Kotaku: The Wii U Won't Be Getting Unreal Engine 4
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They'd be even more fucked if the Wii U had 8GB GDDR5.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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I dont think you will be satisfied with any Wii U game. I am sorry. There is powerful hardware right now yet indie devs dont use them. You make a arrgument then in essence makes sense but feasibly impossible. Is it hurting to you now that there is hardware for BF4 to run at 3K 60 fps yet PS4 wont be able to do it?
Why does it need UE4?
Like Mark Rein has said, it has UE3. UE3 was built for current gen consoles in mind, and for all intensive purposes the Wii U is a current gen console. No point of using most of the stuff in UE4 anyways if it can't actually be used because of the lack of grunt. Not like Nintendo would do much with it anyways, they've get to go through the bloom phase and are not about to do any hyperrealistic titles anytime soon.
Like Mark Rein has said, it has UE3. UE3 was built for current gen consoles in mind, and for all intensive purposes the Wii U is a current gen console. No point of using most of the stuff in UE4 anyways if it can't actually be used because of the lack of grunt. Not like Nintendo would do much with it anyways, they've get to go through the bloom phase and are not about to do any hyperrealistic titles anytime soon.
Ninja Scooter
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Aside from hurting the pride of N-fans who were so sure it would be getting UE4 and next-gen ports, it also becomes a problem for Nintendo's already shaky third party support if companies start leaving UE3 behind in favor of UE4 as they transition into PS4/Durango/high-end PC development.
iPad/iPhone.
Anyway, do you not get it? It's not about Nintendo themselves using it, they have their own engines, it's about third party. No UE4, means no multiplatform games, which a large amount of games will probably use.
AZ Greg
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Again, the N64 and GC, while indeed pushing graphics, were half-assed in a ton of other areas. I, along with many others based on some of the reactions to the Wii/WiiU technical capabilities, simply wish Nintendo would have gave it another shot while correcting those other things before throwing their hands up and claiming that standard graphical leaps aren't important anymore.
Yeah, every new major game engine we've seen so far isn't going to support the Wii U apart from CryEngine 3, which no one else apart from Crytek seems to use on consoles. This might mean that none of the major next gen 3rd party multiplatform games will be coming to Wii U, and without the crazy sales/userbase that the Wii had (plus higher development costs compared to the Wii) we'll be seeing way less exclusive third party titles come to the Wii U. The Wii U could potentially have the worst third party support of any Nintendo console if something major doesn't happen.
From the comments on how not showing the next Xbox, i would say MS and some third parties, especially those appealing to the dude bro croet.
What seven year old technology? Nintendo focussed on getting as much performance as possible out of a very small and affordable piece of kit, and used state-of-the-art technology to achieve that goal. This is no Wii, taking old and tiny chips and clocking them low to get the TDP down.
Storage medium is another debate from graphics or the tech of them.
For nintendo they see no gain to a situation where they would have to be absolute best in every area at a great cost when they keep what works and use devices that don't break their bank. Simple math and logic don't like it don't buy their products you're a consumer you shouldn't feel so entitled to better tech on box you didn't create and have no real stake in. Nintendo isn't going to change the other factors that screw them when making a console so why expect them too?
Their argument is quite simple. The cost to have those standards aren't what they feel they should have to pay especially since it's cutting in to their profit model. Your crowd has no real solution for them and until you do expect more Wii/WiiU situations. Don't like it myself but consoles aren't a pick and choose thing like a pc is, you get what you pay for.
I think he meant machine with performance on par with 7 year old hardware.
Dave Meltzer
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People act like N64 and GameCube failed BECAUSE they tried to enter a "graphics war". N64 failed because it got no support due to Nintendo's stubborness and arrogance at the time and games cost a fortune because of cartridges, GameCube failed because the entire imagine of the system was tainted and the PS2 was just a beast that crushed everything. The issue with both systems were mistakes made during their inception which they couldn't recover from.
Wii U may as well just have a standard controller for all the mass market appeal it has. So they're selling a $300-$350 system with no major selling point (gamepad has clearly not been proven to have mass appeal). For that price, you could have built a system that can compete a lot closer to PS4 and 720 hardware wise if you ditched the gamepad.
Wii U may as well just have a standard controller for all the mass market appeal it has. So they're selling a $300-$350 system with no major selling point (gamepad has clearly not been proven to have mass appeal). For that price, you could have built a system that can compete a lot closer to PS4 and 720 hardware wise if you ditched the gamepad.
DragonSworne
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Why do cellphones and tablets need UE4?
velvet_nitemare
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This. And they're somehow managing to lose money on it, so I wouldn't call it affordable. Why they focused on a low power draw when the market at large doesn't give a shit about that is beyond me. Maybe the Japanese, but console gaming in Japan is nowhere near as big as Europe or NA and they sure weren't asking for a low power draw.
Amen.
DragonSworne
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The japanese don't even care about the Wii U, so power draw doesn't seem to be that attractive.
in the end, power draw is inconsequential to gaming. In fact, it has NOTHING to do with gaming. Nintendo but more emphasis on power draw than things that actually impact games.
Do you want to know why? Lower power draw means more reliable system, aka Nintendo saves money in the long run by not having to replace systems under warranty.
Again, Nintendo is more worried about their bottom line then games.
WrenchNinja
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Its already been refuted. Like I dont know how you can say that with a straight face, as if the push for pretty visuals comes at the cost of fun. Seriously dude.
My favorite argument of all time is the "Nintendo tried it before".
Nintendo has not made a developer's system since the SNES. Them sticking to carts was a big "FUCK YOU DEVS WE WANT YOUR MONEY". The gamecube had tiny discs and was a lunchbox. I love how this is glossed over "ERMEGEHRD GAMECUBE WAS A BEAST AND LOOK WHAT HAPPEN" It was a fucking purple purse when it released, no one wanted that shit. Wii came out and again, did not have the developer's wishes in mind.
Nintendo will not create a console to cater to western developers. They have japanese devs (mostly themselves) and their pocket books in mind when creating consoles.
Good luck Nintendo.
I think that if Nintendo took a shit in a box, a number of people would comment on how perfectly shaped and aromatic the turd was. Truly a shit that put all others to shame.
Will MS ever create a product that caters to the Japanese devs?
And didn't we have an interview awhile back talking about how JP devs thought that the ps4 was clearly crafted for the West this go around?
Please don't act as though those two always make their products with everyone in mind.
Nintendo had shitty tools and no final silicon until H2 2012, yet even some launch (window) games managed to surpass their PS360 counterparts. We haven't seen what the system is capable of yet. Not by a long shot. If someone honestly believes Nintendo, IBM and AMD invested millions of dollars and spent years to just achieve parity, I have a nice bridge to sell.
Storage medium greatly effects graphics especially if we are talking about the amount one can store or how fast it can be transferred. They lost exactly because nintendo isn't suited to building a machine half as smart as sony, ms or other companies who deal with hardware far more often than they do. MS is not a joke in the hardware buisness they either make or find someone to make what they want and they refine it death same for sony in a variety of ways including sound and display technology.
I'm not acting like anything I clearly laid out why n64 bombed that alone made the system a hard sell to devs and to consumers for a variety of reasons. I never said anything in absolutes just one huge reason why in the case of one system it wasn't appealing. Both systems failed for tons of reasons both tech and industry politics related. Ignoring either aspects is why nintendo keeps falling in to the same trap each generation since.
I only mentioned those two systems cause as usual in a topic like this people forget nintendo can actually make a powerful system but with faults in them.They suck at this aspect we have 4 3d consoles to take apart and show how since the snes they can't make the right balance for shit.
That's a reason why people are begging Iwata to leave, so Nintendo can make a western centric console and ditch Japanese thoughts.
DeviousAngel
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I don't think I ever said that...
Dave Meltzer
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I don't see how it's either/or.
Do Japanese developers not like powerful hardware? Do the not like selling games in the west?
Hardware should be catered to the market that buys them. The western market buys mainly western games. There is no market in Japan for console and the market for Japanese games is limited in the west.
There is nothing impressive about anything shown for the Wii U at all in any way shape or form graphically. It cannot play any last gen titles running at 720 p comfortably at 1080 p. It cannot take a 30 fps game and run it at 60 fps comfortably. At best we've seen a port of a racing game with some improved textures and little else. The machine is 45 watts and I don't expect much more. Whatever Retro is working on will impress artistically and little else from anyone else is going to do the same.
Alebrije
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There are al lot of japanese dev that never think about the west.
pawelranger
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From what I know, neither PS3 and Xbox360 had shortage problems also I don't see why holidays would be different for each console.
Well PS3 and Xbox360, even with their first January and February much better than the Wii U, they started to see success years later, and probably both MS and Sony will struggle with their nextgen consoles with people that has no reason to spent 400~500 dolars in a new consoles when most of their games will release also for PS3 and 360 (with the only difference in graphics). And I don't see why don't compare the 3DS, Vita with home consoles when all of them are devices focused in games, yes the 3DS and Vita are competing in the mobile market, but Wii strategy was exactly the same as the DS strategy, and now the Wii U has the same problems that 3DS had. Ensure the failure of the Wii U only for the first months is the same as ensure that the Wii U will finish to sell well, it needs time to see how the Wii U turns, specially when big hitters software arrives.
First Xbox sales were similar to the Gamecube and still it had a lot more third party support than the GC.
Which would be beyond stupid.
H_Prestige
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Which ones are these? I only remember port after port performing worse than ps360 versions. At best equal. Regardless, the differences between all three in the big scheme have been minor. All three consoles are the same.
And do you really think at any point during Wii U's creation that they were concerned about where it ended up relative to current gen? The whole idea for the console was the tablet controller. The system itself just needed to be capable of HD graphics and be small and power efficient.
TheDrowningMan
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As I've said before, the notion that "seven year old hardware" with a rather different slant on CPU / GPU & (until recently) shoddy tools would run late gen PS3/360 (in many cases assembled by skeleton crews) in time for launch is completely hilarious to me. The bias / myopia is incredible and frankly, there are certain folks who should stick to discussing games as games.
These people should be DISGUSTED that 360 stuff circa 2006 wasn't as impressive as the games it's been receiving over the last two or three years.
Well clearly the Wii U was a brilliant decision. Just look at dem sales.
Dave Meltzer
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But what does "western focused" mean to a Japanese developer? More power? How is that not something they want?
velvet_nitemare
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Wrong.
metalslimer
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And I'm saying that no matter what people here think Durango will get almost every game the PS4 does and that your argument that a more modern console would severely hurt Nintendo is flawed. Nintendo is not a destitute company
Yup, making final judgments based on 3 months of bad sales right after a very good launch surely is a reasonable thing to do.
So consoles should only focus on one audience then? How is that a developer's system?
Unless you mean the PS4 and Durango are Western Developer's system, which I would agree with wholeheartedly.
Baconsammy
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The PS4 is Sony's tacit admission that the PS3 was a colossal fuckup.
It's easy to make the judgement that it will never be anything on par with the Wii. And without proper third party support, it won't even be on par with 360/PS3. It can still be a success, but some of the absolutely brain-dead decisions they've made has limited the amount of success they should realistically expect.
Cerny was anything but tacit about it during the unveiling.
Dave Meltzer
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H_Prestige
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Where did this happen exactly?
It´s absolutely obvious at this point that the WiiU is a colossal failure that is going to cost Nintendo a tremendous amount of money.
Yes, but these developers only create niche games (and most of them are moving to handhelds anyway).
Big Japanese publishers want to have an international appeal.
Nintendo should make the Wii 3 have both Western and Eastern thoughts, ditching one is not good.
I know people that just play Japanese games.
Freshmaker
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Rein's always been a tech snob. This is nothing new.
CoffeeJanitor
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I don't know what I enjoy more: seeing Nintendo put in a corner, and hopefully forced to change, or watching the fanboys squirm.
Alebrije
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Japanese people do not see videogames as a hightech industry like tv, cellphones, cameras, etc. So they do not demand "power" the same way western developers
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