Female soldiers will not be playable in Battlefield 4's multiplayer or singleplayer
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In the US we have just lifted our ban our women soldiers serving in combat. It would be a nice, timely current affairs hook for B4 to follow suit.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
T-bagging occurs regardless of avatar gender.
Treemonkeys
Member
... fuck :lol
have you been there whining at every other multiplayer FPS launch when they had no female characters for online play?
seriously
rakkadakka
Member
It's not something I want to see.
Call me bigot sexist whatever.
But I would avoid melee take-downs against female soldiers.
Call me bigot sexist whatever.
But I would avoid melee take-downs against female soldiers.
If you deploy a hologram in Halo 4, the hologram will automatically teabag any dead bodies it comes across. Male or female.
There was zero reaction in any sort of press over this
Nah, you're being a gentlemanDid you play RDR? How did you ever get through Mexico?
On a side note, your post does imply, using my weird logic twisting device, that you are quite comfortable killing men in games.
I have the game still in shrink wrap
I don't have a problem with female soldiers killing my avatar but I don't think I can fight back (I haven't been that desensitized yet) at the least using melee.
And you're right, I have no problems killing male because throughout the history of video games we've been doing just that and add the fact that world's worst mass murderers, serial killers happen to be men.
I didn't know this thanks. But could have to do with the fact both men and women use the same armour, ergo, from outside look identical?
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Last game I played with female soldiers was
Lets be fair though, men could do that alluring trick too.
Just means women are better at not getting caught.
oh... Except Myra Hindley and Rose West, of course.
MoonLightWave
Member
There will probably be a female soldier dlc, so let's not be disappoint anymore
On the list of things I was hoping to see in BF4, I can definitely say this never even crossed my mind.
Maybe if it was a 3rd-person shooter, where you get to see your character as you play, but this is a FPS, so it really doesn't make a difference. I never cared what I looked like when I played BF3 or even Call of Duty multiplayer, so whether I'm female or not is of absolutely no importance to me whatsoever.
Maybe if it was a 3rd-person shooter, where you get to see your character as you play, but this is a FPS, so it really doesn't make a difference. I never cared what I looked like when I played BF3 or even Call of Duty multiplayer, so whether I'm female or not is of absolutely no importance to me whatsoever.
Anton Sugar
Member
Yeah, I thought it would be really appropriate, given the state of female combatants in the US.
For shame, DICE. I am disappoint.
Given the high degree of character and weapon customization in modern FPSes, I'd say the majority of people DO care what their appearance is. Not trying to refute your opinion, just saying.
BibiMaghoo
Member
Including female soldiers has the potential to piss off rather alot of people.
Not all nations allow female soldiers to fight in their armed forces.
I think they have picked the lesser of two evils to be honest.
Not all nations allow female soldiers to fight in their armed forces.
I think they have picked the lesser of two evils to be honest.
Aquamarine
Member
Oh great. More sausage fests.
Come ON EA... I just want to play someone my own gender.
Come ON EA... I just want to play someone my own gender.
No, she's actually just another object for stroking the player's ego. She says in the trailer "You will back me up, right?", as to indicate that the player has the power to protect her.
doubleplusgood
Member
I'm pretty sure the cost of adding female characters for each role in mp is non-trivial...That said, I think it's dissapointing that the choice isn't there. The BF games aren't exactly hyper-realistic to begin with so any such excuse that "women don't serve in front line combat in 98% of the world in real life" is nonsense. They are supposed to be a fun action romp in a setting which has some authentic looking weapons and gear in them.
Also this notion that there will be a public outrage over people killing women with knives and such. Firstly I'm not entierly sure there would be that big an outrage. Oh I'm sure there would be some outrage, but theres always someone outraged about something. And even if there was, the alternative would be to wait until everyone in the world had accepted that there can be women in these types of games? Well I wouldn't hold my breath for that. Wouldn't it be better to for someone like EA/Dice to lead the proverbial charge and push the medium onwards? Heck, like it has been pointed out games like HL1, UT, Q3 and did have female characters in MP. So it's not like this is completly unheard of.
Also this notion that there will be a public outrage over people killing women with knives and such. Firstly I'm not entierly sure there would be that big an outrage. Oh I'm sure there would be some outrage, but theres always someone outraged about something. And even if there was, the alternative would be to wait until everyone in the world had accepted that there can be women in these types of games? Well I wouldn't hold my breath for that. Wouldn't it be better to for someone like EA/Dice to lead the proverbial charge and push the medium onwards? Heck, like it has been pointed out games like HL1, UT, Q3 and did have female characters in MP. So it's not like this is completly unheard of.
The countries where women are in the military on this map are also the ones where the game is going to make the vast majority of it's sales....
BattleMonkey
Member
Countless big military shooters come out with no female characters and no one cares. EA does another one and suddenly people care? No one gave a crap when Activision does it yearly with COD either.
MoonLightWave
Member
There is a good one, time is money.
I NEED SCISSORS
Banned
It's strange that this is suddenly such an issue. I don't know why they can't include it though since it's so trivial.
I suppose it's realistic for the US and Islamic countries, who people are mainly going to be playing as online if prior games are anything to go by. The game is hardly realistic though so I suppose that point is null.
I suppose it's realistic for the US and Islamic countries, who people are mainly going to be playing as online if prior games are anything to go by. The game is hardly realistic though so I suppose that point is null.
Doubledoubt
Banned
EA has just been rubbing me the wrong way as of late....i dont think I like them.
You shoulda seen this shit coming from the Sarkeesian threads.
Buncha teenage gaffers just refuse to get this shit.
MoonLightWave
Member
You don't get that it takes development time to develop things?
lol wut
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Has anyone mentioned this might be more of a gameplay reason than a artistic reason? I mean, the silhouette of male and female models is going to be different, and in a game where you must identify enemy and friendly silhouettes can get more complicated when you need to know twice as many. Moreso, female models would be realistically smaller, reducing their hitbox and making them a little harder to hit. For this reason, players playing female characters would have a gameplay advantage over players playing male characters. If they were to even both characters in height and build, well it would be kinda weird that all combat female troops in the game are like 6 foot plus, right?
So female characters are worth less development time than male characters?
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
I dont really play as them so this doesn't affect me personally.
Maybe in the future they require female soldiers to adhere to a specific height. Its a friggin' game. Make up the rules. No one cared in the Halo games when you could have female voices for MP.
Weapon customization you can see.
Character customization in an FPS seems like something that, if you give people the option - they'll mess around with it and enjoy it. But if its not there - I dont think people will care that much. I think you could change your camo in BF3, right? I never once bothered with that. The only talk I ever heard about it was with this one camo set that people reported gave a visibility advantage. But thats it. Never heard much demand for having a character creator or anything like that.
EDIT: I also never really payed attention to what other people looked like, either. Whether they were black, russian, wearing green/black camo, whatever.
MoonLightWave
Member
In a shooter based on a more realistic expectation? Yes
Is it worth the extra time to make a female char?
What do the developers gain from making a female char that would take extra development time?
They already have the assets ready in the singleplayer campaign. Voices, textures, meshes, animation rigs, etc.
SniperHunter
Banned
hahahaha
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
That was the case with Max Payne 3's MP. However, MGO had both male and female soldiers and there was no clear differences between the two.
I say, bring on the Amazonians!
I actually made this years ago for a similar thread. Female silhouettes aren't different enough to fuck with gameplay, especially considering the netcode already helps you make hits..
Also, you could say that it's weird that every man must be 6'6" and all women must be portrayed as 5'2". Just make 'em both 5'9", boom, you have compatible bipeds for your shooter. In Reach and H4, both females and males are 7 feet tall.
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
Hit boxes depending on engine aren't a 1:1 to the character model, you could seriously just have a uniform hitbox regardless of model.
There was a counter strike source or GO article (can't remember) that explained that in detail, often times the hitbox will be larger or smaller than the model anyway.
Razgriz-Specter
Member
Now that I think about it, as bad as Socom 4 was it even had 2 playable female characters
Kadayi
Banned
And in how many of those do you get to graphically stab women in first person? After all that's what the person I was responding to was talking about?
That's why I think it's a RAM issue with loading in all the models, animations, and voice samples at once on the ancient boxes.
This is definitely shippable in MP:
This is what they said when questioned on Bad Company 2: http://kotaku.com/5488592/why-modern-video-game-armies-lack-female-troops
Kotaku said:
I fully expect the first next-gen only game to include playable females in multiplayer. People should feel totally free to call me out if this doesn't happen, and I will personally decry that DICE is being backwards.
BibiMaghoo
Member
True, but I would imagine EA are somewhat more aware of bad PR at the moment than other companies in the industry.
Allowing female soldier to fight in armed conflicts is a controversial issue. It is not something that is generally agreed upon, and different countries have very different ways of looking at it.
Every armed force in the world allows male soldiers.
As I said, its the lesser of two evils. Including women soldiers would likely offend more people than not including them at all.
I enjoyed the SP. and Forty-Five is one of the most underrated strong female characters in games.
You could hatchet to death a female character in dayZ.
Hardly made having female characters shocking.
Why is that? Is it unrealistic for female characters to be able to run and shoot guns?
I want to know why you think it's super difficult for DICE to put in a female character with the time and budget they have for their game, when Free 2 Play shooters with much smaller budgets do it all the time.
MoonLightWave
Member
Okey I admit, I forgot about the female. If it wasn't already done, I would stand by what I just said. Obviously this is only when talking about military shooters.