There was a Best Of in 2006, this was 10 years after it last broadcast.
Margaret Thatcher has died
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There was a Best Of in 2006, this was 10 years after it last broadcast.
She won three elections. She had a lot of support.
captainnapalm
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HA, yeah.
frankie_baby
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and the south of england too (just not quite as much as elsewhere)
Because Brits have better sense than Americans, they recognize a monster when they see one.
I'm honestly not sure what your point is.
You can't be glad she's dead because of what she did, no matter what your opinion is of her? Fuck that. I can be glad she's dead if i want to.
Also "You can't judge unless you were there" why? I am pretty capable of knowing what someone did and building an opinion of them without being there when it happened.
GoddyofAus
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I'll have to retrospectively paraphrase Christopher Hitchens on this one:
"If you gave her a posthumous enema, you could bury her in a matchbox."
"If you gave her a posthumous enema, you could bury her in a matchbox."
Yes plenty of heartless/easily manipulated people in the UK sadly.
Clearly not enough, she still got reelected.
It might interest the British people here but the little I learned about Thatcher here in HS was that she turned around the economic crisis in the UK, closed down the mines and was a strong opponent of communism (hence, the Iron Lady). Looks like that description was a bit on the positive side?
I think saying that anyone who voted for her was heartless or stupid is the height of arrogance. She was clearly popular. The only reason she lost power was because she was deposed by her own party.
GoddyofAus
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Having plenty of arse licker support in the House of Lords goes a long way to achieving that.
If the left didn't sabotage itself with in fighting (usual theme) she would be gone after her first term.
frankie_baby
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in a country of 60 million people, less than 14 million people voted for her each time
even hitler was democratically elected
And what exactly did she do that deserves parties upon news of her death? Did she sign away our freedom? Did she slaughter her own people? Did she remove our democracy?
No, she made decisions some people didn't like. Like every other politician. If you consider she did something wrong, ask yourself whether she sat in a lair at night cackling to herself at the misfortune of the British people. No, she didn't. Leaders make tough decisions for various reasons. Some people support them, some people don't. Because she didn't appease you doesn't make her evil.
People like to pick a side and stick to it, blindly supporting theirs while criticising the opposition, reeling off buzzwords like 'the left' and 'the right' and this, that and the other to justify their own views. But at the end of the day, a woman elected and re-elected to lead this country has died. Not a tyrant or dictator, a democratically-elected PM. An elderly woman, a mother, probably a friend of many.
If you didn't like her, have some respect for her, her family and loved ones and her supporters. This isn't a political debate in the house of commons, this is breaking news of a death. I really don't care that someone is glad she's dead. It says more about them than it does about Margaret Thatcher.
POWERSPHERE
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Why can't you speak your mind about someone just because they're dead?
Arsenal2022
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For an American perspective, there's very little to dislike. Her treatment of the British working classes is why she is hated, which does not have much relevance to American concerns, nor dare I say it, American values.
The first one she one on the back of False promises (I'll bring unemployment down she said. Then managed to make it hit nearly four million...twice). The second she won because of the Falklands (unpopular before it...no general election. War happens...popular...general election!). She won in 1987 and then watched as the stock market crashed and millions lost their jobs. She presided over an almost endless cycle of boom and bust. She placed millions of people on a train of despair and disdain and fostered a stunning "I'm alright so screw you" mentality that is sadly still on track today.
Call me arrogant then. If people saw the results of her policies and decided more of this please. They are heartless.
If they voted for her because murdoch told them to then they are easily manipulated.
Well she wasn't gone after second either so clearly she wasn't as universally hated as Socialist GAF would have us believe.
Definitely the biggest issue of the whole process by a long shot.
Actually in more subtle ways than totalitarianism every could. Well at least for the majority of you guys.
frankie_baby
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her party got rid of her because they were heading for electoral oblivion had she stayed
EdibleExplosives
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Fair enough. I don't think you need to have been personally affected to celebrate something like this though.
I'm not celebrating her death either, but I can understand people that are.
Population wasn't 60 million back then.
And the fact that she was utterly hated.
Not being funny but the unions controlled this country before Thatcher. All them places before she came along were already on life support through the public sector. Every single department was losing money hand over fist, to the point that the IMF had to take control of the treasury as we was bankrupt.
Thatcher had to stop that rot. Was it hard for them places, hell yes. Fact remains if we continued the way we was, we would have made the Eurozone problem now look like a teddy bears picnic,
pitcairn55
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Indeed - her removal caused a massive upsurge in popular support for the Tories. Her being increasingly viewed as a liability by the electorate was the only reason I wanted her to stay in power. Instead she was replaced, and the Tories got voted in again, ffs.
frankie_baby
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at the time though there wasn't a credible electable alternative put forward by the opposition, in 83 they had michael foot who as intelegent as he may have been he was a full on looney lefty and then in 87 we had neil kinnock who was probably politically perfect but no one would vote for because he was ginger (he has said it himself since)
Probably been posted, but the feeling conveyed in this song is so immense.
Elvis Costello - Tramp The Dirt Down
I grew up with my dad teaching me this woman was worse than the devil.
Elvis Costello - Tramp The Dirt Down
I grew up with my dad teaching me this woman was worse than the devil.
Of course she had the papers in her back pocket for the ignorant and the 'I'm alright Jack' segment for the rest.
every kid in my school knew the same nursery rhyme celebrating her (future) death, and i grew up about as far south as you can get.
this was the best part of a decade after she left power.
So if the left wasn't shit and unpopular the right wouldn't have won?
Could've sworn that it was a CG version or something. Or maybe I'm confusing it with 2DTV.
frankie_baby
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Monocle
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The Daily Mail is the most popular paper, think about that.
It doesn't matter what she did, she was an old woman so you can't be glad she's dead.
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CHEEZMO
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Second! The first is the S*n.
Apparently. Well, I'm not really glad she's dead, I've been thankful since she had no active role in shaping any policy whatsoever. Death is just a nice full stop.
As someone who grew up under her oppressive regime in Ireland, he is not the only one ....... universally hated within Republican and Nationalist communities.
It's a great day for many in Ireland.
If that's how you try to Boil down my allusion to left splitting into about 80 different pieces. Sure more power to you.
Lazlo Woodbine
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Sad that it takes someone like Adams to say what should be the standard line for the shadow cabinet.
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