You do realize Microsoft just changed the entire description of their company to devices and services right?
Microsoft is more than interested in services they are making them their goal.
VGLeaks: Durango GPU detailed
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You do realize Microsoft just changed the entire description of their company to devices and services right?
Microsoft is more than interested in services they are making them their goal.
AgentP
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It also cut the frame rate in half. always about the compromises.
Hair jaggies...
That isn't the reason why Horizon if 30fps.
Did you pay attention to the additional graphical effects on display, on top of it being open world?
What side are you betting on?
It also is a large open road game. Always about the perspective.
MSAA doesn't solve transparency aliasing or shader aliasing(shimering etc).
He is right that this can cause artifacts,( Lottes discourages it IIRC) but on the perceptual level,MSAA + PPAA seems to work well indeed.
That isn't a fair comparison as it also went to a open world format with a 20 km draw distance and streaming textures. Not to mention traffic, dirt physics, dynamic day/night cycle, dynamic interior lighting and so on.
Probably only marginally better though. 3rd parties aren't going to create assets or build an engine they can't port to the other system, it's just not economically viable.
If these specs hold true what we're probably going to see is a slightly larger gap than the current pro-X360 tilt, but it will be entirely tied to things that can be scaled easily like PC ports currently do. Slightly better framerates, maybe a few more games running at higher resolution, less tearing, things like that. They won't look like different games.
First parties are the ones who can differentiate there, and is most likely the motivation behind Sony's 1st party heavy focus. Naughty Dog, Guerrilla, and Polyphony are already top tier developers, giving them a tangible hardware edge is going to result in a very real difference.
If the current hardware rumors hold true the first party games sure won't. But then, is it enough extra power to make a gameplay difference? Probably not, so then it's just window dressing.
Once PC devs can catch up in terms of assets, sure. But early on they'll suffer from the same issues that have held them back for several years now - who'll fund developing top tier PC assets when you can't bring them to the consoles? PC games will see a big step up once the Orbis and Durango have been out long enough to raise the bar industry-wide, but the PC segment will again plateau a few years after that when no publisher wants to fund a game they can't put out on all three formats, halting asset enhancement.
metareferential
Member
It runs at same framerate most racing games normally run at. GT, mainline Forza and maybe just Burnout Paradise run at 60fps.
And since it's not a simulation, it's a perfect choice, given the incredible visual end result.
I don't remember "slinging around labels" at all. I just suggested there was a good chance had had no real intention on buying it in the first place.( you know shitting on something without seeing any actual software for it) Not sure where your getting "hurt feelings" from either, but i see some folk are in full on console warrior mode in this thread so again....whatever.
mugurumakensei
Member
They also have loss of detail due to the way fxaa works. I should amend my statement by saying I dont like FXAA. MSAA + SSAA are much better For IQ.
Appollowexx
Member
I'm inclined to go with Sony purely because of Versus... but now you've said that I'm not so sure hehe. No, I'd still say Sony.
I'm honestly curious to know how come the so called insiders didn't know or tell anything about the Orbis GPU having twice the ROPs...it was a key info unlike the different secret sauces we've heard about and yet no one mentioned it.
Should have been known since the lastest vgleaks article about the Orbis GPU.
Should have been known since the lastest vgleaks article about the Orbis GPU.
Well, FFXIV is technically PS exclusive if you ignore the PC version. And a game Sony actively courted. Take from that what you will.
Of course, for playing a console game on TV it's neglectable imho.
We will see with what the devs come up.
Not to mention it is a locked 30 fps just like Forza 4 is a locked 60, all I meant is that it's possible on current hardware at 720p so on next gen hardware on launch I expect similar specs.
gundamkyoukai
Member
I would bet on Sony since at least they going to sell in Japan most likely .
Still you never know Japanese companies are being crazy or maybe SE will make it for all HD systems .
Every game is about compromises with the technology and art assets. What is your point? That games should not combine AA and FXAA? That Forza Horizon was not a clean looking game?
SneakyStephan
Banned
Think of the most dissapointing (hardware wise) smartphone released this year.
Compare it to this:
Spelling it out: What you are doing is ridiculous, technology moves fast,everything will compare favorably compared to 8 year old tech, whether it be graphics hardware, cpus, phones, tvs , car engines etc...
Seen a 2005 lcd monitor or tv lately? Yeah fuck that...
Time didn't stop in 2005, the rest of the world moved on despite fixed hardware like consoles existing.
That's the developers tho. They could have easily toned a few things back to help performance - but because PS360 were close this gen - devs shot for parity - which ultimately fucked one group over another.
If there is a noticeable divide - so be it. I'd rather have a game look slightly under par but perform great than a game that looks great but runs at 15fps.
Devs need to build for each console and forget about parity. Do the best they can with each individual piece of hardware.
Salacious Crumb
Junior Member
I think he means Multiplats will still look best on PC.
alexandros
Banned
Is this a joke? I played Gears of War on a P4 with a 6600gt, on 1280x1024 and on high details. You are completely wrong.
AgentP
Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
It wasn't a criticism, I was trying to point out that when you have twice the time per frame you can add more stuff for IQ.
Ah so the FFVII remake will come back, this time as a game LOL
(that would be quite the megaton if announced in the February presentation).
ACH1LL3US
Member
What makes you think that the jump from PS3/360 > PS4/720 won't be as big?
From what it looks like, the jump is much larger then from PS2/Xbox > PS3/360.
There is much more time from this gen to next gen versus the previous time.
I think the jump will be much larger and we will finally get consoles at launch that won't be loud and HOT....
Zuhzuhzombie!!
Member
Who's using a 10 year old GPU?
They're slowly getting here in The Netherlands, football app, a couple of tv networks, cable provider apps...
Also, I am positive they'll bank on easy converting Windows 8 PC apps to Xbox 720 apps...
They seem to be making the concious choice, to be within 75% performance of their top competitor with (I assume) lower costs (or more margin)
Baconsammy
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Like they were blown away by the "unprecedented accuracy of Move controls"?
Games and controllers. If Microsoft does little with theirs and shows a reliance on Kinect, they can kiss my ass. Likewise if Sony sticks with the awful DS controller, they can as well.
SneakyStephan
Banned
Msaa worked on the hair in the luminous tech demo, look at the tech demo where they mess with the options. When he turns off msaa the hair becomes a jaggy mess, and the fur on the coat (because fxaa is still on) loses all detail.
It's the fxaa on its own that is garbage for the hair since it would hide all the detail and individual strands in a mess of blur.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpRQ245wfpA&feature=player_embedded
30 seconds into the video, you see him turn off MSAA and it shits on the look of the hair and the coat.
There is a higher image quality better encoded non youtube version of this video somewhere but I couldn't find it.
Appollowexx
Member
I wouldn't be shocked if the first 'next-gen' Final Fantasy is console exclusive. That's all I'm saying. Maybe we'll see Agni running on PS4 in a few weeks...
mugurumakensei
Member
Eh not really. The jump from 360 to Durango is 6 - 8x and from PS3 to PS4 about 8x.
lol are you kidding? Way to miss the point man.
Support doesn't mean effective use. Not that hard to grasp I think.
shinobi602
Member
Not sure what you're getting at here. 360/PS3 owners will be in for a huge treat with the 720/PS4, visually speaking.
you don't seem to understand, supporting 8xMSAA on hardware isn't anything special or new, actually it has to support it, doesn't mean you can expect it to perform well in real world scenarios with next generation games, it will eat up all the bandwidth and frame rate drops way low.
ACH1LL3US
Member
How do you figure?
iamshadowlark
Banned
Why hello there mister strawman.
mugurumakensei
Member
From the rumored specs of the new consoles and the known specs of the current ones.
Is esram much more complex than edram? 360 has 10MB of edram using only 100m transistors. Like for like, 32MB would then be 320m transistors, not 1.5 billion
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
Yeah, I don't think 1080p is happening with these specs.
Raw specs combined with architectural advancements should make for a nice performance increase overall.
Again I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.
Even if Sony actively courted Square, didn't MS not want to make the same concessions they did with Live to gain FFXI?
The only other thing I can think of is that Square wanted to launch FFXIV on current gen consoles and MS is ready drop the 360 completely once 720 launches, which falls inline with previous support for the Xbox after the 360 launched in 2005.
alexandros
Banned
If they've never seen a PC for the past four years, sure.
Except, that is likely what will not happen. They will have a central engine that will be ported to both console and the one that presents least headache during the procedure will end up with the superior version, big or small. This is the way to control costs and the reason why the both next consoles are comparatively bereft of idiosyncrasies in design that defined PS2 and PS3.
Yeah, I don't think 1080p is happening with these specs.
Eh, I think well see 1080p but other things might take the hit or vice-versa.
Proelite
Member
Yeah, I don't think 1080p is happening with these specs.
I don't think PC flops is directly comparable with Durango flops.
Paracelsus
Member
I think we'll see an inverse trend, generation starting with 1080p up-ported PS360 games and as they get used with the new hardware detail is gonna increase and res (and filters?) are gonna decrease.
It's also a demo not optimized for those consoles, of course it's pushing way ahead. We will get visuals like this, but some compromised and there will be optimization work to be done (or already has been done).
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