wikipedia lists about 16 first-party titles for wii u that should all be out within a year (or are already out) and 3DS is packed with games as well. i have to skip games now because they're releasing too fast.
Iwata's Broken Promises (NotEnoughShaders article)
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wikipedia lists about 16 first-party titles for wii u that should all be out within a year (or are already out) and 3DS is packed with games as well. i have to skip games now because they're releasing too fast.
The controller being expensive doesn't really mean it is complex, honestly it is not complex at all, and I really doubt they saw consumers as "expendable" at all.
The problem as I see it is that they saw the tablet craze and tried to use it with mixed results. I do see a certain audience being scared by the new controller. is it big enough to be worried? we actually don't know, the WiiU is doing poorly because of lack of games, not the controller. If the software is there but the sales do not recover then we can blame the controller, for now we can't.
That's the problem though. Within a year is not now.
Sakura
Member
Complaining about executives of corporations not keeping their promises seems a little silly to me. May as well write an article about how just about every politician ever doesn't keep their promises yet we keep electing them. It's just the way it works. And I'm sure Iwata is doing his best to get games out there but unfortunately things don't always fall through. It's not like he promises no more droughts then just sits on his laurels. He's out there trying to get deals with 3rd parties and such, but it's not like he has ultimate control over what they decide to do. I doubt having a different man in charge would make much of a difference.
Dreams-Visions
Member
Thread title should be changed to, "Ether".
it shows how much their software output has increased
So, ether means you got the other guy good, or you are being salty?
It should have increased 5 years ago. Hell, 10 years ago. If you are not actually going to get third parties on board, make sure you have enough first parties to avoid significant droughts. Small droughts are fine, every console has them. 3 consoles in a row have experienced major droughts (in the west) now.
radioheadrule83
Banned
They've fallen short providing a steady stream of software but things like EAs about-face in the 'unprecedented' partnership and ubisoft's flagship exclusive delay have certainly not helped matters for the perception of Wii U's first quarter -- and those things are not entirely in Iwata's control.
I still maintain he knows what's best for Nintendo better than the average gaffer or other opinionated netizen. People only seem to know how to ask for sequels to the familiar, or have their interest in games tied proportionally to exclusivity. Games or ideas that can't be pawns in some ePenis keyboard warrior console war bullshit are of no interest to lots of people until they release, and hey, waddaya know this is actually kind of fun.
I personally think he'll have some decent bombs to drop at e3. I'm looking forward to it.
I still maintain he knows what's best for Nintendo better than the average gaffer or other opinionated netizen. People only seem to know how to ask for sequels to the familiar, or have their interest in games tied proportionally to exclusivity. Games or ideas that can't be pawns in some ePenis keyboard warrior console war bullshit are of no interest to lots of people until they release, and hey, waddaya know this is actually kind of fun.
I personally think he'll have some decent bombs to drop at e3. I'm looking forward to it.
The list with untitled zelda, untitled 3d Mario, untitled smash brothers, Wii fit U, and the games Iwata named a couple of months ago that all say tba? That doesn't really help us now. I own a wii u and it hasn't been touched in months.
fixed.
it's hard to comprehend just how much of a clusterfuck the wii u has been. you could write a book on it.
Sakura
Member
What is a small drought and what is a major drought? In my opinion the Wii U has not experienced a major drought yet. You also have to consider that things like Rayman's delay to coincide with multiplat releases are kind of out of Iwata's control. Please understand.
People said that last year, and look what happened.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Yea but we already seen some the bombs.
Maximus.
Member
Iwata has been around for the impressive performance they had with the Wii/DS. I feel the issue that had this generation is again, underpowering their home console, but the BIGGEST issue is their goddamn horrendous marketing for the 3DS and Wii U. Whoever was in charge of that better have been fired. They really messed up with making people understand that the 3DS was the SUCCESSOR to the DS, and made the SAME MISTAKE with the Wii U. Ridiculous. I will always have a soft spot for Nintendo, especially their handhelds, but they need to get with the times.
CoffeeJanitor
Member
Wow @ the people saying that not all of the blame should fall on him.... HE'S THE CEO.
it sounds like you shouldn't be buying a launch console. they said that those games would be out within the year (except for the unnamed zelda probably).
Yeah, WiiU is salvageable in terms of avoiding a massive drought, but once that perception is pout there it is very hard to shake. If you have no killer app, and a perceived lack of options for game selection, you will struggle badly with sales.
In regards Rayman, yeah, that one is out of their control at the moment, but why is it that they did not ensure that would not happen in the first place? Why do they look so vulnerable when 1 game gets delayed? From today, they have no control over it. 18 months ago, if they had developed good relations with the pubs, and strong contracts, it would be something that may have been avoidable. Even if they lost exclusivity they may have been able to keep the original date. These are the sorts of things a good manager anticipates and plans for. Iwata may have anticipated these sorts of problems, but if he did the fact that they keep occurring does not speak well of his planning.
Reading that back it sounds harsh, and hindsight is 20/20, but if you can't learn from your own mistakes you are not going to succeed. Iwata has made a lot of money for Nintendo, this is great, it gives them freedom to try new things and stuff them up sometimes with less risk. But at some point, as a consumer, you have to get what you want. For lots of people that is the games.
What about the environment? Can't the market be blamed?
metalslimer
Member
Sure, but it seems the boards conservatism and complete phobia to the western video game world has also played a large role.
Hell no, a CEO who blames the market is a CEO who is on the way out.
Nintendo at E3 is like that douchebag Chris Brown and we are gullible Rihanna. Every year we get smacked in the face, but we always come back hoping the next E3 will be amazing.
Mailenstein
Member
Yeah. Iwata is full of shit. It's like the guy is doing the opposite of what he is saying.
i think he's saying that third-parties such as us or stockholders could be blaming the market, not him particularly. either way, CEOs frequently blame the market so i'm not sure what is weird about that.
Sakura
Member
Exactly, I agree with this. But for Nintendo, the last generation, regardless of whether or not there were droughts, these were not mistakes. The investors were probably very happy with the way the systems performed. So while Iwata may not have kept his promise after the Gamecube about having no droughts, the system was selling very well, so there was little pressure to be pumping out games. If he had tried to spend a bunch of money securing games, studios, developing new titles, etc investors probably would not have been happy.
For the Wii U though, the situation is different, as it is not selling well, and I am very much interested to see how Iwata handles the platform this year. It's clear to me that he is serious about making it succeed and getting the software out there, from the Nintendo Directs, so I'd like to see what comes of it. Nintendo can't afford to push off big titles right now, like they could in the past.
Very true, Iwata has shown over and over again that he has absolutely no clue what he is doing. Be it the 3DS concept, the WiiU concept, the last 3 years of the Wii, their failure to build a competitive online infrastructure or Nintendos refusal to invest into their development teams to make them "HD ready" and capble to put out a reasonable amount of games.
The faster Iwata gets canned the better and he´s probably not the only one in the management who needs to go. Nintendo has become a joke.
Sure, Iwata came up with the 3DS and the WiiU all by himself.
metalslimer
Member
A good CEO adapts his company to a rapidly changing market, or even better is the agent of change. Iwata is also the one who doned on with bullshit studies how smartphones would have no affect on their market.
He's the reason 3rd parties hated them to begin with and was a tyrant who also had to go
TalesOfWin
Banned
Time for Iwata to resign. Best Nintendo was during Yamauchi anyway.
He´s the CEO so he has a huge chunk of the responsibility, but as i said he´s probably not the only one who should get the boot.
Mailenstein
Member
While we are at it, Miyamoto too. He made great games back in the 90s, but as for now, he better retire, seriously.
Is it difficult for a Japanese company to "clean house"?
Nintendo should just rename to Activision Japan too and make COD.
you live in some fantasy business world. CEOs make the best decisions they can with the information they have available. that's all there is to it. they can't just exit markets at will - they don't own the company. it is not their property to gamble away. i can't remember what you're talking about with the smartphone bit but it probably had to do with handhelds and that division in particular is doing just fine. he was dead spot-on with the "consumers don't value .99c games" bit.
I think the mistakes of last gen have not manifested until this gen. The mistakes last gen were not just not realising third party games on the system, but recognising WHY that was, which has led to a failure to correct it when it is necessary and they don't have massive sales momentum.
I think it would be okay if he returned to development. Let him do his own project if he wants to but keep him away from management.
I agree with posters mentioning how Nintendo execs constantly said motion controls are the future and the only way to expand the audience.
And then they're like "scratch that, look at the gamepad!". It's like they admitted the Wii Remote was a useless gimmick and a fad instead of actually developing the idea further. That is the root of all evil with the Wii U.
And then they're like "scratch that, look at the gamepad!". It's like they admitted the Wii Remote was a useless gimmick and a fad instead of actually developing the idea further. That is the root of all evil with the Wii U.
iamaustrian
Member
Iwata has no easy job. While he might be the head(president) of nintendo all major decisions are still being made by Imperator Hiroshi Yamauchi.
yeah. earning them billions of cash is certainly the "worst thing".
yeah. earning them billions of cash is certainly the "worst thing".
Sakura
Member
I'm also curious as to how much control the board has. For all I know Iwata wanted to use a bunch of money to have a lot of games in the pipeline but they just said "it wasn't necessary for the Wii why is it necessary for the Wii U?"
In any case, I'm simply not confident someone new could do a better job. I already know Iwata, I know how he works, I know how he is likely to handle the Wii U now that sales aren't so hot. If they put someone new in there, he could possibly do a better job, or he could really blow it. It could also negatively affect Nintendo's image, as Iwata is pretty recognisable and is rather popular amongst general Nintendo fans. If Iwata does leave I imagine it would be post-Wii U.
In any case, I'm simply not confident someone new could do a better job. I already know Iwata, I know how he works, I know how he is likely to handle the Wii U now that sales aren't so hot. If they put someone new in there, he could possibly do a better job, or he could really blow it. It could also negatively affect Nintendo's image, as Iwata is pretty recognisable and is rather popular amongst general Nintendo fans. If Iwata does leave I imagine it would be post-Wii U.
At what cost? Their image among gamers and developers is pretty bad. They aren't dead or anything, but in the dev community they may as well be.
JordanN
Banned
Do say more about your relations with this man.
metalslimer
Member
It may be a fantasy world, but it what's expected of CEOs and why CEOs get turned over in general. And no it had nothing to do with 99 cents. He had a big presentation where he said smartphones and tablets had not eroded their market
You can't be serious.
Earthpainting
Member
It's a tricky situation for them. While I don't know must about the Wii U situation, I do distinctly remember several third party promises for the Wii and 3DS that were quietly cancelled or never even managed to make it past pre-production. I don't know how much Iwata can do about this. I assume that's why we're seeing more and more instances of co-development.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
I'd understand your point if the Wii U dropped motion control completely, but it doesn't. The Wii remotes are still compatible. They are still required for multiplayer in certain games. They are selling Wiimotes seperately right now with Wii U branding. Even the gamepad has 9-axis motion control built in.
metalslimer
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It would have. For one it would be cheaper.