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[Plinko]

This thread basically confirms that all the "legitimate concerns" regarding the Durango, especially in the 6 months thread, are mostly from Sony fanboys with an agenda.

It's really fucking hilarious the amount of mental gymnastics people in this thread are going through to discredit this leak.

EDGE online =/= "Sony fanboys with an agenda"

Plus, they didn't address the no used games thing at all. You'd think if they were purposely trying to quell damaging rumors that would be in there if it allowed used games.

 

[dragonelite]

Now pump up the GPU to some acceptable level and we are friends again microsoft.
Something like 2.0 Tflops but that is a pipedream so i will be okay with 1.7+ TFlops.

 

[shandy706]

Glad to be in the club that never believed this. It made no sense.

I'm just glad to see Sony providing another console for me to enjoy with the PS4 and I can't wait to play any new exclusives Microsoft provides. I'll be Live Gold and PS+ going into next gen.

No RROD and crappy PS3 design decisions this time....hopefully

 

[Nibiru]

We all threw a fit over used games but now we ignoring it because theres some good news.

This is true screenshots from Microsoft’s Durango SDK proved that they would block preowned games. Ps4 will not. Maybe Microsoft has changed their minds on that too.

 

[Beermeister]

Good news if true.

 

[enzo_gt]

They're equal evils. I'd also argue that eliminating used games may actually be more damaging to Microsoft than always online.

No way. Always online DRM alienates large parts, I might even say most, of the world because of the largely unreliable Internet services available across the world, and sets a precedent in the industry and for publishers who can extend their policies onto the PS4 as well for parity. Even if its just like a heartbeat like Thurrott suggested. Stricter DRM control encompasses a capability to block used games and more.

Used games screws over Japan and people who borrow their games/don't support devs/publishers directly. Yeah I'd take a console I can turn on whenever/wherever over blocking used games in a world where games drop more rapidly than ever post-release and can be found at used game prices, new.

 

[Ricker]

Goddamnit,I thought this was it this time,the first paragraph sounds like fact and it's from Ars Technica,who are pretty reliable but then you have this in the next paragraph:

''How far this offline support will extend still isn't clear.'' lol...Annnnnnd we are back to square one and waiting on the 21st hehe...

 

[Hydrargyrus]

These are not "good news". I would say that are "not so bad news"...

 

[Mastperf]

Always online is definitely the greater of the two evils; I don't understand how it could not be considering the much grander implications beyond you and your buddy not being able borrow your game.

Your physical software losing all resale value the instant you activate it is a significant issue.

 

[Dunlop]

Breathe for a second dude.

 

[EvB]

Microsoft has earned the cynicism they are faced with. No fanboyism or mental gymnastics required.

By being a corporation with no other reason for existence other than taking our money? Unlike Sony or Nintendo, who do it purely for the fun!

 

[artist]

Wooo. Check!

Now we need another against no used games.

no way edge said otherwise

Could have changed unless you were trying to be intentionally obtuse.

 

[Baconsammy]

EDGE online =/= "Sony fanboys with an agenda"

Plus, they didn't address the no used games thing at all. You'd think if they were purposely trying to quell damaging rumors that would be in there if it allowed used games.

Gamestop pretty much confirmed the used game thing was bullshit when they recently said they were incredibly excited about the Xbox release. A huge change in position from their months of whining about what the lack of used game sales would do to the "industry".

 

[Bgamer90]

"I'll believe negative news from a gaming site I rarely go to but I won't believe news that has been reported as being from MS themselves!"

Unbelievable lol.

 

[PopcornMegaphone]

If Microsoft deviates from what we want here as hardcore gamers, then yeah I'd want them to fail. Same goes for Sony.

Both Sony and MS have deviated from hardcore gamers. Do you want them both to fail?

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Breathe for a second dude.

This news is definitely causing a few mini meltdowns. I had no idea some were so invested in the always online rumours being true.

 

[la flama blanca]

By being a corporation with no other reason for existence other than taking our money? Unlike Sony or Nintendo, who do it purely for the fun!

So obtuse. Microsoft is...Microsoft. It's become so redundant to state how Microsoft has earned their bad image.

Both Sony and MS have deviated from hardcore gamers. Do you want them both to fail?

Have you been paying any attention to the PS4's marketing so far?

 

[PopcornMegaphone]

Plus, they didn't address the no used games thing at all. You'd think if they were purposely trying to quell damaging rumors that would be in there if it allowed used games.

The used game thing kinda died after the positive remarks from the Gamestop CEO regarding Durango.

 

[statham]

this is spreading fast, most websites picked up on it.

 

[Spongebob]

While this is good news, a mandatory Kinect console is still a big turnoff for me. It also doesn't help that MS has a weak first party lineup.

 

[DragonSworne]

Breathe for a second dude.

When reading online messages, the readers personality and emoitional state largely affects the tone of the message than the actually contents.

In this case, I suggest you breathe, especially since you it important to quote all my posts-

 

[Nibiru]

"I'll believe negative news from a gaming site but I won't believe news that has been reported as being from MS themselves!"

Unbelievable lol.

This isn't fair because pretty much every story written on "always on" was based on a "controlled leak" like this one so there is no difference.

 

[Impeccable]

"I'll believe negative news from a gaming site but I won't believe news that has been reported as being from MS themselves!"

Unbelievable lol.

To be fair to everyone, why is Ars more reliable than any other given site? I don't know why they are seemingly gospel but I'm extremely relieved to read this new rumour.

Like if I wanted to be cynical Microsoft still hasn't said anything.

 

[enzo_gt]

Gamestop pretty much confirmed the used game thing was bullshit when they recently said they were incredibly excited about the Xbox release. A huge change in position from their months of whining about what the lack of used game sales would do to the "industry".

Also this. It was like night and day. I don't know how that isn't indicative of an MS rep clearing up things behind the scenes in the face of erroneous rumours.

 

[Baconsammy]

So obtuse. Microsoft is...Microsoft. It's become so redundant to state how Microsoft has earned their bad image.




Have you been paying any attention to the PS4's marketing so far?

And yet another Xbox thread turns into an anti-Microsoft pro Sony thread.

 

[Cidd]

Wow, the negativity about positive news, I'm not sure many here are gamers at all.

 

[PopcornMegaphone]

Have you been paying any attention to the PS4's marketing so far?

You mean the one where they had that goofy motion control demo during the PS4 announcement? How about adding the expensive blu-ray to the PS3?

edit - look, the PS4 looks awesome, but let's be realistic.

 

[MikeE21286]

When reading online messages, the readers personally largely affects the tone of the message than the actually contents.

In tgis case, I suggest you breath, especially since you it important to quote all my posts-

I'm not even sure what that first sentence even means. But I was just responding to you since you quoted me.

 

[Doffen]

While this is good news, a mandatory Kinect console is still a big turnoff for me. It also doesn't help that MS has a weak first party lineup.

You've seen their lineup?

 

[Subitai]

I remember when I worked at Fry's and PS3 was about to hit, there were guys camping out 2 weeks before.

 

[la flama blanca]

And yet another Xbox thread turns into an anti-Microsoft pro Sony thread.

Feel free to make a anti-Sony thread. I'll come in and bash Sony too. I've been wanting to make one for a while now at how Sony has to screw something up eventually.

You mean the one where they had that goofy motion control demo during the PS4 announcement? How about adding the expensive blu-ray to the PS3?

edit - look, the PS4 looks awesome, but let's be realistic.

That goofy motion control demo was weak sure, but considering how credible Media Molecule is, I let it pass. WTF to the blu-ray part, that makes no sense. The PS4 is hitting all the right notes for the community here as hardcore gamers, there's no reason why the PS4 should be this forums favorite console at this point considering MS hasn't shown us anything yet. Anything is subject to change, that IS the reality.

 

[OG Loc]

Came here for the meltdowns and accusations of fanboyism. I won't be leaving disappointed.

 

[Karsticles]

I'm not saying this is wrong, but I'd like to know:
1) How this e-mail got to ArsTechnica when everyone who received it is under NDA.
2) Why Microsoft had to tell the people working on the system that it would not be always online (why is that important?), why they didn't already know this, and why they didn't just send one to the news media, which is who they should be talking to.
3) Why that one Microsoft employee (creative director, I forget his name) got so up-in-arms over the issue if the system wasn't even always online to begin with.

If it is true, it sounds like it might be a reaction to fan outcry. That seems unlikely, though, because changing something in DRM like this at the last second would have to be discussed with a lot of publishers who were on board with that policy. It's just an odd situation in general.

 

[thuway]

For months I have been hearing otherwise, but if this is true, I am very happy.

 

[KillerTravis]

Maybe I'll be getting an Xbox again this gen.

 

[grimshawish]

Have you been paying any attention to the PS4's marketing so far?

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What marketing...or do you mean the reveal where Cerny talked sense but forgot to deinvite Sony's software developers?

 

[statham]

Breathe for a second dude.

thats a meltdown.

 

[ultim8p00]

Not true at all. I've seen plenty of casual to hardcore xbox fans state their concern over the "always online" rumor. And if there are examples of so called fanboyism, why address them? It makes you look just as stupid as they are.




By wanting Microsoft to cater to the hardcore audience, there's an acknowledgement that of course Microsoft isn't going to listen to a bunch of nerds exclusively, but at least we will have a voice enough to make some kind of difference. By saying we want them to fail, it's more of a statement without being a real legitimate threat.

Which is why I said "mostly." There were a few people, including Xbox fans, with legitimate concerns. Read before you respond next time, because right now you sound like...you really took my comment to heart

 

[Jeanmamadou]

I was wondering if using our smartphones internet capabilities could help.

If the next Xbox wants to check everything is alright before launching a game, what about connecting the console to the internet through my phone ?

Even if I don't enjoy a proper landline-based internet connection, that would do the deal, wouldn't it ?

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

To be fair to everyone, why is Ars more reliable than any other given site? I don't know why they are seemingly gospel but I'm extremely relieved to read this new rumour.

Like if I wanted to be cynical Microsoft still hasn't said anything.

.

 

[NeoUltima]

Glad they came to their senses.

I bet they were actually considering it. Only explanation for them taking so long to deny the rumors. Unless they believe 'bad press is better than no press' thing.

 

[dancmc]

Your physical software losing all resale value the instant you activate it is a significant issue.

Sure, it is a major issue for those of us that sell games back to buy new ones. It's a shame that the used game market has cut out publishers/developers from the pie; but I am definitely one of those that sell my used games; and only buy new ones with the proceeds. If the new xbox or PS4 identified a new model for doing that which would still net me the same thing (i.e., new games for selling my rights to my used games); I would be okay with that.

Edit: on-topic, I really think this latest news is probably a lot closer to the final truth.

 

[Neuromancer]

While this is good news, a mandatory Kinect console is still a big turnoff for me. It also doesn't help that MS has a weak first party lineup.

We don't know what their upcoming first party lineup is. Unless you mean historically.

 

[Impeccable]

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Okay but wouldn't Paul have this exact same information?

 

[DragonSworne]

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Peter being trustworthy is worthless since this rumor comes from an internal email from Microsoft, not peter.

We need to question the trustworthy of the email, not peter.

 

[Baconsammy]

Feel free to make a anti-Sony thread. I'll come in and bash Sony too. I've been wanting to make one for a while now at how Sony has to screw something up eventually.

This isn't an anti-Microsoft thread. It's good news.

 

[Uno Venova]

To be fair to everyone, why is Ars more reliable than any other given site? I don't know why they are seemingly gospel but I'm extremely relieved to read this new rumour.

Like if I wanted to be cynical Microsoft still hasn't said anything.

I haven't heard much of their credibility regarding next gen rumors. If they are as credible as EDGE and other sites, I also don't see how their rumors cancel out others like some are suggesting.

 

[Spongebob]

We don't know what their upcoming first party lineup is. Unless you mean historically.

Yes, historically.

 

[la flama blanca]

Which is why I said "mostly." There were a few people, including Xbox fans, with legitimate concerns. Read before you respond next time, because right now you sound like...you really took my comment to heart

Your post was dumb as fuck, thats why I took it to heart. Maybe you should stick to being reasonable with your posts instead of ending them with fanboy rubbish.

This isn't an anti-Microsoft thread. It's good news.

My point is that Microsoft doesn't have the best track record, and I agree, this is definitely good news. I hope the next good news is that LIVE is free.

 

[travisbickle]

this is spreading fast, most websites picked up on it.

It's like the internet isn't actually anti-Microsoft, but instead spreads any news it feels has some legitimacy!