EDGE: "Meet NeoGAF, the hardcore community shaping the games media agenda"

Kylehimself said:
Well I mean, you've obviously read the piece and disagreed with him. I read it and agreed with him. I could explain which parts until I'm blue in the face -- that's not a pun on my avatar -- but we already know you aren't going to accept it. So why bother?
Click to expand...
Because we want to know why we should know he's right.
 
24146986.jpg


Didn't know Lore was once a bigger man.
You did good, son.
 
linkratos said:
Because we want to know why we should know he's right.
Click to expand...
It's my opinion that he is correct. I'm not asking you to accept anything he types. And again, what further explanation could I give if you don't agree with his original content? Everything is there in his writing. Either you agreed or you didn't. I did.
 
I see the game industry as more of a huge raging river. NeoGAF is a large rock stuck in the middle of it. If you are in the river and crash into it full on? It is going to really hurt. But if you are smart you just swim around it and the river keeps right on flowing to wherever it all ends.
 
Kylehimself said:
Well I mean, you've obviously read the piece and disagreed with him. I read it and agreed with him. I could explain which parts until I'm blue in the face -- that's not a pun on my avatar -- but we already know you aren't going to accept it. So why bother?
Click to expand...
This neogaf bro. We got that made up collective to get you fired.
 
Jinfash said:
I was reading the Cliffy blog post and I couldn't help but wonder about parts of what he said. With the growing popularity of this site, and the occasional role it plays in some industry events or controversies, that this "collective ego" he spoke of does not only exist but is at risk of being exploited and abused?

For example, I get the feeling that some posters are so conscious of this, that by being active members with thread posting privileges they believe have a power they wage in their personal vendettas. Sometimes a thread title and/or OP with be so misleading, skewed, or taken out of context that I can't help feel that it's a deliberate attempt at aiming crosshairs at certain issues in hopes to stir the community and unleash their ire.
Click to expand...

gaf is probably the best when it comes to detecting crap and taking away thread making privileges or banning users for making crappy/suspicious/agenda threads.

so I dont think that has a merit... as to Cliffy's post, it has nothing to do with gaf at all. Guy lost it completely on twitter. Whose fault is that? gafs? i dont think so. it was meltdown, and he needs some help.

if anything Microsoft should be happy for gaf being their focus test team... and they should be able to show bosses how people simply dont want always-on forced onto them.

If after this and simcity Microsoft didnt learn anything, they deserve whats coming to them.

(personally I dont care either way, I dont see anything wrong, but then again I dont pretend everyone should have same opinion as me).
 
Kylehimself said:
It's my opinion that he is correct. I'm not asking you to accept anything he types. And again, what further explanation could I give if you don't agree with his original content? Everything is there in his writing. Either you agreed or you didn't. I did.
Click to expand...

This is weird.

You come here to express your opinion, get asked why because people want to have a discussion about it, and then back down because you think that they're going to disagree with you (and him) anyway, so there's no point in debating it?

I disagree with Cliffy as well, especially considering he called me a pirate. I'm open to opposing points of view. Maybe you'll change someone's mind.
 
EviLore said:
I should start a podcast. That way people can disseminate my vapid hyper-ego bluster to the far reaches of the internet with minimal personal effort. It'll be even better than having an unemployed blog!
Click to expand...

Awwwwwww yissssssss

Also can I get an SN shout out from you evilore if you do the podcast?
:D
 
Chie Satonaka said:
This is weird.

You come here to express your opinion, get asked why because people want to have a discussion about it, and then back down because you think that they're going to disagree with you (and him) anyway, so there's no point in debating it?

I disagree with Cliffy as well, especially considering he called me a pirate. I'm open to opposing points of view. Maybe you'll change someone's mind.
Click to expand...
Except it's not weird at all. I came in to the thread for a look, came across the link, I quoted it and said I agree with what he said. I hadn't intended on saying anything beyond, I agree with this.

Somebody asked me to explain myself and my answer was why? He had already read over the piece and had disregarded it. To explain myself would only serve to go round in circles and reiterate what was already posted by Cliffy in the original piece.

So if you wish to know my stance on the matter you need only look over the link. I don't really care enough to get in to it because I don't imagine the conversation would get anywhere. Particularly since we both already know that we will disagree from the get go.
 
Cilffy's attempts to justify always-online systems are total bull. Also, Adam Orth didn't just have a "slip-up". He displayed blatant contempt for gaming consumers on a highly sensitive issue, and he did so repeatedley through tweet after tweet.

The industry's attempt to villify gaming communities that take issue with the proclemation that the piss pouring over their heads is actually rain is getting tiring.
 
Jinfash said:
For example, I get the feeling that some posters are so conscious of this, that by being active members with thread posting privileges they believe they have a power they can wage in their personal vendettas. Sometimes a thread title and/or OP can be so misleading, skewed, provoking, or taken out of context that I can't help but feel that it's a deliberate attempt to aim crosshairs at certain issues in hopes to stir the community and unleash their ire.

Recent examples include the previous title of this thread, and the thread dedicated to CliffyB's post. I hope I'm not seeing things where they don't exist, but it's been a growing concern of mine.
Click to expand...

Nah, I know what you mean. It seems like there's been a lot of drama being stirred up lately. Usually there's a kernel of truth that kicks it off, but it can get out of hand and often turns into a pile-on. It's easy enough to ignore but I'd be disappointed if industry folk stopped showing up here due to the possibility of someone trying to stir up shit.
 
If MS decides not to have required online for Durango, will everyone thank neogaf?

Since we were responsible for Orth getting fired, obviously anything related to required online should be attributed to us.
 
publicpwnerer said:
Just to briefly touch upon the whole "GAF single entity" thing....all one would have to do is simply skim the pages of the Orth thread to see just how polarizing the issue has been between the GAF community.
Click to expand...

Exactly. The very fact that there was debate on the issue (and every issue) seems to be ignored.

PairOfFilthySocks said:
Cilffy's attempts to justify always-online systems are total bull. Also, Adam Orth didn't just have a "slip-up". He displayed blatant contempt for gaming consumers on a highly sensitive issue, and he did so repeatedly through tweet after tweet.

The industry's attempt to vilify gaming communities that take issue with the proclamation that the piss pouring over their heads is actually rain is getting tiring.
Click to expand...

Exactly my point. It wasn't a slip up. It wasn't an interview where he got blind-sighted and fumbled a poorly worded answer. He didn't have to post anything at all. He started the conversation. He advertised his employer. He faces the consequences.
 
Kylehimself said:
I don't really care enough to get in to it because I don't imagine the conversation would get anywhere.
Click to expand...

seems silly to be posting on forums and then claiming you dont want to have conversation about opinions made, doesnt it? whats the point then in posting it in the first place?
 
Kylehimself said:
Except it's not weird at all. I came in to the thread for a look, came across the link, I quoted it and said I agree with what he said. I hadn't intended on saying anything beyond, I agree with this.

Somebody asked me to explain myself and my answer was why? He had already read over the piece and had disregarded it. To explain myself would only serve to go round in circles and reiterate what was already posted by Cliffy in the original piece.

So if you wish to know my stance on the matter you need only look over the link. I don't really care enough to get in to it because I don't imagine the conversation would get anywhere. Particularly since we both already know that we will disagree from the get go.
Click to expand...

"I have an opinion but I don't care enough to defend it or elaborate on it when asked."

Okay.

This is the kind of stuff that impedes discusson. It's funny that people accuse GAF of being a hivemind and an echo chamber, but things like this happen.
 
spwolf said:
seems silly to be posting on forums and then claiming you dont want to have conversation about opinions made, doesnt it? whats the point then in posting it in the first place?
Click to expand...
Why does every post made have to result in further conversation? Sometimes I discuss, sometimes I don't.

I'm doing some work and decided to take a break and browse GAF for a bit. I spotted a post and expressed agreement with it. Why are you bothered whether I choose to leave it at that or not?

Chie Satonaka said:
"I have an opinion but I don't care enough to defend it or elaborate on it when asked."

Okay.

This is the kind of stuff that impedes discusson. It's funny that people accuse GAF of being a hivemind and an echo chamber, but things like this happen.
Click to expand...
I don't care enough to get in to it a the moment. If I were to get in to it it would require posts much longer than the ones I'm making. Anyway, I've made my opinions on the matter clear in the previous threads. So if you care so much about my opinion, you can find it.
 
GAF is the best place you can go to if you're a gaming enthusiast, I don't care what anybody else says; It's the best aggregator of news, it has thousands of users each day so discussion is always fluid and prompt, there are so many people with varying interests that you'll always find somebody who shares your own - and the moderation is strict and fair.
 
Kylehimself said:
Somebody asked me to explain myself and my answer was why?
Click to expand...

Put up or shut up. If you agree with him, fine. If you post about it and expect to be taken seriously, you should expect to defend your position. If you can't handle trying to defend your position, then you shouldn't have posted in the first place.

Life.
 
donny2112 said:
Put up or shut up. If you agree with him, fine. If you post about it and expect to be taken seriously, you should expect to defend your position. If you can't handle trying to defend your position, then you shouldn't have posted in the first place.

Life.
Click to expand...
KuGsj.gif
I eh, I don't really care if you take me seriously or not. No sleep will be lost.
 
Kylehimself said:
Except it's not weird at all. I came in to the thread for a look, came across the link, I quoted it and said I agree with what he said. I hadn't intended on saying anything beyond, I agree with this.

Somebody asked me to explain myself and my answer was why? He had already read over the piece and had disregarded it. To explain myself would only serve to go round in circles and reiterate what was already posted by Cliffy in the original piece.

So if you wish to know my stance on the matter you need only look over the link. I don't really care enough to get in to it because I don't imagine the conversation would get anywhere. Particularly since we both already know that we will disagree from the get go.
Click to expand...

Look at all the fucks you don't give.
 
BlazingDarkness said:
GAF is the best place you can go to if you're a gaming enthusiast, I don't care what anybody else says; It's the best aggregator of news, it has thousands of users each day so discussion is always fluid and prompt, there are so many people with varying interests that you'll always find somebody who shares your own - and the moderation is strict and fair.
Click to expand...

This, plus it consists of users from all over the world so it covers all time zones, which means it basically never stops. Immediatism at its best for gamers. It really is an awesome community.

EviLore said:
Look at all the fucks you don't give.
Click to expand...

lol oops.
 
Jinfash said:
I was reading the Cliffy blog post and I couldn't help but wonder about parts of what he said. With the growing popularity of this site, and the occasional role it plays in some industry events or controversies, that this "collective ego" he spoke of does not only exist but is at risk of being exploited and abused?

For example, I get the feeling that some posters are so conscious of this, that by being active members with thread posting privileges they believe they have a power they can wage in their personal vendettas. Sometimes a thread title and/or OP can be so misleading, skewed, provoking, or taken out of context that I can't help but feel that it's a deliberate attempt to aim crosshairs at certain issues in hopes to stir the community and unleash their ire.

Recent examples include the previous title of this thread, and the thread dedicated to CliffyB's post. I hope I'm not seeing things where they don't exist, but it's been a growing concern of mine.

And let's not forget that even though claims of "collectives" and "hive-minds" are highly questionable, even downright offensive especially to anyone who puts so much effort in articulating personal opinions and emphasizing individuality, the forum is (unfortunately) being advertised as such to outsiders -- especially in the wake of similar incidents such as the recent one. Such an image can be extremely attractive to die-hard enthusiasts who just started hearing about the forum and where it lies on the map. As opposed to what many believe (members and non-members), the community is not static; there's as constant influx/outflux of members with all kinds of opinions, expectations and even agendas.

I don't know. I've got lots of unorganized thoughts and mixed feelings, I guess. But let's just say that I hope everyone continue trying to be a little more responsible.

VUh5jdf.jpg
Click to expand...

Sigh, not this again. Wario made the previous Cliffy thread. It was a factual posting of information. All the people in the thread did was break down his 'argument' and show how foolish and contrived it was. While people on neogaf started to discuss it in a adult manner, Cliffy used trolling posts that would get normal members banned, but he made GoW so people think his idiotic postings are funny. When people started doing in depth critiques, instead of addressing their points like an adult, Cliffy went on twitter and claimed he wasn't going to talk to trolls and posted logical fallacies to demean the evil 'NeoGaf collective'.

I can post a recap of the thread (the original thread is long) but I'm kinda tired of doing that every time someone here thinks his musings are profound.

---------

Secondly, as you mentioned GAF isn't a hivemind, it's just a collection of individuals that would not only have no issue pointing out the hyperbole of each other, but disagree on the color of the sky.
 
Casimir said:
Sigh, not this again. Wario made the previous Cliffy thread. It was a factual posting of information. All the people in the thread did was break down his 'argument' and show how foolish and contrived it was. While people on neogaf started to discuss it in a adult manner, Cliffy used trolling posts that would get normal members banned, but he made GoW so people think his idiotic postings are funny. When people started doing in depth critiques, instead of addressing their points like an adult, Cliffy went on twitter and claimed he wasn't going to talk to trolls and posted logical fallacies to demean the evil 'NeoGaf collective'.

I can post a recap of the thread (the original thread is long) but I'm kinda tired of doing that every time someone here thinks his musings are profound.

---------

Secondly, as you mentioned GAF isn't a hivemind, it's just a collection of individuals that would not only have no issue pointing out the hyperbole of each other, but disagree on the color of the sky.
Click to expand...

I definitely agree that cliff is being incredibly obnoxious with his false analogies and poorly constructed straw men. He has gone so far as to call everyone who doesn't like always online 'pirates' (or insinuate they are).

He might be a great computer programmer, but his grasp of logic and coherent arguments leaves a lot to be desired.
 
Casimir said:
Sigh, not this again. Wario made the previous Cliffy thread. It was a factual posting of information. All the people in the thread did was break down his 'argument' and show how foolish and contrived it was.
Click to expand...
This is the thread I had in mind, it was locked before long*

And I don't really follow Cliffy's activity on GAF, so there might be a discrepancy between his attitude here and what was conveyed in the blog post. I didn't agree everything he said mind you, but the bits I brought up resonated with me. And to those who replied to my post, I don't find anything you guys stated necessarily disagreeable, however I was talking in a broader sense about a general concern, and used the recent debacles as examples.

* Which brings up another point: I'm glad that there is seemingly a more active role being taken in regulating such thread with similar potential, as there should.
 
Agree and disagree with the article. Far too much of GAF is too eager to jump on this and jump on that, and prove this and argue that. It's valiant sometimes, embarrassing sometimes. I generally never post on Gaming side for a number of reasons; too many threads to keep up with, volume of post being too high, not really more than a casual gamer, but generally its because its where you'll find the worst of the site. People like Dyack acted like a fucking moron when he came on NeoGAF, but by giving them some sense of deification/demonisation (delete as appropriate), you're just giving them attention. C'est la vlie.

EviLore said:
Look at all the fucks you don't give.
Click to expand...

Pointless, really. Banned because he's not elaborating on something? How silly.
 
Soriku said:
He's probably already rich. And well, if he enjoys running the site and doesn't want it to get ruined by a corporation, great.
Click to expand...

Still, doesn't make it less impressive that he turned it down.

But who is Evilore/Malka? Edge should also write about the man behind GAF. That would be very interesting.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

We need true hardcore games
2
64
872
OuterLimits replied
  • Poll
NeoGAF Official Game of the Generation Thread [Midgen Edition] (WINNER: Elden Ring)
Community Poll  2 3
138
2K
Touch fuzZy. get BizZay replied
Game Tracking
Community 
41
562
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt replied
Official Neogaf 3DMark Timespy league table - the ULTIMATE epeen showdown
Community Hardware Platform  6 7 8 9 10
452
18K
dEvAnGeL replied
  • Poll
Rate the State of Play June 2025
Community  7 8 9 10 11
519
1K
FalsettoVibe replied
Top Bottom