Female soldiers will not be playable in Battlefield 4's multiplayer or singleplayer
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OriginofHysteria
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I think its yes and no. At least in the US Military, females do fight but they don't engage in front line combat. Correct me if I'm wrong though as i heard they were looking at changing that (or did change it)
Razgriz-Specter
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Lightning Lord
Banned
I dunno, same reason why the game isn't coming to Wii U? They want to focus on delivering something good rather than taking "risks".
BibiMaghoo
Member
I believe it is now allowed. Not allowing combat rolls for women led to them being unable to progress through military ranks, as they would be passed up for promotion in favour of those that had combat experience. This was deemed unfair, rightfully so.
MoonLightWave
Member
No ofcourse not, but you know that male/female ratio in the army is very big.
It's not difficult, it just takes development time.
Females just aren't first priority in military shooter.
Only hated that one stealth mission with her. Oh man, so many retries but yea, great twist.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
So, why is there no outcry about games that already have female avatars/soldiers in them?
This isn't the first time EA have had to deal with controversy recently:
http://kotaku.com/5989551/ea-acknowledges-things-can-get-better-when-it-comes-to-gay-issues-in-video-games
Mithos
Member
Take a wild guess.
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
Hahaha you do realize how awful the hatch animations in DayZ are right? It would be same as killing some one by whacking them on the head with a fishing pole, hell the hatchet even makes that goofy "totally not a bullet" sound when you swing it.
The knife kills in BF3 are more like
Edit: You know that guy kinda looks like a lady if they touched up the texture a bit
BibiMaghoo
Member
Well, are they future or science fiction games? Ie, not real world?
That would make quite the difference, as we have seen in the past with games basing villains in real world countries.
They don't like it, it is personal then.
BattleMonkey
Member
Or decade of no women in majority of shooters. COD comes out each year with no female models in MP and no one has raised a single fuss about it. Now it matters suddenly?
COD again this year will probably have no female models in MP and you won't hear a thing about it despite it being the number 1 selling MP focused FPS on the market
MoonLightWave
Member
If it is a RAM issue i'm gonna be pissed on current gen consoles.
That's hardly graphic, its like a butter knife.
The lack of women in COD has been pointed out many times in Tropes vs Women discussions
They tend to limit games in a lot of ways.
For example, at one point Mass Effect 3 let you use biotics and explosives to tear up things like catwalks, but it caused the AI pathing of enemies to blow their performance budget, so it got removed from the game.
Holstering your weapon also got removed to save ~3 MB of animation data.
"Why is this a problem? I have a filthy penis and I don't care. I am a hollow humanoid crust, and I don't see why this is important. Why should women be equal? I hold open a door. I masturbate constantly and am filled with loathing. Political feminectic brigade, manufactured outrage. Forever alone. Mother"
Just cause you didn't hear about it doesn't mean no one raised a fuss. And I wouldn't be at all surprised if COD does have women this year, or next year if Nirolak is right about the ram constraints.
doubleplusgood
Member
I imagine it had something to do with the rumors that there would infact be female characters in BF4, so it spawned a discussion. If there wasn't any such rumor there would probably not be a discussion about it.
Anton Sugar
Member
O NO THEY KNIFIN WOMENS
Get over yourselves. Modern militaries have moved forward with treating female combatants as equals and some of you are still stuck in decades-old thinking.
I don't have any statistics to back this up, but I'd have to think you're in the minority here. Every FPS I've played over the past year alone (BF3, PlanetSide 2, Blacklight: Retribution, COD, War Z, Arma 3, Borderlands 2, to name a few) are based around first person interaction where you rarely see the player. I think it's becoming more and more important for players to feel that they have their own identity in online shooters, or at least have the option.
I will say that I didn't really care for BF3's character customization, primarily because it was so limited, but also because it never saved my camo selections :-|
Get over yourselves. Modern militaries have moved forward with treating female combatants as equals and some of you are still stuck in decades-old thinking.
I don't have any statistics to back this up, but I'd have to think you're in the minority here. Every FPS I've played over the past year alone (BF3, PlanetSide 2, Blacklight: Retribution, COD, War Z, Arma 3, Borderlands 2, to name a few) are based around first person interaction where you rarely see the player. I think it's becoming more and more important for players to feel that they have their own identity in online shooters, or at least have the option.
I will say that I didn't really care for BF3's character customization, primarily because it was so limited, but also because it never saved my camo selections :-|
BibiMaghoo
Member
It is NOT every womans right to fight in their countries armed forces, nor is it every mans right to do so.
It is everyones right to be themselves.
This comparison is stupid.
Razgriz-Specter
Member
Because in COD it doesn't matter. run out get a kill, die, repeat.
you are just generic infantry fighting generic infantry.
Battlefield is more specialized, even going so far as to change the character skin when you're a pilot or letting you change your camo. you can be whatever you want in Battlefield(I fly the transport chopper around entire games without shooting a single time for example).
Mithos
Member
The knife kills in BF3 are more like
Edit: You know that guy kinda looks like a lady if they touched up the texture a bit
I can already see the headlines in newsmedia if that had been a female character.
"Videogame lets teenage gamers stab females in the chest/breasts". /Yes newsmedia they are this stupid.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Socom and MGO spring to mind for military shooters with female MP avatars.
I get your point but with real-world villains I'd say it is a little different; that's more about representing an entire country through an often stereotyped pantomimic villian. That's very much an ideaological issue. I'm not really sure these two issues are comparable.
Hellsing321
Member
I just decapitated a female soldier in Bioshock Infinite. I think society has reached point where it is no longer taboo to depict violence against women.
Astral/H3X
Member
And here I was kinda looking forward to that, my GF is into BF3 now (plays it more than I do at this point 
), so it would have been nice to be able to spot her just a hair easier haha.
That, and why not? I want a reason dammit.
), so it would have been nice to be able to spot her just a hair easier haha.That, and why not? I want a reason dammit.
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
I dropped that point a while ago, I just posted the gif to let the person know what the animation looks like, compared to the dayZ one.
This is honestly not even a big deal, Battlefield has never been about character customization or selection, BFBC2 would even randomly pick if you spawned as a white dude or black dude. The least they can do is throw a woman in the mix but people are acting like it should just be this huge prompt saying HEY WANNA PLAY AS A FEMALE INSTEAD?
Make enough noise and it might get changed but it shouldn't affect anyone enjoyment of the game at all.
There are much better and more important reasons to hate BF4 than this. Like, a release planned so soon after battlefield 3, the fact that BF3 probably got about 80 dollars of DLC yet is being dropped as the current iteration so soon which means less support, the fact that BF3 still has bugs that were just never resolved - you still randomly get stuck on nothing and if you try to vault over the nothing you just glitch out even further - and finally because BF4 released so soon after BF3 you can be damn sure it will just take 80 dollars in DLC from you if you want the complete experience and then push you out the door.
There are already a whole lot of games that let you play as a woman solider, just because this one doesn't (hell it features women soldiers in the campaign from the trailer) shouldn't mean it is an attack on female representation.
Eighty Deuce
Banned
Spent two deployments in a combat unit and women were only used to search female locals at checkpoints. Never seen any female clear a house or run down a a high value target. Debate this as much as you like.
BibiMaghoo
Member
I compare them only in the sense that when a video game is portraying a real world, social politics are far more relevant, and more felt, than when portraying a fictional world.
In this instance, BF games exist in a 'real world' of nations that exist today. Female soldiers are controversial in many of these nations, banned outright in others.
Including things that are controversial or banned in a fictional universe is not as... provocative, as including them in real world examples.
JordanN
Banned
Hasn't it always or why else did Street Fighter never get banned?
Here's the real reason: DICE made the game that they wanted to, and that's within their rights as artists. If they didn't want to include women in multi and that offends you, don't play it.
We don't see people bitching about how Jason Statham is in yet ANOTHER action movie, why couldn't they use Gina Carano?
A lot of bitching here seems like people jumping on the popular PC issue of the moment.
Same goes with the bitching about BF3's blue filter. They made the game, that's how they wanted it to look. That's their decisions as designers. The end.
If they added women, fine, if not, fine. Outrage on this issue is PC posturing at best.
Now, I'm gonna go bitch about how Justin Timberlake's new album doesn't have enough female backing vocals, because apparently art is done by committee these days...
We don't see people bitching about how Jason Statham is in yet ANOTHER action movie, why couldn't they use Gina Carano?
A lot of bitching here seems like people jumping on the popular PC issue of the moment.
Same goes with the bitching about BF3's blue filter. They made the game, that's how they wanted it to look. That's their decisions as designers. The end.
If they added women, fine, if not, fine. Outrage on this issue is PC posturing at best.
Now, I'm gonna go bitch about how Justin Timberlake's new album doesn't have enough female backing vocals, because apparently art is done by committee these days...
Spazznid
Member
This is stupid.
I assumed that they were going to go the customize your toon, male, female, armor, camo, etc route. I suppose my main game is still to remain Planetside, and when Blacklight comes out on PS4, I guess I'll return to playing that as well. Gears, Blacklight, Planetside, all let you play female soldiers, the only ones who'd argue is anti feminists. A feminist would want women to be included.
I assumed that they were going to go the customize your toon, male, female, armor, camo, etc route. I suppose my main game is still to remain Planetside, and when Blacklight comes out on PS4, I guess I'll return to playing that as well. Gears, Blacklight, Planetside, all let you play female soldiers, the only ones who'd argue is anti feminists. A feminist would want women to be included.
Hellsing321
Member
Its been fine for a good long while or Slasher flicks wouldn't exist. The point is if the reason they aren't including women in MP is because they're afraid of stirring up controversy its a complete bullshit reason.
JordanN
Banned
You know some thing's wrong when North Korea gives more rights to women in war than the U.S.Including female soldiers has the potential to piss off rather alot of people.
Not all nations allow female soldiers to fight in their armed forces.
I think they have picked the lesser of two evils to be honest.
Edit: Is was.
Anton Sugar
Member
Thanks for your anecdotes. You do realize that women are allowed in SWAT units, allowed in combat roles in several international countries, and that the US's ban on women in combat was lifted in January of this year?
It's almost as if we're...criticizing...art. This must be a first in the history of art!
Well it wasn't a deadly serious comparison so don't look at it that way. And it isn't even about 'being themselves' against being allowed into the armed forces, you've modified that to suit your reply.
It's more about representation really, fair enough there's the argument that games like Mass Effect and Mirrors Edge had female leads but that goes down to the target audience. Battlefield is definitely more of the 'Bro' game than the others mentioned so EA is backing down on being so forceful on their equal representation agenda. It's a military shooter so let's ignore our stance on LGBT and women in games. Men, guns and explosions.
I'm not offended by this. I don't think it's a massive issue and am playing devil's advocate really. Personally it doesn't make a difference to me if female avatars are in Battlefield 4 or not, I think it'd be a nice addition to the game for some people but I don't think it is tantamount to my enjoyment of the product.
This is only an issue because of a rumor before release anyway.
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
One out of every 25 citizens in North Korea is enlisted anyways. Probably not by choice.
spandexmonkey
Banned
Women are attached to units fighting in the front line but not officially a part of them. This and the ban meant that women didn't receive any commendations the unit received even though they were there fighting alongside with the men.
BibiMaghoo
Member
You are making the assumption that any piece of art is removed from social issues. I could move to Germany and create a hundred metre fresco, depicting Nazi symbols and display it publicly in the streets. Would you agree that would be acceptable, as an artist?
It is not as clear cut as you try and make it sound. All artist still have a responsability, not just to make sure there work is not morally offensive, but also to make sure there work is appreciated by the customers it is created for.
Snacks the sober sea lion
Member
It's not because of rights in North Korea's case, it's because they are batshit loony and want as many people with weapons as possible.
One explanation I've heard (for a different game) is that making believable female soldiers would require creating twice as many animations, since females don't always look and acting like males. And it's not like we haven't had at least one instance to show for it using the same animations with a male and female character.
You know...femaleshepardsprinting.gif
BibiMaghoo
Member
My bad then.
But I think it would be an issue either way. If they had included female soldiers in a modern era military game, people would have been unhappy with it, potentially offended even.
But then we have that now with not including them. You really cannot please everyone.
Eighty Deuce
Banned
I'm aware they lifted the ban just as the US is about the enter peace time. Garrison life =/= deployment, and the issue no longer concerns me now that I'm out. I'll change my mind when I see a female 11C carrying around a mortar tube on top of a combat load, or perhaps a female carrying a 240B combat load. I'm so sick of the rhetoric about equality on the battlefield, because there is no such thing.