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[zroid]

Let me start with what is probably the most obvious, but also the most important example:

FFVI basically has three versions, and unfortunately none of them are ideal to play today. I don't know about you, but this really frustrates me.

The original on SNES is notoriously buggy and its English release's localization has to a large extent been written out of canon. The PS1 version fixes some of the problems but is also plagued with awful load times. The GBA release is arguably the most modern but is unfortunately saddled with the GBA system's various limitations, most notably its massively downgraded audio.

I'm sure some will rebuff this, claiming the SNES original is perfectly fine, but I disagree. The game needs to be released in a form which perfectly aligns with the original vision, and none of these three options meet this criterion.

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Earlier today, someone mentioned Persona 3 also finds itself in this category. I have not played the game, but from what I understand of its various incarnations, I can easily believe it.

What other games fall into this trap of not having an ideal way to play them? I'm sure the most severe cases entail the existence of multiple versions, each with major drawbacks, but some cases where a game was released once but not in an ideal state might also fit the billing.

 

[Bururian]

How about Kingdom Hearts 1?

 

[Napalm_Frank]

How about Kingdom Hearts 1?

...the HD version?

 

[Skyzard]

What other games fall into this trap of not having an ideal way to play them?

Ultimate Sega collection on a handheld. Would probably cut the need to 'homebrew' by like 50%. Only the complete edition of course. Missing Sonic titles...are you kidding me Sega.

Anything that could be, and isn't on a handheld is not the definite version. Sorry for slightly off-topic.

 

[Cheesemeister]

In before FFVII.

 

[Hypron]

Resident Evil 4... If only the PC port had been decent this wouldn't be a problem.

 

[Napalm_Frank]

In before FFVII.

I don't think people get this thread at all.

 

[Dion Blaster]

Wind Waker. Could become the best 3D Zelda with the right fixes.

 

[Jailer of Hope]

FFIV with original sprites, no glitches, good localization.

 

[Sophia]

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Turtles in Time.

There's no version that exists that combines the unique turtle abilities, additional levels and superior boss battles of the SNES version with the superior graphics, music, and 4 player mode of the arcade game.

 

[PK Gaming]

Fire Emblem 4 (Fire Emblem: Genealogy of the Holy War) was predictably never brought over. It hasn't received a remake of some kind, which is a shame because it's arguably one of the best FE games, and it has hands down the best story in a fire emblem game to date. (All of those supposedly "new" features that were in FE: Awakening like the marriage system, actually originated in FE4)

PS: This game also had the best FE villain ever.

 

[Tyrant Rave]

Came to say Persona 3. FES and Portable have their pros and cons, it'd be nice to have a version with the best things from both.

 

[1st Course]

Dragon Dogma.

 

[Persona7]

Persona 3 FES is not considered the definitive version?

edit : That is right, I totally blanked on the new features in P3P

 

[Napalm_Frank]

Persona 3 FES is not considered the definitive version?

It's missing the female main character option for example.

 

[Sophia]

Persona 3 FES is not considered the definitive version?

Inferior user interface and lacking full party control. The Female Protagonist also deserves better than a compromised visual novel too.

 

[Femmeworth]

Basically every Final Fantasy before IX. Edit: I'm assuming IX has a good localization and VIII has significant room for improvement.

 

[Murrah]

Basically every Final Fantasy before IX.

Yeah, it's pretty incredible how there's still not really a definitive version of IV despite all the remakes

 

[Napalm_Frank]

Basically every Final Fantasy before IX.

What is wrong with western version of VII for example?

Exept some silly translation thingys but its not like people are whining for it to be changed and play japanese version to avoid it.

 

[Schadenfreude]

Came to say Persona 3. FES and Portable have their pros and cons, it'd be nice to have a version with the best things from both.

Yup. I wish we could get a P3 Golden.

 

[sn00zer]

I think this pretty much only applie to Japanese games...translations fixes/new fixes alwasy seem to fuck things up

 

[Semajer]

It has to be Resident Evil 2. I can't think of any other game that has more different version with exclusive content.

There are versions with the Extreme Battle minigame, only the N64 version has changeable blood options, the EX files, and that analogue control method. The Dreamcast (and maybe PC) version has that exclusive Nightmare difficulty mode. Also there's the VMU health display on the Dreamcast version. The Japanese versions have their own separate difficulty modes. The PC version has the highest quality cutscenes, and the Gamecube version is the only one with skipable cutscenes.

It's a mess. I think a definitive 3DS version that includes all of this, and the upgrades from RES would make one hell of a game.

 

[Femmeworth]

What is wrong with western version of VII for example?

Exept some silly translation thingys but its not like people are whining for it to be changed and play japanese version to avoid it.

I guess I'm in the minority that wants a new localization for VII.

 

[WrenchNinja]

Yup. I wish we could get a P3 Golden.

Never know, maybe Atlus will release Persona 3 for a fifth time with all the content.

 

[polyh3dron]

Dragon's Dogma needs a version that doesn't have a horrendous frame rate.

 

[PK Gaming]

Yup. I wish we could get a P3 Golden.

There'd probably a huge stigma on that game since that would make it the 4th iteration of Persona 3.

Spoiler

i'd still buy it in a heartbeat though

 

[BocoDragon]

I guess I'm in the minority that wants a new localization for VII.

Naw it seems like a no brainer to me. The translation of VII is abysmal.

The only reason I'd agree with that other guy is because I don't get the sense there's much that I'm missing about the plot without it

still who wouldn't want something better than what's there now?

 

[Zekes!]

Secret of Mana definitely needs a remake that will never happen

 

[les papillons sexuels]

In before FFVII.

the pc version is the definitive version.

 

[randomkid]

FFIV with original sprites, no glitches, good localization.

You're looking for the European GBA release.

Yeah, it's pretty incredible how there's still not really a definitive version of IV despite all the remakes

See above!

 

[PaulExcellent]

Persona 3 Platinum when the movie comes out. Use P3P changes, and make me happy.

Rocksmith - Master Edition would be awesome. Some DLC, the Best Buy exclusives, etc.

Aromatherapy: Final Fantasy: Complete Song for the 3DS. Would includes most, if not all DLC songs that I didn't buy because I'm cheap.

 

[TUSR]

Kingdom Hearts series on a single blu-ray with an app like the Metal Gear Solid Database

 

[Napalm_Frank]

Naw it seems like a no brainer to me. The translation of VII is abysmal.

The only reason I'd agree with that other guy is because I don't get the sense there's much that I'm missing about the plot without it

still who wouldn't want something better than what's there now?

I just don't see FFVII being a good answer to this thread. If there was a version with a good translation that was othervise shitty it would fit this thread but it isn't about games that could be improved, its about games with multiple versions with no definitive one.

 

[Jamix012]

Mario 64 (Give me DS content with Original's controls)
Persona 3
Final Fantasy 4
Resident Evil 4 (Unless the PS3 HD version supported Move?)
Zelda: Twilight Princess (Give me both control options)

 

[Femmeworth]

I just don't see FFVII being a good answer to this thread. If there was a version with a good translation that was othervise shitty it would fit this thread but it isn't about games that could be improved, its about games with multiple versions with no definitive one.

VII technically has competing versions, because the PC version has some improvements.

 

[BocoDragon]

I just don't see FFVII being a good answer to this thread. If there was a version with a good translation that was othervise shitty it would fit this thread but it isn't about games that could be improved, its about games with multiple versions with no definitive one.

Yeah I see what you're saying and agree. Just if we are talking about VII re-translation, the answer is "yes please".

 

[brianmcdoogle]

I'd like to see Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty with the original ending, or at least a better explained / expanded ending since much was cut due to 9/11. Outside of that? Wind Waker, with the added dungeon and, again, a fixed endgame (well, penultimate endgame with the Triforce quest).

 

[LiK]

Wind Waker. Could become the best 3D Zelda with the right fixes.

Wii U version incoming. Maybe the cut content will be added back in. I also hope they make the Triforce hunt not terrible.

 

[Shinta]

Kingdom Hearts series on a single blu-ray with an app like the Metal Gear Solid Database

It'll be two blu-rays, but other than that we're getting it.

Probably won't have KH 3D, but I think it'll have everything else. Can't wait.

 

[MvmntInGrn]

Interesting thread though what constitutes the need for a definitive version is fairly subjective.

Resident Evil 4 for example. We have the original GC game, the PS2 version with added content but cut visuals, then the Wii version with the added content, GC visuals, and new controls options. Of these the Wii version is definitive.

But then there are the HD console and PC versions based off the PS2 version (if I recall correctly). Do we consider the upgrade in resolution to be a feature equivalent to added content? If so than even the Wii version is not definitive.

It has to be Resident Evil 2. I can't think of any other game that has more different version with exclusive content.

There are versions with the Extreme Battle minigame, only the N64 version has changeable blood options, the EX files, and that analogue control method. The Dreamcast (and maybe PC) version has that exclusive Nightmare difficulty mode. Also there's the VMU health display on the Dreamcast version. The Japanese versions have their own separate difficulty modes. The PC version has the highest quality cutscenes, and the Gamecube version is the only one with skipable cutscenes.

It's a mess. I think a definitive 3DS version that includes all of this, and the upgrades from RES would make one hell of a game.

Is the 3DS screen even a high enough resolution to display the cutscenes at an equal quality to the PC version (don't know what resolution they are)? Not to mention it would ultimately likely be a visual downgrade from the IQ of the DC/GC/PC versions unless they completely remake the game (and seeing as the background are pre-rendered and assumedly 4:3 they would likely need to be). Still does seem that only the 3DS would be able to incorporate a feature that would equal the VMU health display.

 

[Vashetti]

Final Fantasy XII English Zodiac Job System HD

Edit: Also inb4 'play it on PCSX2'!

 

[Slime]

Final Fantasy XII English Zodiac Job System HD

This!

With a DLC component where they can continue to release maps and quests forever and ever so I never have to stop playing this game.

 

[Krappadizzle]

Resident Evil 2 get's my vote too. It has way too many different versions out there.

 

[AgentOtaku]

Yeah, it's pretty incredible how there's still not really a definitive version of IV despite all the remakes

What's so bad about the PSP version of FFIV?

Also, I'd like a "definitive" version of the following (and don't say PC):

Bully - Give me the visuals of the Wii version with the controls of the PS2 one. All those extra shaders given to PC and 360, ruined the look for me.

MGS3/3D - Basically the framerate of the Vita version combined with the shaders of the 3DS Version. Also, bring in crouch-walk and OTS shooting.

I'll post some more as they come to me....

 

[gamemadmax]

Forza Motorsport

 

[Schadenfreude]

Never know, maybe Atlus will release Persona 3 for a fifth time with all the content.

5th? P3, P3 FES, P3P. Which one am I missing?

Spoiler

i'd still buy it in a heartbeat though

Same here and i've bought the game 3 times.

 

[BGBW]

I'd say a lot of the Advance ports fall under this category since they will all suffer from weaker sound but provided more content. Of course one would have to consider whether Mario spouting "JUST WHAT I A NEEDED!" every five seconds in Super Mario Bros 2 makes it the definitive version.

 

[TasTokyo]

Not sure I would say 'desperate' need. However I would like a definitive version of Ninja Gaiden 2.

There is lots of great added content to the Sigma version however it also has some problems not found in the first version. So when I want to play it I'm always a little lost which version to go with. I usually end up doing main story on 2. Then side content on Sigma 2.

 

[MCD]

I saw mods enhancing FF4 GBA release like the color palette. Maybe there is one for the audio.

 

[archnemesis]

Counter-Strike is now split between three different versions, all with their own pros and cons. They're all similar enough to be considered the same game and yet none of them stand out as being strictly superior to the others.