Female soldiers will not be playable in Battlefield 4's multiplayer or singleplayer
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Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
I don't think this is a big deal at all. Shoehorned diversity everywhere != good. In fact it might even come off as offensive if it is done as a second thought.
Adding women doesn't bolster the experience or harm it. In fact adding women might cause more controversy, can you imagine the back lash? "EA SUPPORTS SENDING WOMEN TO THE SLAUGHTER IN WAR" sure it is sensationalist but you can bet your ass mindless sheep will get behind that argument even though it makes no sense.
It would be nice if women soldiers were in the game, I think it would be more fun if you randomly respawned as a woman instead of selecting one. It would make their addition feel less like it was done as an appeasement and more like just another part of the game that should feel standard.
I don't think it is the job of a game to try and represent everyone equally, I don't really know how to phrase that properly but it sounds worse than how I mean to say it.
Adding women doesn't bolster the experience or harm it. In fact adding women might cause more controversy, can you imagine the back lash? "EA SUPPORTS SENDING WOMEN TO THE SLAUGHTER IN WAR" sure it is sensationalist but you can bet your ass mindless sheep will get behind that argument even though it makes no sense.
It would be nice if women soldiers were in the game, I think it would be more fun if you randomly respawned as a woman instead of selecting one. It would make their addition feel less like it was done as an appeasement and more like just another part of the game that should feel standard.
I don't think it is the job of a game to try and represent everyone equally, I don't really know how to phrase that properly but it sounds worse than how I mean to say it.
Fudgepuppy
Banned
When they create skeletons for animations, don't they just add pivots that they can adjust however they seem fit? Seems like a non-issue to say that they would require different kinds of hitboxes or completely different animations.
Halo Reach and Halo 4 did it, without problem.
Halo Reach and Halo 4 did it, without problem.
Same with the original Tribes.
That's not a justified excuse. And any potential "shitstorm" by such an incident would be intrinsically sexist by relying on the notion that women should be treated differently than men (i.e. no women should be knifed in the back).
They already have female character meshes, textures, voice-work and animation rigs in the singleplayer campaign. Additionally, you are turning the issue into a business case.
So you've got a model for the Chinese female character already, and you can't be bothered simply pasting her skeleton to the game's multiplayer classes?
Sorry, I don't develop games and am under no illusions that I would know better than what Lars is saying in any other situation. But COME ON.
Sorry, I don't develop games and am under no illusions that I would know better than what Lars is saying in any other situation. But COME ON.
Dark Octave
Banned
I'll take a wild guess and say not only is the main character for BF4 a male but he's white as well.
SHOCKER!!
Guess it seemed to suit the story?
SHOCKER!!
Guess it seemed to suit the story?
I wonder how far we can go back.
'Shoehorned diversity?'
Not including female soldiers is just another lazy way of saying that female gamers don't matter to the publisher. Better FPS games such as Clancy series shooters have had them for ages. Another big recent shooter, Planetside 2, has them. Where's the excuses now?
Not including female soldiers is just another lazy way of saying that female gamers don't matter to the publisher. Better FPS games such as Clancy series shooters have had them for ages. Another big recent shooter, Planetside 2, has them. Where's the excuses now?
Guys. What's the big deal here. Everyone knows that in real life, good guys wear white hats, and bad guys wear black hats. Broken down, good = male, white skinned; bad = male, dark skinned. See? No room for females. EA just wants their experience to be as visceral and authentic as possible. They're not going to introduce fantastical elements to a sequel of a videogame about terrorists using Russian portable nuclear devices to try to start a war between Russia and the United States. What next, you're going to be asking for US soldiers to be sent to mainland China? Pfft.
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
Or recent! DayZ had playable female characters.
Kadayi
Banned
^Truth.
It's all very well for people to pull the 'outrage' card, but ultimately the benefits of fidelity don't outweigh the inevitable media ass fucking that would ensure if they included female combatants. Might as well complain about the lack of children in most games.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
But GTAIV, the go to game for media shitstorms, had female avatars in it's multiplayer and yet no one kicked up a stink about that. There are plenty of multiplayer games where you are allowed to pick female avatars.
Also, it's not like EA are afraid to bait controversy, they dealt with the same sex couple debate fairly well for ME.
I know but that's how people in the mainstream act. Like I said they're goddamn stupid, but it won't stop them from whining.
chickdigger802
Banned
Every thread seems to be 'bf4 not gonna...'. Hope some of the rumors are true.
'submarine mp? Just a cinematic sequence in sp'
'submarine mp? Just a cinematic sequence in sp'
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Didn't make much difference in BF3 and in MP I don't think. "Where are all the women?"
Won't make a difference in BF4 either.
Won't make a difference in BF4 either.
shinobi602
Member
Gmail? Where did I say it's not thread worthy?
Razgriz-Specter
Member
Last game I played with female soldiers was
even Ghost Recon cut them from Future Soldier
Man I have lost 100% of my hype for this game.
Battlefield 3.25
even Ghost Recon cut them from Future Soldier
Man I have lost 100% of my hype for this game.
Battlefield 3.25
partyphone
Banned
Okay there might be a shitstorm about it but would it hurt or help sales?
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
I'm trying to get my head around why people think there would be a shitstorm over this particular game having women in it's multiplayer...? What makes it different from the other slew of games with female avatars and more media courting subject matter?
In Reach you can already stab female players right in the face with a knife with one of the assassination animations
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xK33k_AF6QE
(actually literally does it to a female player in the example video)
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
Planetside isn't a huge release like BF4, not to mention it is sci-fi and not real world grounded. Finally it isn't on consoles so parents don't have to watch their kids seemingly knifing women in the neck in their living room.
That's why there is no shit storm.
partyphone
Banned
Because women would be getting killed in multiplayer. Which happens in other games.
But this game is high profile and the media likes making stories out of nothing. So there might be a controversy.
Which is an extremely lame excuse and it's clear that people are grasping at straws. The most likely reason for not including women is that they don't feel like it would sell more copies of the game.
The below MP shooters didn't spawn any "outrage", so it's not a probable scenario:
UT99, Quake Arena, also were games with playable female characters in multiplayer mode.
If the parents are watching their kids knife people in Battlefield they have bigger issues than female soldiers.
I'm pretty firm in my belief that this is only DICE and EA being lazy.
Also, the highest profile game right now, BioShock Infinite involves:
disturbing violence against women
what amounts to practically lynching in the first 30 minutes
colossal amounts of racism
mockery of USA
If devs obeyed the possible outrage card, Infinite could not have been made at all. That's not a healthy attitude for the industry in the long run unless it wants to continue solely being lowbrow entertainment for teenage boys.
See? EA is all about the gir- Oh.
Gaming marketing is so dumb sometimes. They think we're all lonely sweaty men
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
Their thought process is probably, Battlefield (to my knowledge) hasn't had women soldiers ever so why "waste" resources and add them now?
Rhazer Fusion
Member
This isn't surprising. I bet they wouldn't add females even if they were in demand. Then again, I doubt any of those manly men playing BF4 would use female soldiers because they would be afraid it would tarnish their macho image.
Agreed. That would also say that it's totally fine to knife a man in the back, but how dare you to knife a woman in the back. Hypocracy at its best.
From distance I wouldn't perhaps care but meleeing a female soldier would definitely rustle my jimmies. I know that in the battlefield, it's either kill or be killed (soldier first gender second) and the idea is even more reinforced in a game where respawning is factor. That said, I'm uncomfortable with the idea of killing women in games.
And I hope that doesn't somehow through some weird twist of logic makes me a sexist.
And I hope that doesn't somehow through some weird twist of logic makes me a sexist.
Unspeakable Evil
Member
Makes you wonder how Gears got away with it and headshots, executions, heads being stomped on.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
GTA IV has a much higher 'shitstorm factor' and you can play as women in MP. I don't recall it ever being one of the many problems brought up by Jack Thompson in the past. As yourself and others have pointed out, there are plenty of titles that do exactly the same and there has been not a sniff of a problem.
Your point about it not selling as much if it had a lady as the main character in SP is bang on the money (excuse the pun), if recent stats are to be believed.
Nah, you're being a gentleman
Did you play RDR? How did you ever get through Mexico?On a side note, your post does imply, using my weird logic twisting device, that you are quite comfortable killing men in games.
Gaming marketing is so dumb sometimes. They think we're all lonely sweaty men
To be fair, I remember reading threads after the first PAX which were like "Dudes, please shower and wear deodorant."
Women get killed in lots of video games, and women get killed in combat in real life. I don't think there would be a shitstorm.