The best way to gain support. Kick those who have already bought the machine in the nuts.
Kotaku: The Wii U Won't Be Getting Unreal Engine 4
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The best way to gain support. Kick those who have already bought the machine in the nuts.
You know, I've been slowly beginning to reach this point myself. I said I'd give it a chance because the games aren't out yet, but holy hell, everything about this console's future outside of Nintendo first party efforts and indies (who can go anywhere the breeze carries them without much notice) is just leaving a sour taste in my mouth for a purchase on future potential.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
Nintendo's 2013 1st-party lineup:
* LEGO City Undercover
* Yarn Yoshi
* Wii Fit U
* Game and Wario
* Wii U Sports
* Pikmin 3
* Pokemon Scramble U
* Wii U Party
* The Wonderful 101
* 3D Mario
* Wind Waker HD
* Mario Kart U
* (Potentially more unannounced games).
For Nintendo, that level of support is quite significant.
Take a look at their 1st-year of support for the Nintendo 64 for comparison:
There's no way Wind Waker, 3D Mario and Mario Kart U will all come out this year.
black_vegeta
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Finally caught up ready this thread and the "this industry is immature, blah blah blah" comments are the best.
The truth hurts
The truth hurts
Move Wind Waker to the bottom and we are in agreement. It's so overrated; the art style blinds all to its flaws.
Your list is interesting, though, because I usually see Wind Waker at either the top or the bottom, generally due to the different things people value in Zelda games. But you still put OoT and TP above WW which leads to me to believe that you value pacing, something that WW has a huge problem with.
You're absolutely right. They spent a ton of time in their e3 conferences pre launch talking about third party support and showing off the early ports they obtained. I think it was a central component of the U, which is why I think it's nearly a total failure for Nintendo.
If not a lot of people buy the console they won't have to worry about people feeling burned by it as long as they continue to support it themselves for 3-4 years.
Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
I set my expectations based upon what will allow me to enjoy video games. Nintendo has shown no interest in competing on equal ground with its competitors. So that leaves me with two options:
1. Expect them to compete anyway, and be disappointed forever.
2. Accept that they are doing something different now.
What do I accomplish with option 1? I still love Nintendo games, so I'm still going to have a Nintendo machine no matter what. It's what I need to play Nintendo games. I can either choose to be happy with it, or unhappy with it. Seems like a pretty simple choice to me. I don't like to manufacture distress when it comes to enjoying my hobbies.
Not surprising......but it hardly matters.
If publishers won't port games that can run on the current Wii U......then they won't port games that could run on a more powerful Wii U.
The only thing a more powerful Wii U would get... is better looking Nintendo games.
If anything the lack of support the Wii U is getting shows there's zero point in entering the hardware power race.
Nintendo went too high tech if anything (in regards to the controller and media storage). They'd have been better of taking the Ouya route.
If publishers won't port games that can run on the current Wii U......then they won't port games that could run on a more powerful Wii U.
The only thing a more powerful Wii U would get... is better looking Nintendo games.
If anything the lack of support the Wii U is getting shows there's zero point in entering the hardware power race.
Nintendo went too high tech if anything (in regards to the controller and media storage). They'd have been better of taking the Ouya route.
IlSignorCornetto
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in a nintendo direct iwata said that wind waker will arrive on september/autumn.
metalslimer
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Nintendo's 2013 1st-party lineup:
* LEGO City Undercover
* Yarn Yoshi
* Wii Fit U
* Game and Wario
* Wii U Sports
* Pikmin 3
* Pokemon Scramble U
* Wii U Party
* The Wonderful 101
* 3D Mario
* Wind Waker HD
* Mario Kart U
* (Potentially more unannounced games).
For Nintendo, that level of support is quite significant.
Take a look at their 1st year of support for the Nintendo 64 for comparison:
Jesus Christ, sometimes forget how bad things were on there
OoT 3d
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It's the exact same scenario. The iffy one is MK because 3d mario has had a big team on it for over 3 years.
Aquamarine
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You say that, but remember Iwata's precarious job situation...
Something tells me that Nintendo will somehow manage.
You sure about that?
EA press release said:
http://www.easports.com/madden-nfl/news/article/madden-25-release-date
You say that, but remember Iwata's precarious job situation...
Something tells me that Nintendo will somehow manage.
Wind Waker is already confirmed and they may try to copy their 3DS strategy with Mario and Mario Kart unless they announce Wii Sports U or something else with potential and go crazy with it.
SolidSnakex
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It was rough, but Nintendo would kill for their own Goldeneye right now. That made the N64 the go to console for multiplayer games.
RPGCrazied
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If its like UE 3(seems like 90% of the games were UE 3 games), that pretty much means a good junk of 3rd party games this coming gen. Ouch.
This whole situation is a fucking headache. Nintendo knew the risks and now it and Wii U-exclusive gamers will have to suffer for it.... again. I'm not completely hopeless, but I'm getting tired of how naive Nintendo can be. Wii only had 4 good years on the market in terms of having adequate software support from third-parties, most of which came in the form of exclusive spin-off titles and niche ones. High development costs will help prevent this from happening on Wii U unless Nintendo spends a lot of dough on securing more second-party deals. Of course, there's a limit to Nintendo's resources.
I wonder if Nintendo will just give up on third parties and pursue the indies more and more. 3rd parties, outside of maybe Ubisoft for a little bit, see the Wii U as an absolute joke. I would just go for the indies and do our normal Nintendo thing if I were them right now. It's starting to just be sad. I mean, Vita had lots going for it, but not much interest. Wii U doesn't really have anything going for it, and tons of things going AGAINST it.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
It'll happen. Rushed and not as feature complete as the past, but then a shorter 3D Mario means your audience will still be thirsty for the 1.5 sequel a year and a half later. Wind Waker HD is farmed out to some other studio and is a "finished" game. Hell, if its a safe Mario Kart and nothing more, just dragging assets about in HD and a new gimmick makes that a quickie too.
Crimson_Gold
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Um what?, I wasnt aware the gamepad was 8 year old technology...
and last I checked 360 is selling around an average of $300 bucks still(depending on SKU), and it doesn't even come with an old gamepad!
Realistically? Eight to ten major Nintendo games per year, for two, maybe three years, then nothing, and Nintendo will either go third party, or more likely, handheld only.
Thing is, even with UE4 third parties wouldn't have jumped on board even if it became the most popular console out there again.
Even the Wii did not have that much of great third party support considering it's success.
But once again it shows how childish people of the industry can be.
Even the Wii did not have that much of great third party support considering it's success.
But once again it shows how childish people of the industry can be.
You sound mad.
yeah. alright.
Not quite 8 year old but the idea is not all that different from Nintendo's previous idea of GBA and GC connectivity or Sony's remote play, both ideas that maybe 10 people in the world loved.
metalslimer
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Besides the streaming tech, nothing in the gamepad is current. Low resolution, single touch, resistive display is not new. Actually, im not even sure how old the streaming tech is.
MisterHero
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Smash Bros. will arrive soon enough, but I'm worried about their controller situation though. The CC/pro series works, but they weren't specialized for Nintendo games.
IDK guys, the situation seems pretty dark but I think not everything is lost with the 3rd Parties and Nintendo. Maybe the time will tell us at E3 or a New ND as Iwata said when we will see the games for the 3rd parties. I can see more games that Nintendo wil hunt in developers like TW101, Lego and Bayonetta, and even with some Western developers, but just time will tell us.
After the Wii, weak hardware was somewhat expected. But the weak software was not.
With the NES, they launched with Super Mario, Duck Hunt, Excitebike.
SNES was launched with Fzero, Mario World and Pioletwings.
N64 launched with Mario 64 and Pioletwings 64
GC launched with Waverace, Luigi's Mansion
Wii launched with Wii Sports Excite Truck and Zelda TP.
All these consoles launched with games that either ahead of times, graphically impressive and games people wanted.
Wii U launched with the same Mario game that was released three times earlier and a mini game collection when the age of mini games has moved to cell phones.
For a company that's known for killer software...how or why did the Wii U happen the way it did?
With the NES, they launched with Super Mario, Duck Hunt, Excitebike.
SNES was launched with Fzero, Mario World and Pioletwings.
N64 launched with Mario 64 and Pioletwings 64
GC launched with Waverace, Luigi's Mansion
Wii launched with Wii Sports Excite Truck and Zelda TP.
All these consoles launched with games that either ahead of times, graphically impressive and games people wanted.
Wii U launched with the same Mario game that was released three times earlier and a mini game collection when the age of mini games has moved to cell phones.
For a company that's known for killer software...how or why did the Wii U happen the way it did?
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Or they'll have another "revolutionary" moment and eek out another gen in which they are the market leader.
Thinking there's a definite endpoint when the company doesn't make traditional moves is a crapshoot.
For sure, but that isn't happening. It hasn't happened in the last 20 ish years. Pretty incredibly that people are still hopeful for that to happen really. Even Nintendo themselves, with the Gamecube they were going to get 3rd parties on board again, with Wii they were going to get 3rd parties on board again, Wii U same deal. I guess that's why Nintendo was so horribly prepared for Wii U.
seems like that is what they have been doing almost from the get go. this is what will be unique mostly to wii u.
-1st party games
-exclusive third party collaborations(lego, bayonetta 2, etc)
-late enhanced director cut ports
-many indie games
-web/mobile/ games
it seems perhaps people are finally just realizing it. I suppose nintendo is trying to not compete again with the 3-6 other platforms you can get these AAA games from.
That's just a nonsensical perception of things. If it was easy for third parties to port PS3/360 games to Wii, it wouldn't have mattered if the Wii was in third place, third parties still would have released ports for it. Same for the Wii U and PS4/720.
Low risk opportunities to make extra money for no additional development costs are the things devs love best.
Mock Nintendo all you want but please, keep it out of your professional outings... when he (Mark Rein) did that to Indie games he felt the need to apologize. Still, he keeps dong stuff like this. I bet he felt great when the room was laughing when he mocked Nintendo. These moments always feel good when you are not the one being targeted.
It really depends. The Wii U will need more support from Nintendo than the Wii did so they will probably have more titles coming out later in its life than the Wii got.
sure
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Yes thats why Nintendo were trying so hard to push the idea that third parties were on board. Oh god I still remember Reggie desperately claiming a 1 year old port was a new game and people would re-buy it. I am sure Nintendo will be happy with a gamecube 2.0 interms of sales or even worse.
When will people understand that having third party support is nothing but a positive.
Yes because everyone uses their PC to game and has a PC capable of running next gen games at PS4/720 level.
Yes because thats the only thing that Vita does right? It has no exclusive games its just a $250 second screen.
Probably because they have never made a HD game before. Also I am sure their marketing budgets are in their 10's of millions.
Thats what nintendo fans said about the WiiU and then looked what happened.
Japanese third party support has been worse than Western support.
I don't see it being split at all.
Konami, SE and Capcom will want to penetrate the West.
NB seems to supporting PS with many exclusives like Tales and OP but not many mulit-platform titles with the WiiU if any.
Tecmo has released DW7 exclusively for PS3 and the next Ninja Gaiden ain't coming to the WiiU.
Sega has also supported PS with many exclusives like Yakuza,VC,Miku, but almost nothing for the WiiU
Smaller Jap devs like Falcom, NIS, GUST, Grasshopper, have all announced titles that are PS exclusive or with no WiiU SKU.
I actually don't know what the release date is of the next third party Japanese game for the WiiU (not including collaborations).
People act like the western third party support is bad, but the Japanese one is even worse.
metalslimer
Member
Nintendo also has to support the 3ds. And nintendo will release 1 more console before giving up. They have the money so why not. What i do wonder is how in the world was billions of dollars spent on wiiu and 3ds r&d
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Fascinating then that Nintendo just sat on their thumbs and watched as Eurocom, developers of the damn decent Goldeneye Wii, fell apart and had to find employment in that always bulging appstore world.
Opportunities to expand were not seized, and Nintendo's conservative approach to the future has got them into this mess. Its all just too damned deserved to feel bad for them.
I actually blame both Yamauchi and Iwata's visions conflicting with 3rd parties more than anything. A new CEO could improve the support for Nintendo's next console but it depends on a lot of things that are impossible to predict.
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