Kotaku: Next Xbox will require online connection to start games
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Beer Monkey
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Yep. Imagine this:
1) Halo 5 ships!
2) Anonymous brings down Live that very same day!
3) Everybody who brought Halo 5 home can't play it! For days to weeks!
4) Microsoft exits console business
ENTIRELY plausible.
Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo will all be strictly online platforms in the future. At some point online features and integration will weigh so heavy that gamers will have been converted anyways, but at this time people look at online requirements as restrictions on your purchases, put in place for reasons that benefits the publishers, rather than the customers.
Microsoft will have a tough sell unless they can really wow people with a better Xbox Live (less paywall and tons of new features).
Microsoft will have a tough sell unless they can really wow people with a better Xbox Live (less paywall and tons of new features).
razgriz417
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Gah you stoles my avatar
how can this possibly be serious? most adults have limited time for video games. if something we pay for is unusuable when we want to use it, it is incredibly frustrating.
BruceLeeRoy
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I think its a good thing for companies to force features that push people out of the stone age but the backlash from this is just going to be too big. I have a cousin in the midwest who's internet can be down for days at a time. I would say my ISP(Charter) is down about 1 day every other month. No big deal if I can't play games but if its your media hub and you can't do anything that is a huge problem.
Yep - and that's something Anonymous would probably do, just on the principle of the matter. Nobody should be defending this required connection BS. It makes absolutely no sense, other than MS trying desperately to limit piracy. That's the only logical conclusion I can come to.
For fuck's sake, look at what you mentioned, a web browser, of course we expect software and hardware that explicitly needs to use the internet for more than dialing home is going to be useless without the internet. And no device far as I know ALWAYS requires the internet, though it may be crucial depending on what you want to do: tablets still work without the internet, so if you just wanted to play a game or whatever you're probably fine if it wasn't persistently online or the developers were dumb, and same applies to smartphones IIRC.
EDIT FOR NEW POST:
If you can get a normal setup for it (TV, electricity, controllers) then why should you be barred due to an arbitrary internet requirement? I believe a lot do enjoy local multiplayer quite a bit too.
Flatline
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This sounds so ridiculous it could have been official PR. Internet browser needs internet because it's an internet browser, single player mode in games does not.
Miles Quaritch
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You didn't need to activate those games online?
Helllll no. I can assure you most if not all of your friends had a PS1, and not all had a 360/PS3. The thing is, it's time for that demographics to
- Be cashed in for nostalgia. The PS-startup sound at the PS4 conference and the promotionak videos before the unveiling show us that Sony is aiming to that.
- Be reabsorbed. Many of those people already have a stable job and could be dissuaded by the thought of a games machine again, that of course is an enterteiment device.
- Be used. The social network boom is the best advertising and medium to get relevance.
I think those are the strategies Sony is using, along with those for the usual hardcore gamer, of course.
MS is aiming moms and dads and cool kids and that unexistant niche called the wii gamer.
Beer Monkey
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How the fuck is playing a game without being online the stone age?
Are Blu-Ray movies the stone age now?
Should my Kindle have to be online before I can read a book? Should my iPod have to be online before I can listen to a song?
Are you trolling?
If they really do live in India, then I don't see how even they wouldn't think this is a horrible idea. I don't think infrastructure is good enough in North America, and it sure as hell isn't in India, especially with the popularity of stick Internet solutions there.
I don't think DSL is good enough for all the Kinect data that is being processed on the cloud plus streaming plus whatever game your playing.
The current speculation is that the next Xbox would block used games, but authorized resellers like GameStop would be allowed to unlock used games in exchange for a fee to Microsoft. This would keep retailers in the loop, but would cutoff casual game trading or selling used games through eBay and Craigslist.
Uhh...that's what all these rumors are saying.
Baconsammy
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Sony not telling you the credit card info was compromised was not a mistake. It was intentional. As for the benefit of this, I'm sure there's tons of benefits. For them. Not for us. If they do this, their spin is going to be delicious.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Of course I am trolling. Are you reading some of these posts?
gaming_noob
Member
It'll be annoying but I guess I can live with it. There's too many rumors that point to the same things so there has to be some validity to them. Oh well.
Mystic_Wanderer
Member
You really struggle seeing the forest for the trees, don't you?
Omegasquash
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Which is why it's AOK for you to not have a problem with it, so long as you understand why others might not be thrilled if the rumor is true.
Baconsammy
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Miles Quaritch
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All my friends had a PS1, PS2, 360 and PS3. Most of them are now PC only gamers however. They've had enough of the console market and have migrated back to the PC scene now that it's a much more viable option than it was at the start of this generation.
digoutyoursoul
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Can't see them being successful with this
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Yeah. And what pisses me off the most is that they'll tell us they're doing it for our own good, because it'll make for a better experience, somehow. What a load of crap.
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
He didn't specify. But he did say "the first time" which led me to believe that you link the console to disc ID and then you're good to go without the disc in the tray. This is just my speculation, and I'd be ok withh this if it means I can have the flexibility of downloadable games while still having my collectibles.
I've already transcripted more or less everything he said, the only bit I've left out was "why would you buy physical anyway, it's not like you play off the discs" which led to me saying "cause they're cheaper" and then asking about used games.
I have no idea. It was just a quick back and forth via iMessage. We were talking about personal stuff, I've bugged him a bit about what he was working on and the new systems and that's all he wanted to share, and he doesn't usually tell me shit so I was ok with just that little blurb of info haha. Plus I haven't kept up with Durango as much as with PS4, so I wasn't able to ask/counter more specific stuff since what he told me sounded mostly new to me.
My question was "so my games will be useless coasters once I've played them or I can still sell them?"
Reply word for word was "you can still sell them. Used games are not blocked per se. They'll just be... worth less I guess. You'll hardly want to buy a used game on month1 anymore, unless you find a very good deal or big discounts down the road, if this pans out like it seems... which will be good for the industry and me lol"
That's it, full transcript, ain't got anything left I'm afraid
Baconsammy
Banned
Hahahaha. I love you regardless of making me look stupid.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Or see the introduction of activation fees where you can trade/sell your games anywhere, but they would need an activation code to work.
I feel like a broken record, but I've said since Sony were less than clear about used games that activation fees were the future. They are the evolutionary end point of online passes.
I know what the rumors are saying, I'm asking if you really think they'll do it.
From Wikipedia:
Hubris (pron.: /ˈhjuːbrɪs/), also hybris, from ancient Greek ὕβρις, means extreme pride or arrogance. Hubris often indicates a loss of contact with reality and an overestimation of one's own competence or capabilities, especially when the person exhibiting it is in a position of power.
Hubris (pron.: /ˈhjuːbrɪs/), also hybris, from ancient Greek ὕβρις, means extreme pride or arrogance. Hubris often indicates a loss of contact with reality and an overestimation of one's own competence or capabilities, especially when the person exhibiting it is in a position of power.
Please tell me you didn't just compare "games need an internet connection to run" with an "internet browser needs internet to run"
Seriously...
What daft revelation comes next... Toaster requires bread to make toast
Of course I do. Why would I disable my internet connection in order to play Bioshock Infinite on my PC?
Seriously? fuck that noise man
FFS sony don't you dare pull something similar if MS decides to go this route
NullPointer
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Ads. Ads as far as the eye can see.
And when my toaster breaks down I just take that as motivation to go outside and get some sun. Thanks Toaster! You're the best!
Hubris porn? Sounds about right ;P
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Fo them to tie the system up to be 100% online makes me assume they have some really interesting stuff planned that I am pretty excited to see but there has to be a offline mode.
Got to say news like this makes me extremely curious what their overall Vision is.
Got to say news like this makes me extremely curious what their overall Vision is.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Makes no sense at all for that to happen for just devs.
Baconsammy
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Makes you wonder though if this rumor is true, then why do it if you weren't also blocking used game sales. Which then makes you wonder what did they tell Gamestop to get them to stop worrying about that?
Kazuma Kiryu
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you know what i usually do when my internet is down? PLAY GAMES.
Well we are not talking about the PC for a start.