5 Dead in Illinois shooting (inc. 2 children)
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Hero_of_the_Day
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Guys, Rhomega Beta is obviously fucking with you all.
But Australia is much smaller! ... or whatever Fox will say...
Whoever did that in 1996 was clearly a fan of Hitler.
But rape has sky rocketed! Thieves run the cities and there are a million home invasions a day! The criminals have all the guns!
Oh...wait.
Arjen
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I hope so.
Cow Mengde
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But you need guns to protect yourselves from all the dangerous animals in Aus!
jim-jam bongs
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Do you believe that the US government is a tyrannical one?
EightBitNate
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Fuck, that's terrible. I have a couple relatives who live around there, but my brother tells me they're alright.
1/10
If guns are banned then only kangaroos will have guns.
gravitybear
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Case in point that guns are a large portion of the problem, at least when it comes to fatalities:
http://wgntv.com/2013/04/09/texas-college-stabbing-14-injured-2-in-critical-condition/
dude only has a knife. Goes on a stabbing spree. Stabs 14 people. Nobody dies.
If he had guns most of them would have died. Taking guns away reduces the lethality potential. If we arent going to control for mental problems (which we really don't in this country), we should at least reduce the amount of damage they can do.
Got a knife? I can run from you if I'm faster. Got a gun? Shoot me in the back, dead.
http://wgntv.com/2013/04/09/texas-college-stabbing-14-injured-2-in-critical-condition/
dude only has a knife. Goes on a stabbing spree. Stabs 14 people. Nobody dies.
If he had guns most of them would have died. Taking guns away reduces the lethality potential. If we arent going to control for mental problems (which we really don't in this country), we should at least reduce the amount of damage they can do.
Got a knife? I can run from you if I'm faster. Got a gun? Shoot me in the back, dead.
jim-jam bongs
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Those pouches are like bandoliers
smokeandmirrors
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Because freedomz
gravitybear
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I don't think there's more hatred or a greater percentage of murderers here. I think there is simply more access to the means than in other countries.
Choke on the Magic
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Your post is pretty bad. Not that I'm surprised. You usually post this type of nonsense whenever there's a thread about guns/shooting. I just don't appreciate being refered to as an idiot because you want to post your emotional knee jerk reaction to a shooting.
GoldenEye 007
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Eh, he had an Exact-o knife. It's like an extra sharp box cutter. But your overall point isn't lost at all.
Freedom
I mean these types of shootings happen almost daily in poor areas. I remember chicagoans almost jokingly celebrating one whole day without any (reported) gun incidents. That's how common they are.
Mammoth Jones
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RIP, to those killed 
I wish some people held as much contempt and blame towards the shooter as they do towards the inanimate piece of metal and polymer.
Personally I don't have enough facts about this incident to know one way or the other if the recently proposed legislation that was defeated in the senate would have made any difference. I really don't.
I wish some people held as much contempt and blame towards the shooter as they do towards the inanimate piece of metal and polymer.
Personally I don't have enough facts about this incident to know one way or the other if the recently proposed legislation that was defeated in the senate would have made any difference. I really don't.
The more it happens, the more normal it is. School shootings are one thing that you guys go crazy about, but you don't know what its like to live in an area where shootings are a very normal activity and pastime.
Dark Octave
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You know who also doesn't have guns? A lot of other peaceful countries that aren't under any dictatorship.
vas_a_morir
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RIP, to those killed
I wish some people held as much contempt and blame towards the shooter as they do towards the inanimate piece of metal and polymer.
Personally I don't have enough facts about this incident to know one way or the other if the recently proposed legislation that was defeated in the senate would have made any difference. I really don't.
I understand. We DO hate the shooter. We also realize that because of the inanimate equipment you mentioned, the shooter was able to end more lives more efficiently. Where do you draw the line? Why not automatic weapons? Why not RPGs? After all, it's not the rocket-propelled Grenade that kills people; people kill people, right?
But, I mean no disrespect. And I agree that if I were to accept that gun-rights were a sacred-cow not to be touched any way, there are still other means of helping the problem.
gravitybear
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RIP, to those killed
I wish some people held as much contempt and blame towards the shooter as they do towards the inanimate piece of metal and polymer.
Personally I don't have enough facts about this incident to know one way or the other if the recently proposed legislation that was defeated in the senate would have made any difference. I really don't.
The legislation would hardly do anything, but it would be a start. Apparently the database that law enforcement uses to do the current background checks is old, slow, inaccurate.
I would like to see, in tandem with mandatory background checks for all purchases, some money thrown to the FBI to update the background check database to state of the art. Right now it is just old/patchwork updates.
Space Avocat
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Choke on the Magic
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RIP, to those killed
I wish some people held as much contempt and blame towards the shooter as they do towards the inanimate piece of metal and polymer.
Personally I don't have enough facts about this incident to know one way or the other if the recently proposed legislation that was defeated in the senate would have made any difference. I really don't.
From what I read of it on the senate website, it seemed to be a worthless bill. It never put in detail how the UBC would work and alot of the gunshow loophole/background checks legislation had language that I perceived to give the AG a lot of latitude to make additional regulation at his/her discretion.
A good portion of the bill was unavailable at the time for me to read online so I couldn't view all the amendments made before it was actually voted down.
I think you're overreaching by saying that people wanting stricter gun controls as a whole means the country wants guns to go away.
Mammoth Jones
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Last time I checked laws were meant to do something, not "hardly anything".
Perhaps this person was someone that slipped through the cracks of the background check system or purchased it at a gun show without a background check. But we don't know that yet. But people want to use this as a soap box to prove their point when no point can be "proven" with the facts available in this case outside of "See! All guns are bad, ban the bad things."
The issues with the NICS is that not all psychiatric hospitals in most states even report into it. Hell, there are people that have been declared by a judge to be mentally incompetent and they haven't been entered into the system. There's also the problem of known felons *not* being prosecuted from lying on their background check and trying to obtain a weapon.
Link
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Do you think you could take on the government? If not, then congratulations, I'm not talking about you.
jim-jam bongs
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If Fox had a different political affiliation they would have spent the next day leading with stories about how the NRA want to legalise crack.
GoldenEye 007
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Well we should get rid of the majority of drug laws out there. But I imagine Oliver's point was more to highlight the hypocrisy there on part of what the NRA leadership wants to enforce or not.
Choke on the Magic
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No, but hypothetically speaking I'd definitely resist a truly tyrannical government. Wouldn't you?
GoddyofAus
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Seriously, how anyone in America are not marching down to the NRA HQ by the hundreds of thousands at this point is just staggering. It's time for you guys to face facts: you're way too apathetic towards this. You should be making your outrage known loud and clear.
Mammoth Jones
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Personally I think all drugs should be decriminalized at the very least. The drug war is an epic failure that can't be enforced and has costs untold lives and treasure. Decriminalizing -all- of them and refocusing the money that would have been spent on enforcement and imprisonment on treatment centers and educational measures would do society far more.
You'd also see the violence rate across the board go down. But hey, keep playing the NRA as the boogeyman. That has always worked out well.
Easy: The NRA didn't shoot those people in the face.
http://www.nrainstructors.org/docs/trainer_ethics_guide.pdf
http://training.nra.org/nra-gun-safety-rules.aspx
Just read those and you know what...I didn't see "gunning innocent people down" as a chapter.....
Various Artists
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Extreme violence happens without guns too as seen here
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/25/world/asia/violence-in-western-china.html?_r=0
and last week in Boston. Some people are just crazy.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/25/world/asia/violence-in-western-china.html?_r=0
and last week in Boston. Some people are just crazy.
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The Autumn Wind
Of course, but using that as an argument against any kind of gun regulations is disingenuous at best and completely moronic at worst.
If the US were to become tyrannical (which is virtually impossible considering all the moving parts), we're not going to be very effective in stopping them. We'd be far out-firepowered.
Great argument, lets just forget about all the normal countries with gun control out there
TacticalFox88
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Various Artists
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So, theoretically, you think why bother trying?
you know, when you put it that way.... i hate you.
Baraka in the White House
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I think you know the answer to this question. BANG BANG.
Choke on the Magic
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March down to the NRA HQ because someone shot 5 people in a home? When you have details of how it's the fault of the NRA let me know. Unless your arguement is the ability of civilians to own firearms.
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