alexandros
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I don't think PC flops is directly comparable with Durango flops.
Are you questioning Epic on their technical knowledge?
I don't think PC flops is directly comparable with Durango flops.
Like they were blown away by the "unprecedented accuracy of Move controls"?
Is esram much more complex than edram? 360 has 10MB of edram using only 100m transistors. Like for like, 32MB would then be 320m transistors, not 1.5 billion
You do realize Microsoft just changed the entire description of their company to devices and services right?
Microsoft is more than interested in services they are making them their goal.
Are you questioning Epic on their technical knowledge?
To me it looks like like orbis is this gens equivalent of dreamcast or gamecube.
well designed bang for the buck hardware with the emphasis on the buck.
Whereas durango looks like it lacks any equal. Its blue ocean with out nintendos retarded cheapness.
As it looks like now id take orbis over durango anyday of the week. But im still generally disappointed.
Ah so the FFVII remake will come back, this time as a game LOL (that would be quite the megaton if announced in the February presentation).
Why hello there mister strawman.
Eh...thats a little harsh. Both consoles are major leaps over their predecessors. Orbis just seems to be just more of a leap.
Yeah, I don't think 1080p is happening with these specs.
Not sure what you're getting at here. 360/PS3 owners will be in for a huge treat with the 720/PS4, visually speaking.
The answer to your question is in the sentence on the same line right before the conclusion you are replying to.How is it not? We still play games on it that look pretty damn good for the hardware. It isn't obsolete yet so it becomes part of the discussion because it is still the main focus for Microsoft until the next Xbox comes out.
I'm talking about rationalising one being significantly weaker than the other, or both being weak or anything else by saying it'll be better than the last consoles.
8 years have passed... the 360 isn't a valid metric to judge hardware performance by in 2013.
If they've never seen a PC for the past four years, sure.
Games and controllers. If Microsoft does little with theirs and shows a reliance on Kinect, they can kiss my ass. Likewise if Sony sticks with the awful DS controller, they can as well.
Also keep in mind that devs are going to want to release games that look way better than Samaritan next gen.Keep in mind that Epic said the Samaritan demo was extremely unoptimized and UE4 is much, much more efficient.
>Denies he uses a strawman.First of all, learn what strawman actually means. Second, how am I wrong? The general public doesn't give a shit. GAF says Wii is doomed to fail (lol waggle). Public can't buy enough of them fast enough. GAF says Kinect doomed (LOL jumping around like a fool in front of a camera). Kinect extends the life of 360 by years. GAF says Vita's gonna kill 3DS (Power rawr!). Vita flops. Tell me again how much the general public cares about specs. If whatever fad game/feature comes out next is exclusive to one console, that's the one the public is going to buy. That's what sells consoles/handhelds to the masses. Microsoft is most likely going to market the Kinect as more accurate etc etc blah blah Consumers wont care. The newness of the device is gone. It better have something more than upgraded specs or it will get ignored.
Also keep in mind that devs are going to want to release games that look way better than Samaritan next gen.
Uhh, neither of those fill me with confidence when comparing them to a new console.
How is it not? We still play games on it that look pretty damn good for the hardware. It isn't obsolete yet so it becomes part of the discussion because it is still the main focus for Microsoft until the next Xbox comes out.
>Denies he uses a strawman.
>Responds only to "GAF".
Too funny.
you don't seem to understand, supporting 8xMSAA on hardware isn't anything special or new, actually it has to support it, doesn't mean you can expect it to perform well in real world scenarios with next generation games, it will eat up all the bandwidth and frame rate drops way low.
At 720p. I'm calling it now.And they will.
Also keep in mind that devs are going to want to release games that look way better than Samaritan next gen.
First of all, learn what strawman actually means. Second, how am I wrong? The general public doesn't give a shit. GAF says Wii is doomed to fail (lol waggle). Public can't buy enough of them fast enough. GAF says Kinect doomed (LOL jumping around like a fool in front of a camera). Kinect extends the life of 360 by years. GAF says Vita's gonna kill 3DS (Power rawr!). Vita flops. Tell me again how much the general public cares about specs. If whatever fad game/feature comes out next is exclusive to one console, that's the one the public is going to buy. That's what sells consoles/handhelds to the masses.
Can anyone explain the Orbis spec bump that aegies mentioned? Is it just the Memory going 2GB>4GB or is there more to it?
Looking at the road map VGLeaks put out there doesn't seem to be anything else or I'm missing something.
Has it bothered the majority of console owners this gen that much? We're still going to see extremely high fidelity games from these consoles.
Yeah, I don't think 1080p is happening with these specs.
Yeah, it's a completely valid point. Phil Harrison save us.I'm skeptical, but I've yet to see what they have in store. Still, Microsoft is nonexistant in devices and services here. In the US they have at least some services on Xbox LIVE. Have you ever compared EU LIVE to US LIVE? If that is an example of things to come, then it's game over MS.
I'll be disappointed if it's 720p.
I'm talking about rationalising one being significantly weaker than the other, or both being weak or anything else by saying it'll be better than the last consoles.
8 years have passed... the 360 isn't a valid metric to judge hardware performance by in 2013.
You're going to see that for both consoles. Given that most console owners sit at a distance from their TVs 720p will be an attractive compromise for developers.
I just don't understand it. aren't epic rumoured to have been helping microsoft build this console? seems very strange that it's now incapable of running their next gen tech demo.
Firstly, gaf isn't a single opinion, it is a community with multiple opinions, as shown by you and the poster you are replying to.
And secondly, gaf is made up of Core gamers, and these largely adopted the x360/ps3 over the wii - not surprising, when you look at it like that. And the HD twins were, you know, HD, which sold a lot of software. Like a lot lot. if it's not clear, by this I mean they were better specced than wii.
Yeah, it's a completely valid point. Phil Harrison save us.
Devs need to build for each console and forget about parity. Do the best they can with each individual piece of hardware.
Not really apples to apples comparison there, but I agree that we aren't likely to see many 1080p games. Consumer appreciation for the 720p v. 1080p gap isn't large enough to sacrifice the visual advantage.Yeah, I don't think 1080p is happening with these specs.
Instead of bringing up points to counter mine let's just call me a fanboy and be done with it I guess?
Really if you think the PS4 will match a 2012 high end PC with a i7 and a GTX 690 you're out of your mind, or a i5 with a GTX 580 for that matter.
I'll even go down to a 560 ti 448 and a i5 and still it won't match it and that's mid range.
Yes, and while they're at it they should forget about making money too.
Not really apples to apples comparison there, but I agree that we aren't likely to see many 1080p games. Consumer appreciation for the 720p v. 1080p gap isn't large enough to sacrifice the visual advantage.
I'm just hoping we see every game run at a native 720p, no more sub-720p res. games like what CoD does.
Surely the fact that BOTH these new consoles will be outputting visuals significantly more advanced than the current ones (which still looked pretty darn impressive to me) should be good enough for you guys?
Surely the fact that BOTH these new consoles will be outputting visuals significantly more advanced than the current ones (which still looked pretty darn impressive to me) should be good enough for you guys?
Especially if the rumor that Sony is adding 4 more gigs of ram are true.
Yeah, I don't think 1080p is happening with these specs.
No 3rd part developer is involved in building either consoles. What they can do is lobby though.
Quoting myself for the new page. Anyone have any ideas?
I just don't understand it. aren't epic rumoured to have been helping microsoft build this console? seems very strange that it's now incapable of running their next gen tech demo.
You're going to see that for both consoles. Given that most console owners sit at a distance from their TVs 720p will be an attractive compromise for developers.
And Samaritan doesn't even look that much better than what we currently have. Games like Beyond Two Souls and GoW Ascension look almost indistinguishable from Samaritan.
Diminishing returns...
That is not the point, it's not about what people think is acceptable (standards vary wildly depending on the frame of reference people have), but about how it compares to what is out there on the market right now.
The consoles don't exist in a vacuum, the value and merit of what is in them should be compared to modern hardware, not to 8 year old hardware.
People who do mental gymnastics to avoid doing this are just rationalising, nothing more, nothing less.
You don't have to even have an opinion about these specs to realise this.
Reminds me of 8 years ago when Sony fans lovingly referred to the 360 as Xbox 1.5.