GillianSeed79
Member
Uhhh? I can't tell if you are joking, but I'll try to explain it. The PS4 will be able to stream PS4 games to Vita's screen. They weren't saying Vita will suddenly be able to play PS4 games.
The Wii U in a worse or better shape after the PS4 reveal?
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Uhhh? I can't tell if you are joking, but I'll try to explain it. The PS4 will be able to stream PS4 games to Vita's screen. They weren't saying Vita will suddenly be able to play PS4 games.
I never said someone will do it, also not that third parties will do it. I just pointed out some possibilities which only the WiiU could give out of the box, but the PS4 can't. And yes, of course at the moment third parties don't have a financial motivation to put any effort into WiiU versions of their games or even do WiiU versions at all. I just wanted to point out, that the WiiU definetly has the potential to have a value the PS4 doesn't have when you don't purchase another console.
Also imo the "fact" that costumers on Nintendo consoles don't embrace third partie games is a little bit trouble some, because we haven't seen serious third party effort on a Nintendo system since the Super Nintendo because of various reasons. I'm pretty sure that on WiiU good third party efforts can be succesful thanks to free advertising through Miverse (Ubisoft once said they are happy with ZombiU's sales for example), but I'm not talking about late ports without any effort like ACIII (which I actually own on the WiiU). Trine2 for example outsold the 360 version on WiiU.
And also of course the gamepad is not the greatest thing coming to gaming since the analog stick, but it has great potential, in special for local multiplayer,and we definetly will see some innovative use for it.
crazy monkey
Banned
i just did that.
shinra-bansho
Member
Better: It's getting Watch_Dogs at least. Worse: PS4 has vacuumed all the conversational air up. Durango will do the same. Mindshare will diminish even further.
No chance.
I see the consoles as complementary. WiiP4U ftw.
I would just suggest people to wait for E3
shinra-bansho
Member
Where both Microsoft and Sony will fully unveil their next generation products for the world to see.
Sorry, but I can't see how Nintendo has anything left in their arsenal to combat that at E3. They already shot their proverbial wad of game announcements for the foreseeable future via Nintendo Direct to no avail.
Alcoholikaust
Member
Nintendos consoles are always gonna be a little different. Give us some excellent games and maybe I will use my WiiU again regularly (I am digging that MH3U demo).
People who think Nintendo has any interest in "bringing it" at E3 are about as bad as those thinking Sony's just pulling punches to save stuff for E3. The reality is E3 doesn't mean anything anymore when you can put out a video in a day's notice.
walking fiend
Member
To fully unveil what exactly? I doubt they can manage to even show tech demos for more than 5 games exclusive to their consoles that will be available in the launch window; unless you believe suddenly a Next-gen exclusive Halo can be made in 12months, almost everything this E3 on Nextbox/PS4 will be multiplat, with the best version on PC.
The E3 itself doesn't matter, maybe Nintendo airs their own ND just before E3; however, if anyone has anything to show that will be available till the early next year, it will be shown at E3; if nothing particular is shown, it means it's almost definitely far away from being released.
I must have missed that period.
Check E3 2011 and the months afterwards
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Yeah, that's why at the Direct they announced all the big games debuting at E3.
You haven´t seen the WiiU ND last time, didn´t you?
maverick40
Junior Member
Will a new Mario Kart, Smash brothers blow minds at E3 though? We know what to expect from these Nintendo IP's. The exact same as the last iteration except in HD.
Microsoft and Sony will be pumping out new games at E3 and showing their new console. What can Nintendo show that will actually trump that?
The answer is nothing.
maverick40
Junior Member
This annoys me, why can't we enjoy Microsoft and Sony for games? Is this all Nintendos fans have left?
Microsoft and Sony will have the flair, technology, power and amazing games too. Some people need to get off their high horse.
Vermillion
Banned
Yes, they will. Those two alone make BANK, my friend. Then add in a bit of Zelda (regardless of being a remake) as well as more footage about other things we already know about and it'll be an impressive E3.
At any rate, for me, I think it's in the same shape. And after Watch Dogs was announced for Wii U (all I really wanted, tbh) InFamous is the only PS4 exclusive that I want. And as cool as the social features are, I realized when I bought a 3DS over a Vita (I actually really wanted one beforehand) that unless there are people there, there's no reason to bother with it. No one I know owns a Vita, so all of it's features are useless to me. It's what it is. That's not to discredit PS4 - I will wait and see - the fact that Watch Dogs is on Wii U allows me to do that.
Besides, if PS4 gets Versus, I'll have to buy it anyway, yes?
shinra-bansho
Member
I'm referring to the Wii U one, they showed some nice logos; some nice X footage. And? You think that showing Mario Kart U will overshadow new consoles?
Again, there is nothing that they can show that can trump that. Just as for the prior E3s a game announcement(s) couldn't trump the Wii U for mindshare.
Microsoft has been busy building studios, afaict. Sony have had a lot of studios "idle" for extended periods of time; half of Naughty Dog, half of Santa Monica.
And at the end of the day they'll have every major third-party publisher on board, which frankly will mean a lot more than any exclusive they can crap out in time for launch.
Will a new Killzone, Infamous blow minds at E3? We know what to expect from these Sony IPs. The exact same as the last iteration.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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You seem to have left out two of their biggest projects(conveniently??): EAD Tokyo's Mario and Retro's game. No one knows the style of the former and no one knows anything about the latter.
maverick40
Junior Member
Graphics wise, yes of course. I was in awe at the Killzone stream. We don't even know what games are going to announced from 3rd parties and 1st parties for Sony and Microsoft.
You know that these two IPs are more popular than any Sony game? Of course they would cause a lot of hype, also it´s not llike Sony games are any less predictable more fps and racing games, but so far less people are interested in Infamous, Killzone and especially Knack a game that will flop miserably in my opinion and there was the need of Capcom to save the day again.
Glass Rebel
Member
I don't think anything has changed. They weren't going to win the audience Sony seems to be targeting anyway.
Nintendo has the advantage that they are (so far) the only console with a second screen though. They "just" need the right software like they did with Wii Sports on the Wii. It's not going to be easy though.
Nintendo has the advantage that they are (so far) the only console with a second screen though. They "just" need the right software like they did with Wii Sports on the Wii. It's not going to be easy though.
Yeah. Killzone looked visually nice. It still looked like fucking Killzone though, and I have no interest in paying for what will assuredly be an expensive piece of hardware for that. Hell, it already isn't a very popular franchise on PS3. Why would that change next generation?
People are putting a lot of faith into Retro's ability to offer a system seller, but I haven't seen anything of that level from them since MP3:C, back in 2007. While I enjoyed that game, it certainly had its fair share of flaws, with many of the best parts being lifted from the preceding games in the series (controls not withstanding). While DKCR was great (really great), the vibe I'm getting is that people want to see something that really makes the Wii U scream - a showpiece title. I wonder what Retro are actually capable of. They have the benefit of the doubt, based on their consistent track record overall, but a lot has changed since 2007 - I really, really want to see them set E3 on fire for Nintendo, but I'm not as convinced that they will as others seem to be.
EAD Tokyo on the other hand, seem to be masters of their craft, and I fully expect to get a glimpse of another special game from them.
Edit: Not calling the quoted poster out on the Retro point, btw. Just commenting on the vibe that I feel is going around.
There are about a trillion things that can happen till all 3 consoles are available. We know little about Nintendo's arsenal, we don't know how the price difference will look like in the end. E.g. a 250 Wii U Premium vs. 500 PS4 might change things a bit. We know almost nothing about the 720. But still some people here claim to know the outcome of it all .....
I too think it's weird how hyped up Retro is. I think they do fine work, and I LOVED MP3, but... for them to be getting the hype like "Man, RETRO'S game is the thing that'll get me to buy a WiiU. Man, Nintendo HAS to show Retro's game..." It's weird to me.
They seem to be a fine developer, and no one can doubt that Metroid Prime was a very formative game for some people, and deservedly so. But... yeah. I dunno. It's weird. I hope they do excite me at E3 though.
Nintendo have done nothing to hype it
No one knows what a wii u is . I tell people at work Nintendo has a new wii out and they get so confused
Why does the stock market shit itself every time a new console comes out? I would have thought it would be the other way round. New product, new income, money to be made for investors surely? Not that I'm a financial whiz at all.What
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
What
Buy on rumors; sell on news.
That's how the stock market always works.
Exactly.
Nintendo knows this.
I'd be surprised if they aren't doing it for a reason.
It's not like they don't have the cash for a massive advertisement campaign.
PdotMichael
Banned
PS3 and 360 are Wii U's biggest problem at the moment, not the PS4 or Microsoft's new system.
More expensive than the other current gen consoles without to offer a real technical leap or an unique software lineup.
More expensive than the other current gen consoles without to offer a real technical leap or an unique software lineup.
Majmun
Member
Yeah, I'm sure Nintendo's plan was to flop during the Wii U's massive headstart and then make a comeback once the Ps4 and the next Xbox arrive. That must be it! Damn, Nintendo is so smart.
This could be said for pretty much every game on every system. It's such a moot point. I have no interest in buying another version of NSMWU, and i'm most definitely not interested in buying a console for it, which, to me, looks like a way to finally play said game on a tablet, albeit a very expensive and technically inferior tablet. And that's the way the cracker crumbles. Nintendo fans will see the ps4 reveal as something that betters the WiiU position, while all the other fans will see it in the exact same dire position. Meanwhile, we're all way too clouded to have a real notion of the rest of the world.
After watching again, the quote around 28 minutes is:
Satoru Iwata said:
Plans for a 3rd party ND are sketchy after all.
At 35 minutes he also says:
Satoru Iwata said:
Hmm. I still expect a 3rd party ND fairly soon.
Maybe they don't think that it is wise to push it too hard before a more solid library of games?
KojiKnight
Member
Because new consoles = loss.
I know it seems counter intuitive, but it's true. New consoles are usually cost subsidized to try and push out as many consoles as possible with the thinking that you'll make that money back via software sales. It, historically, takes about 2-3 years for a console to start turning a profit. If you don't plan on long term investing, it's best to get out of a console maker's stock at announcement and then maybe buy back sometime during the first year after release when the stocks are down.
PapaJustify
Member
So I fired up my Wii U again yesterday (after a while) to get F-Zero and the Monster Hunter 3 demo. And in the light of recent announcements of the PS4 the Wii U just looks and feels one huge step behind.
Of course the Wii U hasn't become any worse since it's launch but when you see the PS4 and its advanced technology and the new concepts Sony is planning it really made my head ache yesterday about some of the decisions made for the WiiU OS, especially regarding User Experience (I could start an entire thread about this). Of course I haven't seen much, not to say didn't touch anything PS4 yet, but the sluggish Wii U OS seems sooo far behind now.
This is not supposed to be a Wii U bash or anything. Just my personal astonishment about why Nintendo put the Wii U together so carelessly, partially ignoring technological advancements completely.
Of course the Wii U hasn't become any worse since it's launch but when you see the PS4 and its advanced technology and the new concepts Sony is planning it really made my head ache yesterday about some of the decisions made for the WiiU OS, especially regarding User Experience (I could start an entire thread about this). Of course I haven't seen much, not to say didn't touch anything PS4 yet, but the sluggish Wii U OS seems sooo far behind now.
This is not supposed to be a Wii U bash or anything. Just my personal astonishment about why Nintendo put the Wii U together so carelessly, partially ignoring technological advancements completely.