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[CorvoSol]

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And that's Lilith's true form. For some reason, during those 14 years that we missed, Lilith awakened and took on her true form and both Lances were used to stop her and Mark 06. Then Gendo cut off her head. That head isn't proof that it's a sequel.

You're saying a

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giant Rei Ayanami head, the presence of two separate Liliths, one with the mask from End of Evangelion and one with a different mask altogether,

none of that seems suspect at all?

Besides, how do we know that

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that's how Lillith's true form is? I only remember that being how Lilith looked after Rei fused with her. And nobody mentions in Eva 3 seeing Lilith emerge from NERV.

 

[B.K.]

You're saying a

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giant Rei Ayanami head, the presence of two separate Liliths, one with the mask from End of Evangelion and one with a different mask altogether,

none of that seems suspect at all?

Where are there

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two Liliths?

 

[BlackGoku03]

I have never understood this argument. The TV ending is fucking weird, sure, but it actually ends on a positive note. The EoE ending ... well, I guess you could try to argue that it's ambiguous, but it's definitely not optimistic. The tone and the underlying message about human psychology and depression is IMO very different.

Supposedly, if I remember correctly, The TV ending is what was happening in his head and the movie is what really happened. Or some shit, IDK.

 

[Krev]

I have never understood this argument. The TV ending is fucking weird, sure, but it actually ends on a positive note. The EoE ending ... well, I guess you could try to argue that it's ambiguous, but it's definitely not optimistic. The tone and the underlying message about human psychology and depression is IMO very different.

They both depict instrumentality being presented to Shinji and his choice to reject it. They both affirm that you should stick around to face the pain of living and interacting with other people, rather than retreating into isolation or suicide.

 

[Jacob]

They both depict instrumentality being presented to Shinji and his choice to reject it. They both affirm that you should stick around to face the pain of living and interacting with other people, rather than retreating into isolation or suicide.

Fair enough, but the TV ending depicts Shinji gaining self-confidence ("maybe I can love myself!"), successfully interacting with other characters, and generally being in a better place than where he started the series. In the EoE ending, sure he rejects instrumentality, but he comes back to the real world still full of psychological problems and his last interaction with another character is

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trying to strangle Asuka

.

 

[CorvoSol]

Where are there

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two Liliths?

I haven't watched the other two in awhile, but I could almost swear you see

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them

. Maybe I'm wrong on that.

 

[polyh3dron]

Hurry up, April 24th.

And then hurry up, fansubbers.

 

[Crisco]

Is the English voice acting for the first two movies decent like in EoE or shitty like the tv series?

 

[CorvoSol]

Found it. There's

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The Lillith Misato shows Shinji underneath NERV with the Sachiel Mask, and then there's the Lillith Kaworu looks at on the moon, with the seven-eyed mask.

Granted, the wiki claims

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that that's Eva Mk. VI, but that doesn't preclude it being Lilith.

 

[Krev]

Fair enough, but the TV ending depicts Shinji gaining self-confidence ("maybe I can love myself!"), successfully interacting with other characters, and generally being in a better place than where he started the series. In the EoE ending, sure he rejects instrumentality, but he comes back to the real world still full of psychological problems and his last interaction with another character is

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trying to strangle Asuka

.

I guess you can explain it as the difference between making the decision to change and putting it into practice. I always viewed the TV ending as very internal and theoretical.

 

[javac]

EoE and the TV series are the same ending.

That's what I've accepted from the beginning. That the TV ending is all in Shinji's head, accepting who he really is and coming to terms with everything. EOE was what was happening in the real world.

It can be seen in different ways however and whether you see them as being separate or in the same timeframe, your not wrong. Eva is all about you analysing everything and coming to your own conclusion. That will differ depending on how you perceive things and the position you are in. That is what Eva is all about. The perceived truth.

Misato: For example, sunny days make you feel good.
Rei: Rainy days make you feel gloomy.
Asuka: If you are told this is so, then that is what you believe is so.
Ritsuko: But you can have fun on a rainy day as well!
Fuyutsuki: Your truth can be changed simply by the way you accept it. That's how fragile the truth for a human is.

I didn't prefer the TV ending per se. But I really resonated with it more. I loved both to death

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and rebirth

 

[B.K.]

Is the English voice acting for the first two movies decent like in EoE or shitty like the tv series?

It's Funimation, so it's pretty bad. Casshern and Fullmetal Alchemist are the only good dubs Funimation has ever done.

 

[Blader]

Found it. There's

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The Lillith Misato shows Shinji underneath NERV with the Sachiel Mask, and then there's the Lillith Kaworu looks at on the moon, with the seven-eyed mask.

Granted, the wiki claims

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that that's Eva Mk. VI, but that doesn't preclude it being Lilith.

I think the going theory right now is that the giant on the moon is one of the "Adams" from Second Impact. I think at some point in 3.0 they refer to Mark.06 as an Adam or something like that.

It's Funimation, so it's pretty bad. Casshern and Fullmetal Alchemist are the only good dubs Funimation has ever done.

the fuck

Yu Yu Hakusho has one of the best dubs ever produced, Funi or otherwise.

 

[Jacob]

I guess you can explain it as the difference between making the decision to change and putting it into practice. I always viewed the TV ending as very internal and theoretical.

I'm not trying to be contrary, but I felt that EoE carried a much more pessimistic message. Sort of like: you should keep on living, but it's still going to suck. I felt that this was at odds with the message of the TV series, which I saw as being about Shinji overcoming his own crippling self-loathing and doubt.

Javac is probably right that this is a very subjective matter of interpretation, though.

 

[CorvoSol]

I think the going theory right now is that the giant on the moon is one of the "Adams" from Second Impact. I think at some point in 3.0 they refer to Mark.06 as an Adam or something like that.

Yeah, but sticking it with that mask makes it kind of suspect. Why put that particular mask on it if not to make the viewer think that?

The weird thing about "Adams" though, is that

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In the TV series, Misato's memories of Adam make him (her?) look like a glowing Eva Unit 01. In Rebuild, though, her memories make Adam look like an army of glowing Rei Ayanamis, akin to the army of Reis seen in End of Evangelion.

 

[Crisco]

I don't think the events of EoE preclude Shinji ever being happy with his life. The dude had been alone for God knows how long until Asuka showed up and was probably on the verge of insanity. I like to think he was able to recover from that with time.

 

[Moaradin]

It's Funimation, so it's pretty bad. Casshern and Fullmetal Alchemist are the only good dubs Funimation has ever done.

What? No.

The dubs for the two movies were great. Better than the main series (I mean, that's not hard. It was pretty cheesy even though it did have it's charm). The returning cast was better and the new voice actors did a better job than the old ones.

 

[B.K.]

The weird thing about "Adams" though, is that

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In the TV series, Misato's memories of Adam make him (her?) look like a glowing Eva Unit 01. In Rebuild, though, her memories make Adam look like an army of glowing Rei Ayanamis, akin to the army of Reis seen in End of Evangelion.

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The Adams aren't the same as Adam. We still don't know exactly what the Adams are.

 

[javac]

While on the subject, what is your favorite episode?

I have this really heartfelt love for Those Women Longed for the Touch of Other's Lips, and Thus Invited Their Kisses which is Episode 15.

Really beautiful episode that always stuck with me for years.

 

[Blader]

I am not as brushed up on the Eva mythos as I used to be :lol, but iirc Adam in the tv series resembles a silhouetted Eva because they were trying place the same armor restraints on him that they put on the Evas to control him. So in a sense, Adam was also the first Eva.

It's hard to tell what happened with Lilith in between 2.0 and 3.0 since...none of it is explained at all...but if I had to guess, my bet would be that

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after sealing up Eva-01 and shuttling it into space, SEELE intended to have Mark.06 fuse with Lilith to bring about instrumentality. The 12th Angel revealed itself at this point and took over the Eva, so they had to abort their plan and have Mark.06 seal itself--along with Lilith and the angel--with the two lances.

While on the subject, what is your favorite episode?

I have this really heartfelt love for Those Women Longed for the Touch of Other's Lips, and Thus Invited Their Kisses which is Episode 15.

Really beautiful episode that always stuck with me for years.

For me, it has always been Episode 19: A Man's Battle

 

[Krev]

While on the subject, what is your favorite episode?

I have this really heartfelt love for Those Women Longed for the Touch of Other's Lips, and Thus Invited Their Kisses which is Episode 15.

Really beautiful episode that always stuck with me for years.

Yeah, it's beautiful.

I think that, episode 16 and 19 might be the peak.
I also love episode 9 for the gloriously animated dance battle.

 

[Epcott]

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The Adams aren't the same as Adam. We still don't know exactly what the Adams are.

This post confuses me to no end. I need to rewatch the original.

What I took from EOE is that in the end, Shinji's fate is an ironic twist or monkey paw, left with the one person on Earth who belittles him. Like Adam and Eve with eternal torture for good measure.

What I took from the TV ending is Shinji comes to terms (more character expose) and accepts himself and the situation he was thrust into, pulling the series full circle.

With E03...

I'm going to wait for the bluray and Final to make an assumption, but I'm glad it expands on the subject matter. As Asuka put it, "It's not all about you" (Shinji). But my goodness are things more convoluted.

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I just wish they explained what happened in the missing 14 years.

 

[B.K.]

This post confuses me to no end. I need to rewatch the original.

As far as we know,

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the Adams aren't even classified as Angels. Kaworu called himself the First Angel in 3.0. Hopefully we'll learn more about the Adams in Fina.

 

[Krev]

What I took from EOE is that in the end, Shinji's fate is an ironic twist or monkey paw, left with the one person on Earth who belittles him. Like Adam and Eve with eternal torture for good measure.

Shinji being left with Asuka was the only way it could have ended. She drives him to the rage and despair that causes him to reject the world, so when he choses to return to it, he has to face her, and it's a re-enactment of their last interaction.
If you think about it, the film is framed as being (at least partly) about Shinji and Asuka's struggle with each other, right from the opening scene.

 

[javac]

Yeah, it's beautiful.

I think that, episode 16 and 19 might be the peak.
I also love episode 9 for the gloriously animated dance battle.

This makes me happy to hear. Episode 15, 16 and 19 were also my favorites. There's something about the second half of Eva that I just absolutely adore. It's like a turning point. The first half was spectacular with episode 9 also being a fav of mine, but the second half of the series is just beautiful.

I also loved The Beginning and the End, or "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" which is episode 24. There's something bittersweet about the love relationship between Shinji and Kaworu.

There isn't a single bad episode in my eyes but these are the standout episodes.

 

[Krev]

24 is great, especially the very Kubrick Eva fight in Terminal Dogma, but I wish Kaworu had been introduced earlier, so as to give the episode more impact. As it is, the relationship is a bit pathetic, especially from Shinji's side.
Still one of the best episodes.

 

[javac]

Yeah I just loved how Shinji just wanted to be loved and all of a sudden this guy comes along. You can just see how conflicted and confused and yet happy he is. It wasn't his idea of love but he has found it in a place he didn't expect. But he finally felt loved. Kaworu seems nonchalant about it, while Shinji is all shy in his shell. I found it so cute and heartwarming. And then by the end you just feel devastated for him. Just a rollercoaster full of emotions.

 

[Blader]

As far as we know,

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the Adams aren't even classified as Angels. Kaworu called himself the First Angel in 3.0. Hopefully we'll learn more about the Adams in Fina.

I'm thinking that

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the Adams are collectively the Rebuild equivalent to Adam, with one of them becoming Kaworu and the other three becoming Evas 6, 9, and 13 (which are all referred to as Adams during the movie).

But who knows at this point.

 

[B.K.]

I'm thinking that

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the Adams are collectively the Rebuild equivalent to Adam, with one of them becoming Kaworu and the other three becoming Evas 6, 9, and 13 (which are all referred to as Adams during the movie).

But who knows at this point.

I'm pretty sure that

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Unit-01 is one of the Adams, too. One of the Adams had a third eye on its forehead like Unit-01 did when it awakened at the end of 2.0.

 

[Jo Shishido's Cheeks]

Shinji being left with Asuka was the only way it could have ended. She drives him to the rage and despair that causes him to reject the world, so when he choses to return to it, he has to face her, and it's a re-enactment of their last interaction.
If you think about it, the film is framed as being (at least partly) about Shinji and Asuka's struggle with each other, right from the opening scene.

She does?
His father making 'him' battle Toji positions him on the edge and killing Kaworu pushes him over it and into deep despair.
Asuka amplified the rejection he felt from his father but I'm not sure that she's the biggest catalyst for his condition/position.

 

[HEALTH_DISCO]

Not related but this Dark Souls X Evangelion is quite impressive !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi44ajVrmSE

Enjoy fellow gaffers

 

[B.K.]

Two more weeks until 3.33!

 

[Zeroth]

I'm pretty sure that

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Unit-01 is one of the Adams, too. One of the Adams had a third eye on its forehead like Unit-01 did when it awakened at the end of 2.0.

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The problem is that Unit-01 has an AT-Field, which is something all Adams lack.

Not related but this Dark Souls X Evangelion is quite impressive !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi44ajVrmSE

Enjoy fellow gaffers

Funny enough, a gaffer posted the video, so:

GAF -> Internet -> GAF

 

[patrickthehedgehog]

My favorite episodes include Those women longed for the touch of others' lips, and thus invited their kisses. and Splitting of the Breast as well.

Other, off-beat favorites include:

Asuka Strikes!
Always loved the setting for this episode. The blue water / blue sky. Awkward dinner convo with Kaji. The cool looking Eva Unit 02 (It's the final production model!) and the sweet theme for Unit 02 with the guitar solo. See also: Shinji in a female plug suit. NICE CURVES!

Lilliputian Hitcher
Originally I wasn't a huge fan of this episode. After a recent rewatch I appreciated the well created tension, the well designed computer displays by Gainax Shop (is that right?), and the backstory about Ritsuko and her mother. Ritsuko recently became one of my favorite characters. More interesting than likable. The inside of the Magi look cool.

Hell, I've even warmed up to the Jet Alone episode, A Human Work. Does a good job of showing off Misato's serious side. Also, that ending is so sappy/wonderful. "It means you're family." D'awww.

I'll always love Evangelion TV. It feels human.

 

[B.K.]

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The problem is that Unit-01 has an AT-Field, which is something all Adams lack.

Anno can always retcon that in Final by saying

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that that is a side effect of Yui's soul being in Unit-01's core. I don't think there's been any hints that the other Evas have souls inside them in Rebuild.

 

[Krev]

She does?
His father making 'him' battle Toji positions him on the edge and killing Kaworu pushes him over it and into deep despair.
Asuka amplified the rejection he felt from his father but I'm not sure that she's the biggest catalyst for his condition/position.

I was talking about the exact moment when he literally decides to start third impact, the first strangulation scene. For sure, the Bardiel and Kaworu incidents are the central episodes in his downfall over the course of the series.

 

[BHK3]

American Blu Ray when? End of the year?

 

[PairOfFilthySocks]

While on the subject, what is your favorite episode?

I have this really heartfelt love for Those Women Longed for the Touch of Other's Lips, and Thus Invited Their Kisses which is Episode 15.

Really beautiful episode that always stuck with me for years.

The kiss of Doom episode, right? It's one of the few without any angel appearance and yet one of the most popular.

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Wow I had no idea it was a fan favorite. I always felt out of place and an anomaly or something. It makes me happy that people enjoyed that episode. The whole series is spectacular but that episode is my favorite.

Hey, I'm not going on very much evidence here, I got the impression it was well-liked on account of being something of a turning point for a bunch of the main characters.

 

[B.K.]

American Blu Ray when? End of the year?

2014.

 

[javac]

The kiss of Doom episode, right? It's one of the few without any angel appearance and yet one of the most popular.

Wow I had no idea it was a fan favorite. I always felt out of place and an anomaly or something. It makes me happy that people enjoyed that episode. The whole series is spectacular but that episode is my favorite.

 

[patrickthehedgehog]

Wow I had no idea it was a fan favorite. I always felt out of place and an anomaly or something. It makes me happy that people enjoyed that episode. The whole series is spectacular but that episode is my favorite.

I remember watching the show with my dad as it came out on VHS. At exactly this episode he complained that it was boring. Guess he only cared for the action. Poor taste, dad!

 

[Blader]

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The problem is that Unit-01 has an AT-Field, which is something all Adams lack.

They do?

 

[Jo Shishido's Cheeks]

I was talking about the exact moment when he literally decides to start third impact, the first strangulation scene. For sure, the Bardiel and Kaworu incidents are the central episodes in his downfall over the course of the series.

Ahhh, gotcha! You're right.

 

[Zeroth]

They do?

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Yep. The AT-Field Shinji used in the fight with Asuka came from the mini-angels that were floating around Eva-13. The other time one of they showed an AT-Field was Eva-13 after it awakened. The Adams never produced AT-Fields.

 

[javac]

Hey, I'm not going on very much evidence here, I got the impression it was well-liked on account of being something of a turning point for a bunch of the main characters.

Yeah I mean we can only go by anecdotal evidence really so who knows. I always got the impression people loved the action more hence the death threats and Backlash gainax received for the original ending. At the same time I'm sure they received a bunch of letters from people like myself who enjoyed the end and such episodes.

I remember watching the show with my dad as it came out on VHS. At exactly this episode he complained that it was boring. Guess he only cared for the action. Poor taste, dad!

Heh I guess some people prefer action. My dad's worse, he labels all anime as cartoons and a few days ago princess mononoke was on TV and while I was watching it he was like wtf lol. So your dad might have bad taste but he's still awesome!

 

[Replicant]

Why is the bump? Oh, the blu-ray. No English, I assume? Since it's Japanese release.

Well, may as well post this favorite GIF of mine:

 

[javac]

Why is the bump? Oh, the blu-ray. No English, I assume? Since it's Japanese release.

We are just taking about THE BEST ANIME EVER!

But seriously yeah the blu-ray is coming out soon. Japanese audio only with no English sub. It's out on the 24th. 1st press gets a soundtrack and a Rei mouse pad as an external bonus from CD Japan.

 

[Bob Coffee]

The talk in this thread makes me want to revisit eva tv. Its been years since I've watched it.

 

[javac]

The talk in this thread makes me want to revisit eva tv. Its been years since I've watched it.

Do it! I'm gonna watch it again soon as well. I've watched it so many times over the years but it's so good when you come back after a while.

 

[Freezasaurus]

Is there any word yet on an Eva 3.33 Blu-Ray with English subs?