Margaret Thatcher has died

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So can someone really break down why she is so hated? It sounds like she was the UK version of Reagan yet I doubt even Reagan would get the level of hate displayed by people in this thread.
 
hodgy100 said:
Whether you agree with what she did or not, she was the last PM to drastically change this country. Which is much more than what you can say about any PM we have had since.

the number of people I've seen celebrating the death of an 82 year old woman with dementia. it just makes me sad to live in the same country as these people :/
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Why is drastic change so celebrated? If the drastic change is generally for the worst, why should that be congratulated? Getting really sick and tired of the "But you have to admit, she had balls!" posts. Don't know why I should condone her for that.

I do agree the "vulture culture" around her is a little dark, but I can understand it. I didn't live through the 80's, so whatever opinion I have of her won't be really that sanctioned.
 
Pie and Beans said:
The BBC hasn't leant left since Gordon Brown. They've felt noticeably right for quite a while now. During the election it was fucking palpable.
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Really? Their economic output always seems to put the worst possible face on any news - but thats really all I've been keeping up with, so maybe that just one particular editor.

Pie and Beans said:
Just reading things like "best PM ever!!!!" is mind boggling to me.

Churchill during the war, then Clement Richard Attlee and co bringing in the NHS? Meaningless. The woman who sought to punish the working class with a veracity only a sociopath could sleep at night after, thats who did the best for her people!!
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I agree that Clem Atlee is the best peacetime prime minister of the modern age(have to go all the way back to Disreali to find someone who measures up).

I suspect her inculsion in that stratosphere is for how she ruthlessly took out the unions for revenge at the way they took down the heath government, all the accounts I've read suggest something of the kind needed to be done. There should have been a better way, but with two egos like Thatcher and Scargill butting heads, we ended up with the worst possible one.

Wasn't around when heath's government was brought down though, so I don't have any firsthand experience of how bad it was and how nessecary her actions were.
 
Arksy said:
An entirely public health monopoly the likes of which doesn't exist in any other Western country? Great stuff.
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You say that like it's a bad thing. Or are you one of those people who doesn't believe in healthcare being available to everyone and being free at the point of delivery? Would you rather have the US system, where if you can't afford health insurance, you're basically left to die? A system run by HMOs who only care about maximising their own profit?

I cannot understand how anyone could possibly see the NHS as being a bad thing.
 
Pasco_ said:
For some reason I've got "Ding-Dong! The Witch Is Dead" stuck in my head, can't think why.

Also the sudden and unexpected urge to throw a huge party.


Unrelatedly, Thatcher was a massive force for evil as UK PM, and the legacy of Thatcherism is a continuing malevolent force on the country.

The love fest that will adorn our press and TV over the next days and weeks is sickening for a woman with so many victims.
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How old are you?

Do you remember the winter of discontent in 1978 under the Labour government?.

Rubbish 4 feet high pilling up outside peoples homes.
Going from one black out to the next.
No heating available unless you could get a calor gas heater during winter.

RIP Thatcher. You were one of the greats, and when the militant cunts who you took on die, i'll happily raise a glass in your honour.
 
Jarmel said:
So can someone really break down why she is so hated? It sounds like she was the UK version of Reagan yet I doubt even Reagan would get the level of hate displayed by people in this thread.
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apples to oranges comparison, Reagan was a head of state, Thatcher was just another politician.
 
Not that I disagreed with all she did, unions certainly needed to be kept in check, the longer term legacy of Thatcher and Reagan is finally showing its ugly head. It was their belief in neoliberal economic doctrine that has done the most damage.

Deregulated markets, record inequality and a definite move towards the Gilded Age. She and Reagan are more than just indirectly responsible for the last 3 Financial crises by any objective reasoning.

The parasite that she unleashed in the City of London is doing its best to screw people the world over.

'There is no society' and the glorification of greed. Her legacy.
 
Arksy said:
The rest of the world has a good private system that exists in parallel.
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So you have taken it as axiomatic that a private system must be in place or the national health industry is shit. Cool. And I'm pretty sure Britain does have private health as well.
 
Flatline said:
She sold out half the country to the corporate leeches for scraps. If someone has financial problems and sells his house, car and everything he owns we don't exactly say that he saved himself financially, we say he's got nothing anymore.
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frankie_baby said:
for all those who seem to think she 'fixed' the country in the 80s no she didnt, the north sea oil money did, if it wasnt for her squandering vast portions of it and selling off everything we owned on the cheap britain would be very very rich now
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Yup. It's like if Nintendo sold off all their development houses to make an insane amount of profit right now... and found themselves left with hardly any way of making money going forward.

Also, union related. You know who else has powerful unions? Germany. It's a good job Maggie killed ours off for daring to stand up for employee rights or we'd be in the same sort of situation they... oh wait.
 
MCN said:
You say that like it's a bad thing. Or are you one of those people who doesn't believe in healthcare being available to everyone and being free at the point of delivery? Would you rather have the US system, where if you can't afford health insurance, you're basically left to die? A system run by HMOs who only care about maximising their own profit?

I cannot understand how anyone could possibly see the NHS as being a bad thing.
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The NHS is the last great thing left in this country.
 
GRW810 said:
Good that someone died? Are you serous? Disgusting.
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There are plenty of threads celebrating deaths of people we believe to be evil. For a lot of people, Thatcher sits in that company. What she did - whether you believe it was good in the big picture or not - destroyed communities and families on a very wide scale in this country, and she supported some very unpalatable regimes in the wider world.
 
hodgy100 said:
Whether you agree with what she did or not, she was the last PM to drastically change this country. Which is much more than what you can say about any PM we have had since.

the number of people I've seen celebrating the death of an 82 year old woman with dementia. it just makes me sad to live in the same country as these people :/
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So if Hitler or Bin Laden had died with dementia in old age you'd feel the same? Because rightly or wrongly, many people feel just as strongly about Thatcher.

She drastically changed the country? As in who cares if it was in a good way or not? She also aided an apartheid regime, was mates with Pinochet and promoted homophobic policies.
 
MCN said:
You say that like it's a bad thing. Or are you one of those people who doesn't believe in healthcare being available to everyone and being free at the point of delivery? Would you rather have the US system, where if you can't afford health insurance, you're basically left to die? A system run by HMOs who only care about maximising their own profit?

I cannot understand how anyone could possibly see the NHS as being a bad thing.
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Sigh. Let me break it down to you. I have no problem with a public health care system. I just want a private health care system to exist in parallel. Like Australia, Canada, and NZ.

That way people who want to fork out for a higher level of health care they can. The NHS lags most other developed countries when it comes to health care outcomes.
 
CharmingCharlie said:
Thatcher dead eh ? Hm I will show Margaret Thatcher the same amount of respect in death as she showed the millions of poor and working class in life. This woman is responsible for untold amounts of misery, destitution and despair. There is not one single thing about Margaret Thatcher worth celebrating or remembering.
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The Right-To-Buy scheme.

....s'all I've got.
 
A day to celebrate - they should declare a national holiday. Rot in Hell.
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Bogus, now she will never stand trial for her crimes...
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Shame the witch didn't drag Cameron to Hell with her..
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Hail hail the witch is dead! Lets make today a bank holiday
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Nice to have something to celebrate
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Goodbye to the milk snatcher.
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PARTY!
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All from my Facebook feed in the last 30 minutes :P
 
Arksy said:
I just want a private health care system to exist in parallel. Like Australia, Canada, and NZ.
That way people who want to fork out for a higher level of health care they can. The NHS lags most other developed countries when it comes to health care outcomes.
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There is nothing stopping you from purchasing private healthcare in the UK, and you're last point is just bullshit.
 
I've only been watching BBC News for the past 20 minutes for reactions but they seem rather level to me. In fact the reports seems to be very non committal towards which camp they reside in.

OK, the people at the desk are saying nice remarks. As are the politicians currently in pwoer as they don't want to get involved in any PR game. But the likes of Nick Robinson (right now in fact) have definitely put over the view from both sides of the like/dislike debate. If anything the only thing that they've said is that she invoked passionate opinions.

Maybe I need to see some more of the reaction video closer to the news was announced. For now, I'm going to check out Sky News.
 
Arksy said:
Sigh. Let me break it down to you. I have no problem with a public health care system. I just want a private health care system to exist in parallel. Like Australia, Canada, and NZ.

That way people who want to fork out for a higher level of health care they can. The NHS lags most other developed countries when it comes to health care outcomes.
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We have that. Heard of Bupa?
 
I saw this on twitter in reply to all feminists should shed a tear today.

Think Thatcher was a feminist icon? "The feminists hate me don't they? And I don't blame them. For I hate feminism. It is a poison!"
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Wes said:
I've only been watching BBC News for the past 20 minutes for reactions but they seem rather level to me. In fact the reports seems to be very non committal towards which camp they reside in.

OK, the people at the desk are saying nice remarks. As are the politicians currently in pwoer as they don't want to get involved in any PR game. But the likes of Nick Robinson (right now in fact) have definitely put over the view from both sides of the like/dislike debate. If anything the only thing that they've said is that she invoked passionate opinions.

Maybe I need to see some more of the reaction video closer to the news was announced. For now, I'm going to check out Sky News.
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Yeah, Robinson's treading the line pretty well.
 
Ding-Ding said:
How old are you?

Do you remember the winter of discontent in 1978 under the Labour government?.

Rubbish 4 feet high pilling up outside peoples homes.
Going from one black out to the next.
No heating available unless you could get a calor gas heater during winter.

RIP Thatcher. You were one of the greats, and when the militant cunts who you took on die, i'll happily raise a glass in your honour.
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Your username is only one letter out but you've almost got the song right.
 
MasterBalls said:
Why is drastic change so celebrated? If the drastic change is generally for the worst, why should that be congratulated? Getting really sick and tired of the "But you have to admit, she had balls!" posts. Don't know why I should condone her for that.
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This. That's all they keep saying on tv right now, and it's all I keep reading on here. "She was a cunt bu-bu-but she changed stuff, woo!"
Suddenly 'change' is automatically good?
 
Arksy said:
Sigh. Let me break it down to you. I have no problem with a public health care system. I just want a private health care system to exist in parallel. Like Australia, Canada, and NZ.

That way people who want to fork out for a higher level of health care they can. The NHS lags most other developed countries when it comes to health care outcomes.
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Sorry mate, we have that too.

EDIT: Too slow
 
Arksy said:
Sigh. Let me break it down to you. I have no problem with a public health care system. I just want a private health care system to exist in parallel. Like Australia, Canada, and NZ.

That way people who want to fork out for a higher level of health care they can. The NHS lags most other developed countries when it comes to health care outcomes.
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Good thing it already exists, then. You can sleep soundly.

EDIT: Beaten.
 
Bumhead said:
North - South divide.

Unfortunately there always has been and always will be just about enough people to vote for the Tories to counteract those who still to this day will never vote Conservative.

This is why Britain needs Scotland and why Alex Salmond should not be allowed to claim independence. Without Scotland the rest of us are doomed to Tory government forever. I mean we didn't even vote the current lot in technically but we're still stuck with them. Be even worse without our friends North of the border.
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Labor would have still had a comfortable majority in 97 and 2001 without Scottish MPs. But it would make it extremely difficult for Labor to win a general election, just not impossible.
 
Arksy said:
Sigh. Let me break it down to you. I have no problem with a public health care system. I just want a private health care system to exist in parallel. Like Australia, Canada, and NZ.

That way people who want to fork out for a higher level of health care they can. The NHS lags most other developed countries when it comes to health care outcomes.
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What the fuck are you on about?
 
Arksy said:
Sigh. Let me break it down to you. I have no problem with a public health care system. I just want a private health care system to exist in parallel. Like Australia, Canada, and NZ.

That way people who want to fork out for a higher level of health care they can. The NHS lags most other developed countries when it comes to health care outcomes.
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That exists, companies such as Bupa etc. can provide that. Just for the vast majority of the population, the NHS is good enough.

The NHS is Britain Crown Jewel, and there's a reason even Thatcher couldn't damage it.
 
SmokyDave said:
The Right-To-Buy scheme.

....s'all I've got.
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you mean that scheme where a few people made a lot of money and now there is a severe lack of social housing, with many former council flats in london now being owned and rented out by fat cat landlords for thousands of ponunds a month?
 
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