Pachter -PS4 will feature "hyperrealistic games" and "render games at 240fps"

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Dawg

Member
More Fun To Compute said:
Will render at 240fps to give the 240fps feel to gameplay but will only display at 30fps. This is stop the games looking like Korean soap operas with bad animation and anyway the human eye cannot see more than 30fps you idiots.
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yeah nah

If you can't see the difference between 60fps and 30fps, then you have a problem man.
 
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hammster

Archbishop of Canterburny
I really just can't stop laughing at Pachter's post in here. It's an incredible response. I just love that he's whining about us being assholes.
 
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Akkad

Banned
Clint Beastwood said:
I could make predictions to. At least mine would be in the realm of possibility.

I've been going on game forums since the beginning of this gen. I've seen hundreds of Pachter quotes. NONE of them were even close to being right.
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That's doesn't matter he makes money by making predictions, and I'm sure he doesn't give his boss discounts. I'm also sure his bosses don't expect him to be 100% accurate.
 
BibiMaghoo

BibiMaghoo

Member
ITT:

People don't read the posts and don't realise they are insulting a Gaf member that is posting in the same thread.
 
Tathanen

Tathanen

Get Inside Her!
michaelpachter said:
Yes, in fact, I said that the new processors would be "capable" of rendering at 240 frames per second. I didn't say "FPS", know what a frame is, and know that most movies are shot in 24 frames per second.

It is unlikely that anything will be made in higher resolution than 2 megapixel or run at faster than 60 frames per second, which is pretty realistic, but the new consoles are being built to last past the end of the 1080p display cycle. If we go to 4K display, which I believe is 8 megapixel, they may not have to run faster than 60 frames per second (and the size of game files clearly becomes an issue, regardless), but I believe that the processors can handle rendering faster than 60 frames per second.

You're free to disagree with me, perhaps we'll find out in a few weeks when Sony announces a new console. Although I agree that the viewing experience will not be materially improved at 240 frames per second, I'm pretty sure what I said is right, and that the new consoles will be capable of rendering at that speed.

For what it's worth, I don't think anyone wants to play a game with 5000 independently controlled characters on screen, but I'm pretty sure the new processors will allow some number like that as well. It wouldn't make sense to build that into the game, but I was asked what the difference in processing power would be, and I replied "probably around four times as fast in terms of data as the current generation consoles." When the follow up was "what does 'four times as fast' mean?'", I replied with the faster frame rate or greater number of characters quote.

I'm still amazed that so many GAF members have to be assholes when commenting on things I say.
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Come on man. Anything can render 240 frames if they ratchet the visuals down enough. The point is that to have a next gen machine render that many frames, you basically decide to not increase the quality of the visuals whatsoever. Processing power is all trade offs. We could have had a generation of 240fps games for the last six years if developers didn't give a shit about pushing the actual visuals. But they do, and always will. People buy the machines for those visuals, not famerates beyond the eye's physical capacity. Next gen machines will continue to push the graphical envelope, and we'll remain between 30 and 60 fps as usual.
 
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javac

Member
It's the notion that more equals better. More frames per second bro!!!

I mean really, even if it could
lol
why not just make it 30 or 60 which is the more you'll ever need and dedicate all the left over grunt to the graphics.
 
Sentenza

Sentenza

Member
More Fun To Compute said:
Will render at 240fps to give the 240fps feel to gameplay but will only display at 30fps. This is stop the games looking like Korean soap operas with bad animation and anyway the human eye cannot see more than 30fps you idiots.
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Wait, you are... serious?
Sorry, I can't tell anymore at this point.
 
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sphinx

the piano man
I H8 Memes said:
I know he posts here. That's why I called him a clown.
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well, in theory saying something offensive to another gaffer could be bannable so you should be careful with what you say... but on the other hand, he did call gaffers assholes so this thread is pretty much a cat fight contained in a cage, lol.
 
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Dark Octave

Banned
I don't think he understands how it works. 240fps is achievable, but devs will continue to push hardware to the point that frame rate will always suffer in place of graphics and effects. It will never matter how powerful the system.

The only reason PCs have such great frame rates is because they are over powered while devs are still making games for the under powered consoles then ported to the way over powered PC.
Lion Heart said:
Maybe he meant next gen consoles will be able to run current gen games at 240fps? For comparisons sake...
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This would make much more sense.
 
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Dennis

Banned
Thank God I can still play games at 19 fps on my PC while all you suckers play games that look like Korean soap operas on your fancy new "next-gen" consoles.
 
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Omega

Banned
Akkad said:
That's doesn't matter he makes money by making predictions, and I'm sure he doesn't give his boss discounts. I'm also sure his bosses don't expect him to be 100% accurate.
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No one says he has to. The nature of the job is that you will be wrong a whole lot more than you'll be right. but he has the most absurd predictions ever. However he reaches his analysis is a seriously flawed method and needs to be reworked because as it stands, he gets paid to say random shit. he can't even back up how he came to these conclusions.

Getting paid to work should require one to actually do work.
 
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dvolovets

Member
nbthedude said:
Why is this so crazy again?

DmC runs at 240fps for me on PC right now.

He didn't say all games would run at that speed. He said "capable."

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=508303
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Sure. It's not particularly far-fetched to assume that current-gen games will be able to run at a high fps considering the presumed PC-like architecture of next-gen consoles. But who cares? The "hyperrealistic games" aren't going to be the ones running at 240 fps. This also assumes that the way backwards compatibility is being handled will allow games to run at a higher fps. Has that ever happened before w/ consoles and backwards compatibility? Unless the assumption is that we'll be getting re-releases of current gen games specially designed to take advantage of the next-gen hardware to run at 240 fps (yeah right).
 
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javac

Member
Dennis said:
Thank God I can still play games at 19 fps on my PC while all you suckers play games that look like Korean soap operas on your fancy new "next-gen" consoles.
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Yeah man, I watched the hobbit in HFR 3D and it looked weird! 24fps is much more cinematic!

lol ;p
 
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NotLiquid

Member
michaelpachter said:
Yes, in fact, I said that the new processors would be "capable" of rendering at 240 frames per second. I didn't say "FPS", know what a frame is, and know that most movies are shot in 24 frames per second.

It is unlikely that anything will be made in higher resolution than 2 megapixel or run at faster than 60 frames per second, which is pretty realistic, but the new consoles are being built to last past the end of the 1080p display cycle. If we go to 4K display, which I believe is 8 megapixel, they may not have to run faster than 60 frames per second (and the size of game files clearly becomes an issue, regardless), but I believe that the processors can handle rendering faster than 60 frames per second.

You're free to disagree with me, perhaps we'll find out in a few weeks when Sony announces a new console. Although I agree that the viewing experience will not be materially improved at 240 frames per second, I'm pretty sure what I said is right, and that the new consoles will be capable of rendering at that speed.

For what it's worth, I don't think anyone wants to play a game with 5000 independently controlled characters on screen, but I'm pretty sure the new processors will allow some number like that as well. It wouldn't make sense to build that into the game, but I was asked what the difference in processing power would be, and I replied "probably around four times as fast in terms of data as the current generation consoles." When the follow up was "what does 'four times as fast' mean?'", I replied with the faster frame rate or greater number of characters quote.

I'm still amazed that so many GAF members have to be assholes when commenting on things I say.
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You should probably explain your prediction of Fuse while you're at it. Can't wrap my mind around that one.
 
legacyzero

legacyzero

Banned
EGM1966 said:
Wait what? He sounds like a crazed character from Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy.
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GlassBox

Banned
Gotta love being an "analyst" these days. You can make up any shit you want and as long as one tiny thing you say managed to be somewhat accurate, you're set for life.

I mean, his ideas and predictions are so vague and far out there that they are practically useless yet could easily be interpreted as correct only after the fact. Some are bound by percentages to be right but most will turn out wrong.
 
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Zeal

Banned
I want a full body yeti suit like that for my dog, man.

Pachter, will you buy my dog Buttersworth a full body yeti suit?
 
M

michaelpachter

He speaks, and we freak
hammster said:
Genuine question: When you say stuff like this do you think "This'll probably be a GAF thread"?
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On Tuesday, I'm taping a show dedicated to how GAFfers are (mostly) smart and are (mostly) assholes. It should be fun.

Yes, I always wonder what will set GAF off, and this was truly an innocent comment. To be honest with you, I have no idea how many frames per second the human eye can process, am pretty sure it's more than 60 fps, since we can all see the difference between 30 and 60, but I have no clue if we can see more than 120 fps, or if we can even see that. I was merely explaining to Cliff Edwards that four times the processing power would make the machine capable of rendering at that speed. I have no idea what the games will look like, which features they will incorporate, but my guess is that the specs will be sufficiently powerful that developers won't be particularly constrained from getting the look and feel that they desire. As one commenter pointed out, PC games have once again moved past console games, and each new generation of consoles allows the consoles to partially catch up.

GAF usually reacts if I comment on technical specifications, charging more money for anything, or make any comment that has the word "Nintendo" in it. To answer your question, I always presume that if I talk about any of these topics, GAF will go ballistic.

And as you pointed out, I'm amazed at the asshole factor on this website. The asshole/civil ratio must be 2:1 or more.
 
TGO

TGO

Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Emitan said:
Next gen consoles are not high end PCs.
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Yeah but the games current Mid-high end PC's can run at 120fps will look like PS2 games compared to the Nextgen games, just saying....
 
R

Router

Hopsiah the Kanga-Jew
michaelpachter said:
On Tuesday, I'm taping a show dedicated to how GAFfers are (mostly) smart and are (mostly) assholes. It should be fun.

Yes, I always wonder what will set GAF off, and this was truly an innocent comment. To be honest with you, I have no idea how many frames per second the human eye can process, am pretty sure it's more than 60 fps, since we can all see the difference between 30 and 60, but I have no clue if we can see more than 120 fps, or if we can even see that. I was merely explaining to Cliff Edwards that four times the processing power would make the machine capable of rendering at that speed. I have no idea what the games will look like, which features they will incorporate, but my guess is that the specs will be sufficiently powerful that developers won't be particularly constrained from getting the look and feel that they desire. As one commenter pointed out, PC games have once again moved past console games, and each new generation of consoles allows the consoles to partially catch up.

GAF usually reacts if I comment on technical specifications, charging more money for anything, or make any comment that has the word "Nintendo" in it. To answer your question, I always presume that if I talk about any of these topics, GAF will go ballistic.

And as you pointed out, I'm amazed at the asshole factor on this website. The asshole/civil ratio must be 2:1 or more.
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To be fair, everything sets GAF off.
 
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Dennis

Banned
michaelpachter said:
On Tuesday, I'm taping a show dedicated to how GAFfers are (mostly) smart and are (mostly) assholes. It should be fun.

Yes, I always wonder what will set GAF off, and this was truly an innocent comment. To be honest with you, I have no idea how many frames per second the human eye can process, am pretty sure it's more than 60 fps, since we can all see the difference between 30 and 60, but I have no clue if we can see more than 120 fps, or if we can even see that. I was merely explaining to Cliff Edwards that four times the processing power would make the machine capable of rendering at that speed. I have no idea what the games will look like, which features they will incorporate, but my guess is that the specs will be sufficiently powerful that developers won't be particularly constrained from getting the look and feel that they desire. As one commenter pointed out, PC games have once again moved past console games, and each new generation of consoles allows the consoles to partially catch up.

GAF usually reacts if I comment on technical specifications, charging more money for anything, or make any comment that has the word "Nintendo" in it. To answer your question, I always presume that if I talk about any of these topics, GAF will go ballistic.

And as you pointed out, I'm amazed at the asshole factor on this website. The asshole/civil ratio must be 2:1 or more.
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Reiko

Banned
michaelpachter said:
On Tuesday, I'm taping a show dedicated to how GAFfers are (mostly) smart and are (mostly) assholes. It should be fun.

Yes, I always wonder what will set GAF off, and this was truly an innocent comment. To be honest with you, I have no idea how many frames per second the human eye can process, am pretty sure it's more than 60 fps, since we can all see the difference between 30 and 60, but I have no clue if we can see more than 120 fps, or if we can even see that. I was merely explaining to Cliff Edwards that four times the processing power would make the machine capable of rendering at that speed. I have no idea what the games will look like, which features they will incorporate, but my guess is that the specs will be sufficiently powerful that developers won't be particularly constrained from getting the look and feel that they desire. As one commenter pointed out, PC games have once again moved past console games, and each new generation of consoles allows the consoles to partially catch up.

GAF usually reacts if I comment on technical specifications, charging more money for anything, or make any comment that has the word "Nintendo" in it. To answer your question, I always presume that if I talk about any of these topics, GAF will go ballistic.

And as you pointed out, I'm amazed at the asshole factor on this website. The asshole/civil ratio must be 2:1 or more.
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It's just not... technically... feasible... To have 240fps and high end next gen graphics.

Did you take a look at Star Wars 1313? It ran on (rumored) 3 680s and could only muster up 30fps.
 
legacyzero

legacyzero

Banned
michaelpachter said:
On Tuesday, I'm taping a show dedicated to how GAFfers are (mostly) smart and are (mostly) assholes. It should be fun.

Yes, I always wonder what will set GAF off, and this was truly an innocent comment. To be honest with you, I have no idea how many frames per second the human eye can process, am pretty sure it's more than 60 fps, since we can all see the difference between 30 and 60, but I have no clue if we can see more than 120 fps, or if we can even see that. I was merely explaining to Cliff Edwards that four times the processing power would make the machine capable of rendering at that speed. I have no idea what the games will look like, which features they will incorporate, but my guess is that the specs will be sufficiently powerful that developers won't be particularly constrained from getting the look and feel that they desire. As one commenter pointed out, PC games have once again moved past console games, and each new generation of consoles allows the consoles to partially catch up.

GAF usually reacts if I comment on technical specifications, charging more money for anything, or make any comment that has the word "Nintendo" in it. To answer your question, I always presume that if I talk about any of these topics, GAF will go ballistic.

And as you pointed out, I'm amazed at the asshole factor on this website. The asshole/civil ratio must be 2:1 or more.
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There certainly are worse forums, though.

AHEMGAMETRAILERSAHEM

you're good peoples Pachter :p
 
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