Anton Sugar
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Not that this is widespread, but we did have a poster in this very thread saying that BF is a war game designed for men and they shouldn't compromise their game by adding women in MP.
Female soldiers will not be playable in Battlefield 4's multiplayer or singleplayer
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Not that this is widespread, but we did have a poster in this very thread saying that BF is a war game designed for men and they shouldn't compromise their game by adding women in MP.
Sorry I may have left some context out there out of frustration.
The last line I said was directed at the media in general. I'm wise enough not to come to a gaming forum to discuss world events.
Impeccable
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I'd play one just because I could.
I chose a female Shepard because I wanted something other than the generic male leads we've been bombarded with.
I chose a female Shepard because I wanted something other than the generic male leads we've been bombarded with.
ubersticky
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Alucrid, why did you make that initial antagonizing and misrepresenting post of yours when you have actual arguments??
Evidence? I am simply pointing out that what is supposed to be the representative of DICE didn't bother to display any reasoning or elaborations that payed respect to egalitarian values. It is safe to presume that Sarkeesian's visit was aimed at such values.
Duckroll hasn't posted in this thread. The technical issue has been to some extent refuted time and time again.
What does that have to do with the option of playing female soldiers in a game?
Whether or not the "talk" was well ahead of the production of BF4, the representatives of DICE should have learned enough about gender representation to respectfully discuss the issue when they have to explain gender-related design decisions.
Evidence? I am simply pointing out that what is supposed to be the representative of DICE didn't bother to display any reasoning or elaborations that payed respect to egalitarian values. It is safe to presume that Sarkeesian's visit was aimed at such values.
Duckroll hasn't posted in this thread. The technical issue has been to some extent refuted time and time again.
What does that have to do with the option of playing female soldiers in a game?
Whether or not the "talk" was well ahead of the production of BF4, the representatives of DICE should have learned enough about gender representation to respectfully discuss the issue when they have to explain gender-related design decisions.
Flightmare
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Anton Sugar
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All this would be a non-issue if DICE were to release mod tools. However, this is literally impossible, as you apparently need to be a rocket scientist to understand the intricacies of the Frostbite "Higgs Boson" engine.
I like to get you riled up.
So because one person didn't not want to or was unable to disclose further information on their design process the entire thing ends up as a wash for the company as a whole?
It was Nirolak, my mistake.
Cross thread polination is all the rage these days.
The only refutation of the technical issues I saw is that they have the wire frame or animation or model or w/e in the single player already, if there's anything more in depth that you can point me towards, even better if it was from someone who makes games, then that would be great.
Did anyone really say this? The only argument I remember was that women had smaller hitboxes and this would create a balance issue.
Anton Sugar
Member
I do agree that hitboxes COULD be a concern, but with all the gear that characters wear, I really don't think it would be an issue.
Also, someone mentioned that Blacklight Retribution has male/female models, with slightly different hitboxes that don't really impact gameplay.
And then there's this:
KojiKnight
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Goldeneye managed this back in the N64 era... not seeing where the real issue is here.
thesuperfunk
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The top international stories in the NYT today are:
U.S. Begins Stealth Bombing Runs Over South Korea
Damascus Students Killed in Mortar Strike
Turkey Reverses Plans to Deport 130 Syrian Refugees
Should these not have been reported, and instead a story involving ??? in Afghanistan and Iraq?
Odd Job player models confirmed. Balance issues here we come.
KojiKnight
Member
Slightly extend the hitbox to match male proportions... Is it really that hard? Nope... but it is easier to keep women excluded if they don't.
partyphone
Banned
Way to support the christian white male cultural hegemony you cis-scum!
I think it has way more to do with the work that having a different skeleton, rigging, and animation set would cause, then if little johnny is ok with shooting women in the face.
you can force the male skeleton on the female models but they are going to look like alice the goon. or they can make the male skeleton kind of female -ish, and then you have something that looks like the sims.
figure every animation would have to be recaptured from female mo-cap, and/or hand animated for that new skeleton.
I remember something about uncharted having to make all the multiplayer models have the exact same vert count and vert order to share animations. huge pain in the ass.
the hitbox mention earlier is really interesting, hadn't even thought about that aspect.
you can force the male skeleton on the female models but they are going to look like alice the goon. or they can make the male skeleton kind of female -ish, and then you have something that looks like the sims.
figure every animation would have to be recaptured from female mo-cap, and/or hand animated for that new skeleton.
I remember something about uncharted having to make all the multiplayer models have the exact same vert count and vert order to share animations. huge pain in the ass.
the hitbox mention earlier is really interesting, hadn't even thought about that aspect.
partyphone
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well then it's super convenient that there are female characters already in the game.
Anton Sugar
Member
This is a spectacular example of missing the point and (whether you intended or not) incorrectly viewing "choice" as an attack.
No one said there was anything wrong with playing as a male character. Some people, however, would appreciate the choice between the two.
Ripley: [pointing to part of gun DICE is showing her] What's this?
DICE: That's the grenade launcher. I don't think you want to mess with that.
Ripley: You started this. Show me everything. I can handle myself.
DICE: I dunno, market research shows it might upset part of our target demographic
DICE: That's the grenade launcher. I don't think you want to mess with that.
Ripley: You started this. Show me everything. I can handle myself.
DICE: I dunno, market research shows it might upset part of our target demographic
So good.
DICE: Hey Vasquez, have you ever been mistaken for a man?
Vasquez: No. Have you?
SuperEpicGuy
Banned
Why not? There's nothing else that needs changing apart from those 2.
TUROK
Member
New model, new set of animations (assuming that they haven't already been made for the female character), new textures, new lines of dialogue, hitbox balancing troubleshooting.
You make the men and women the same height and give them the same simple hitbox.
This problem is so solved
Has anyone seen this? Apparently it's soldier models that Activision is making for it's next gen games.
I think this is a woman soldier. And can anyone honestly tell me they have a problem with this as opposed to men soldiers?
I mean even if few people use this model only, it's still more inclusive than not having it. It's not about social engineering or propaganda, but about equality and inclusiveness.
I'm sure out of 10 models to choose from in multiplayer, they can make at least 1-2 women.
Metal Gear?!
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Call of Duty now has playable women in multiplayer, several months after Aliens Colonial Marines at that. What's DICE's excuse?