Yes, at this point in order to keep the overall latency to a minimum, the only way to go is hard wired to your PC.
Oculus Rift unboxing and article
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Yes, at this point in order to keep the overall latency to a minimum, the only way to go is hard wired to your PC.
There is a convergence of software and hardware technology that allows consumer VR in and beyond 2012 to be much better as well as cheaper than ever before. You can read the details about that in every early article about the Rift.
Who knows? Why should that affect our excitement? We are enthusiasts.
Maybe, maybe not. See above.
Because large corporations lack vision and agility, and (like you) have given up on VR. The only reason the Rift even happened is because Palmer was building it literally in his garage.
As you say yourself, Oculus is a tiny company. They can't afford to pay off hundreds of journalists and dozens of developers. Or do a huge PR blitz. Thus, it seems very reasonable to assume that the hype is genuine.
He clearly hasn't seen or read any coverage. This isn't some device that gets shown without anyone being allowed to demo it; hundreds of people have tried it at this point, and the reviews have been overwhelmingly positive. These reviewers run the gamut from regular people at conventions to tech journalists, none of which have any reason to bullshit.
Dreams-Visions
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If you really, really want to try it now. Otherwise, no.
Who cares? Enthusiasts can keep very niche products going for decades.
Then when everybody else 'gets it' we can be all hipster about it and go back to CRTs.
I LOL'ed at this note too:
Some weapons are held very low which makes it hard to tell which you have equipped (e.g. Demo's grenade and sticky launchers). Try looking down.
I'm hoping that there is an easy way to open up the devkit and put in our own display. I can see 7 inch 1080p+ displays becoming very affordable before the consumer kits come out. From all the impressions it sounds like, besides positional tracking, the resolution is the biggest factor holding the devkit back.
If you really want to try it now and don't mind it being low-res and most support being experimental.
Just read trough it. Sounds reasonable, few things broken, few things left to experimentation, but sounds like it will be great for testing the game.
I'm just glad its already implemented. It's not "coming soon" or "coming in the next few weeks" anymore, it's there and ready for people to use the moment they get their kits. Very cool.
I eagerly await the HDMI consumer version then with full surround audio.
Nothing has ever worked until it worked obviously and big companies aren't always the most creative. Not sure how anyone can doubt that millions will want a VR device done right either.
Support is a genuine question though so far its looking good, also its not a big enough concern to explain your lack of understanding in other peoples hype. This looks like the first legitimate VR gaming device, it'll have niggles like any other first. But its still going to be exciting to use this kind of thing for the first time and its still going to push other companies forward into even better VR devices. Which is exciting in of itself. Again I don't understand anybody, especially a gamer, who wonders why people would be excited about a device which will push us further towards full immersion into the games we play. You know this thing is also 3D and moves your view realistically with the movement of your head yes?
I'm not an expert, but I think that would require a change of lenses, a change in the SDK code, etc. I'm sure it can be done (people have been making their own DIY Rifts since the design was revealed) but it wouldn't be easy.
I don't think people quite grasp how big of a paradigm shift this could actually be. Since the 1930's we've been looking at flat screens for our entertainment and information. The 20th century was dominated by it. So over the last 80 years The screens have gotten bigger, clearer, better but we're all still constricted to a framed image. What happens when you take that frame away and people can actually be INSIDE the entertainment? The oculus rift is the average consumers first taste of what could dominate the way we spend time and get entertainment in the next 80+ years.
CrashPrime
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FUUUCK I MISSED THIS LAST TIME (it was a woot one day sale like a week or two ago). THANK YOU!
Bought.
!!!!!
Anyone seriously considering trying any development, or demoing any development of "hands on" VR, this device was specifically recommended by Palmer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWRVGlwkAx4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FatcGuk9suY
I don't see any changes needed to the lenses or warping code as long as the new screen is the same dimensions as the old one. As long as that's the case the existing equipment will show the same image, just at a higher resolution. Devs will need to allow the higher resolution ingame but that should be it.
I'm planning on buying the consumer version of the Rift. Can you tell me why I would want this? How much does it normally cost? I need to be convinced to buy it. How long will this sale last?
Edit: 2 more days. ok. I need to head to the bank and make a deposit so I can afford this thing if it's going to seriously enhance potential OR experiences.
If this was a road block back when videogames first started they would have never got anywhere..
Watch videos of it being used in Portal 2 if you want to see what it's capable of. I can't bring myself to buy one personally because I don't know what kind of support there will be and in what games. I'll probably kick myself (and then spend twice as much on one) when Portal 2 support comes around for the OR, but it's a risk I'm willing to take.
The short list of OR add-ons is the PS Move, the Wii Motion Plus, the Leap Motion, and the Hydra. No one knows which will come out on top.
Yeah. There's a guy who does it with HL2 and a home-made Rift and it seems very accurate.
CrashPrime
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It's a dev toy. If you are waiting for the consumer version, you can probably wait on this too. I edited my post with a couple of youtube vids showing some basic functionality.
Here's portal 2 eyefinity (huge FOV) with the hydra:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZWjbfL6qH4
I haven't seen many people talk about this, but anyone else just as excited by the prospect of having a virtual movie theater to watch movies and play videogames as they are about fully immersive vr games?
http://youtu.be/85KtcZ4NNL4
http://youtu.be/85KtcZ4NNL4
It'd be a lot of fun, but the low-res is gonna hamper some actual movie-viewing until we get the consumer+ model.
I don't know if it would even be worthwhile at 1080p.
Doesn't the dev kits have a substantially lower resolution than the final build?
Have it networked, with Microsoft Avatars and party chat and you can experience the noisy busy cinema without leaving your home.
They definitely want to up the resolution of the consumer version, but nothing has been announced yet.
I was hoping the same, but from the Verge article today:
"Setup is a breeze, just a matter of plugging in three cables and installing the software on a sufficiently powerful PC, a few minutes to adjust the Rift precisely to your head, and then a click on one of the included samples in the Oculus SDK to jump right in. Theres a simple demo of sensor fusion to let you see how the Oculus motion tracker works in three dimensions, a barebones room with some hand-coded virtual objects to navigate, and then the pièce de résistance: a picturesque cliffside villa named Tuscany. The feeling the Oculus Rift gives you is really beyond description, but Ill try anyhow: With the 3D visuals, the wide field of view, and the motion tracking that shows you whatever your head points at, it feels like youre truly in another world... only youre looking at that world through a mesh helmet. The reality is that youre seeing the actual rows of pixels, but your brain fills in some of the blanks."
Could be more, but they only mention those. Even if Tuscany is the only fully rendered sample demo, that's fine. I was fearing that they wouldn't supply any. And now that the TF2 update has already been released, we know there are 2 things that will work 100% for sure Day 1. Hawken is still planned for Day 1 support but as far as I know it hasn't actually been implemented yet.
Looks like some crazy input lag on that.
It does. Did I imply that it didn't? O_O
The more scenic areas to just walk around in on day one, the better.
I've very infrequently read of the screen door effect with the Rift. Seems like it's something people notice at first but then quickly goes away as they get sucked into the game.
Haint
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The guy who did that open source Oculus driver and now I believe works for Oculus in some capacity said they don't have the rights to distribute most of the demos, so many of them will not be available. Do they not have to acquire some type of rights to demo stuff at trade shows, or put it on national TV (Jimmy Fallon)? I guess the community will probably rip installable packages out of the UE3 and Unity SDK's, but it's weird they couldn't get rights to publish them on the Oculus dev hub.
call_kotaku
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it seems like they're aiming for a 5-inch 1080p panel for the consumer version. What companies make those for phones? I have no idea about resolutions for mobile devices.
Dreams-Visions
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I'll definitely be waiting for impressions. I tried the Sony headset thing and the screen dooring was just too much for me. Had to pass on it.
Only if they still offer the barebones kit. I have multiple headsets from gaming related to music recording, not to mention a decent home theater rig now. This way costs will be kept down. If they used quality components to match the immersion I wouldn't doubt seeing this thing's price double or more if they added audio.
Price of entry is one of the key points this thing has going for it.
Samsung?
I didn't mean to imply you did.
I was actually just asking. Wasn't sure about the answer. I was really tempted to order this, so I could play it early. But I'm not sure if it's worth dropping $300 to get a downgraded version (resolution wise). I mean, if you aren't a dev, you are basically biting the bullet to get early access. Which there is nothing wrong with that. But I know for a fact I'll be buying the consumer build. So I would basically be paying twice for this.
Still, really jealous of everyone getting to try this out so early.
CrashPrime
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I haven't seen it in action yet, but lets not forget this thing has a higher native resolution than the DVD format.
The dev kit is 1280x800, with the horizontal resolution split in half (so each eye receives 640x800). The retail Rift should be 1920x1080 (960x1080).
I'm planning on selling the devkit Rift when the consumer Rift is imminent. I'm sure someone will want it, even if I only get a hundred or two for it. Then again, I might keep it so that I can A/B the two and really see the difference.
Dreams-Visions
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That statement would excite...if it was 2004.
The Sony headset gave 720p to both eyes with high-quality OLEDs and it still left a lot to be desired.
People previously had exposure to the old 5 inch screen, which may have had a less pronounced screen door effect.
Always hoped it would take off, I see this as innovation moreso than anything like MOVE, Kinect, etc.
The only thing holding back full immersion is the fact that a game is on a rectangle in front of you, would love to eventually watch HDTV nature shows with it and a pair of nice headphones, on top of games of course. Open my window in the middle of winter while wearing it and play Skyrim, it's like I'm really there.
The only thing holding back full immersion is the fact that a game is on a rectangle in front of you, would love to eventually watch HDTV nature shows with it and a pair of nice headphones, on top of games of course. Open my window in the middle of winter while wearing it and play Skyrim, it's like I'm really there.
ThaiGrocer
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Great value as a dev device. The future is coming a little faster than I expected. I'm dying to see what will happen after a few more iterations.
VR is going to be a huge part of everyone's future, (not just gamers).
Watch this space!
That's true. Well, since you're one of the first backers, you'll have to let us know how it is!
ndawgdrake
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Won't be getting my dev kit till May, but honestly I'm not interested in a non-Oculus native "patched in" modes of TF2 or Doom 3. Sounds like a puke fest.
I'm more interested in taking in the scenery slowly with a Oculus session of a fully modded version of Skyrim. The only exception is racing games, which would seem like a blast even if it were just patched in and not built from the ground up for Oculus.
FYI, some third parties are already developing software to make current games compatible with the dev kit upon release. Google "VorpX Driver."
I'm more interested in taking in the scenery slowly with a Oculus session of a fully modded version of Skyrim. The only exception is racing games, which would seem like a blast even if it were just patched in and not built from the ground up for Oculus.
FYI, some third parties are already developing software to make current games compatible with the dev kit upon release. Google "VorpX Driver."
Jon of the Wired
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According to this blog post the new screen has a less pronounced screen door effect than the old one.
ndawgdrake
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Also wanted to comment on the new 7 inch screen they are using. They have stated that while the pixel density won't be as high, the new screen is better in many ways including faster fill rate, less motion blur and lag and it's brighter.