through HDMI VRR
Last edited:
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Switch OS wise, even thinking about Game Chat, I struggle to see the need of two full cores (these CPU cores are much faster per clock than the old ones too) and 3 GB of RAM reserved too. Was not the UI supposed to be… streamlined because it used very very little system resources?
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Well. higher res, higher GPU stress. So, yes
.
kevboard
Member
yup, I really hope they'll make it an opt-out for devs to free up resources down the line
LordOcidax
Member
Some Switch 1 third party games doesn't support screen recording to have more ram available, probably is going to be the same for Switch 2 in the future with the Chat… For launch titles i doubt it.
Hoddi
Member
Have they confirmed if it supports video captures? Those can take up quite a bit of memory and it's probably not coincidence that PS4/5/Xbox all reserve similar amounts.
When MS lowered the OS reservation on Series S then 4k image and video captures both got cut and it now only supports 1080p captures.