Margaret Thatcher has died
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frankie_baby
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but if funding loses at a mine makes a town economical and a net benefit (more than making up for the losses) is it not worth it? government's all over the world give tax breaks and incentives to business all the time, how would that be any different
Seems like it's a national sport.
One of the reasons for that is that she concentrated much of the country's wealth and influence into southern England deliberately, as part of a broader strategy to weaken the opposition and it's base, the working poor and unions. This had catastrophic effects on the North and West, and Northern Ireland. There is good reason for regional hatred of her. And vitriol is a reasonable reaction. But it's the UK so they will probably go through some annoying national mania like they did when Diana died, a person they had resented and loathed the week before she died in a coke-fueled limo crash.
Or being from an area that was more affected by her policies than others.
Huh?
He is a twice elected official, by the electorate of West Belfast and now Co. Louth.
frankie_baby
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unfortunately due to the way in which mines were closed down (rather than mothballed) it costs far far too much (i've heard figures of a billion per mine) to just reopen them
NekoFever
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This week's episode is hosted by Brian Blessed, in case anyone didn't already have enough reason to watch.
PJV3
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QuicheFontaine
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"More people voted against" seems like an odd way to malign the legitimacy of an election. Clearly that statement also applies to the parties receiving a smaller percentage of the vote, only to a greater degree?
Arrowgigantic
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CHEEZMO;53120577 said:
LOLOLOLOLOL
Did the UK really hate Diana a week before her death? Seems a bit far-fetched.
Ah, my mistake. I forgot I generally listen to it a week behind.
What?
kurtrussell
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Indeed. All those new working class homeowners she created. What a bitch!
Well, that's how it comes across to me - you were very specific about why people were attacking her.
"Some of you really need to grow up. Celebrating the death of someone because they led the political party opposite to the one you vote for is immature and shortsighted."
All I pointed out was that this is a very wrong assumption. Because nobody had or is going to have the same reaction to any other Conservative leader. Nobody's going dancing on the graves of Heath, Major, Blair or Cameron. Thatcher's ideology and her impact on a lot of people in this country is at a different level entirely. It's not only not the only reason, it's not really a reason at all.
I don't feel that way, because the assumption I made about your post was that you were saying people were celebrating the death of someone because they led the political party opposite to the one they vote for. What you said doesn't make sense if you weren't saying that. If you're now claiming that you weren't, then that looks like backpedalling to me.
And I get the impression that you're making some big assumptions about my posts too. I'm not that violently opposed to Thatcher myself, I just know some basically sensible people who are, and I understand where they're coming from - and it isn't hatred of a party.
Margaret Thatcher implemented some limited but rough austerity and good capitalist reforms with good long term effects but causing suffering on the short term on her bad parts was that she was uncaring about that but on the very good parts was that unlike so many politicians she put long term over short term and politicians don't behave like that not because they particularly care about people but because it is harder and don't want to see any popularity fall and behave more in terms of short termism. Agree or disagree with what her views where, she was a leader with a vision of creating a better country than the one she found and changing it and that was admirable.
She also was worried about German reunification and anti European exchange rate, and monetary union being much more perceptive than many in Britain and this was also very important to her country's long term prosperity.
She helped create a more succesful capitalist economy in UK with less long term unemployment, better financial institutions, more entrepreneurship and less wasteful spending. On the negatives however there are the people who suffered from her pollicies and I mean actually suffered.
Overall I would say she was one of Britains best leaders.
She also was worried about German reunification and anti European exchange rate, and monetary union being much more perceptive than many in Britain and this was also very important to her country's long term prosperity.
She helped create a more succesful capitalist economy in UK with less long term unemployment, better financial institutions, more entrepreneurship and less wasteful spending. On the negatives however there are the people who suffered from her pollicies and I mean actually suffered.
Overall I would say she was one of Britains best leaders.
People from areas affected the most by Margaret Thatcher's policies have things to say about Margaret Thatcher.
More news at 10. Booooong.
Hate? More like a blend of Lohan/BitchFromTheHills resentment and tabloid grossness. With a bit of jingoism thrown in because she was hanging out with foreigners.
PJV3
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It does apply, if you dont get over 50%, don't behave like you did get 50%. What a shit fucking system.
The perfect response. Thanks, PJV3.
frankie_baby
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There was nothing short term about her bad parts as you call them, many towns have NEVER recovered
PJV3
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kurtrussell
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The only thing we're paying for right now is the Labour debt, and the asinine Gordon Brown decision to sell off our gold reserves at it's lowest price.
Are we allowed to just hurl random and antagonistic insults at each other now? GAF rules changed again?
By selling a public resource to private individuals. Look, some of the things she did had good long term consequences, many of them uni tended, some of them genuinely moral and correct. But legacy is a difficult thing to gauge in a constantly evolving world, so we can talk about the time AT the time. It was divisive and rough and especially hard on the poor.
CHEEZMO
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We'll just bitch and moan about fare prices for eternity instead.
PJV3
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Did you sell the houses, were you in the government. We're talking about Thatcher.
Arsenal2022
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At the cost of vast amounts of social housing, the effects of which are being felt today through chronic shortages?
It was a political ploy - give the poor a small stake that they can own, and they'll immediately become more conservative than even the rich.
That's most likely referring to preexisting conditions.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...+preexisting+conditions&hl=en&ct=clnk
basically shit that gets really expensive.
I could be wrong, it wasn't said explicitly I don't think... that's just the impression I got from the Q&A, that John would be back this week.
kurtrussell
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So you'd rather have the working class living in state-provided housing and being partially supported by the state?
North Korea says hi.
CyclopsRock
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It suggests that the opinion is a result of where you're born. Is that the case? All these people who dislike her, they'd have thought she was great if they'd been born in the South, instead? Is that how your thought process works? Hating someone because of where you're from is silly.
Edit: To clarify, it's the idea that "I'm from X area therefore I think Y" that I think is silly. The world is more nuanced than that.
frankie_baby
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CHEEZMO;53121825 said:
Nothing that I hope people didn't already realise
So fucking disgusting though
CHEEZMO
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lmao
Indeed. The most successful conservative leaders over the last 50 years owe their success to the blue collar worker who consistently voted conservative parties. In Australia they were called Howard Battlers, in the US, they were called Reagan Democrats.
What a daft thing to say.
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Psychotext
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Is it really that silly? If you surveyed those areas I guarantee that you'd see a correlation between where you're from and how you feel about her on the whole.
Also, if I was brought up in London I'd certainly feel very different about her vs growing up in a small mining community with 75% unemployment, if just by virtue of the people around me who were directly affected (positively or negatively) by her actions. I wouldn't hate her because I was from say, Newcastle, I'd hate her because what she did specifically affected my family or region.
In much the same way I wouldn't expect someone to feel particularly negatively about Kim Jong Il if they were brought up in a privileged family in Pyongyang vs say... a South Korean from Seoul.
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