I don't think so, blocking used games is really shady, I could put up with Kinect.
Microsoft: Next Xbox will work even when your Internet doesnt
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I don't think so, blocking used games is really shady, I could put up with Kinect.
la flama blanca
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Exposed? Back pedaling? What? Since you're so keen on looking through my history, please find out where I may have mislead people to NOT think I was pro Sony. My point from the start was how people like you end up shitting up threads by being childish to the point where other peoples opinions aggravate you enough to make shitty posts by acknowledging or responding in an immature manner. You don't like what someone said? Just ignore it and move on. I can see you are trying your best to win an e-argument so I'll just go ahead and concede and say you won if thats what makes you happy.
Baconsammy
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Well we do know that Microsoft has taken some pretty shitty steps this gen to stop people from playing games early (banning people that bought legit copies). I wouldnt be surprised if they have a way to ensure with 100 percent certainty that people can't play them early next gen. And I wouldnt blame them for doing it.
I could see no-used-games turning people off, but based on what Gamestop recently said, we can pretty much put that rumor to bed also. Forced-Kinect isn't going to stop the masses from buying it. It will most likely encourage more people to buy it.
Neko Mimi Mode
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As before, I believe the EDGE rumor.
Takuya doesn't employ blatant anti-MS rhetoric? Have you been in any other Durango threads before? This is not an isolated incident and GAF is not an island, the guy's infamous.
I'm still waiting for you or anyone else to give me a good reason not to believe this report.
BibiMaghoo
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Yes. You think MS don't have this covered with the employees that are receiving documents relating to a product that has not yet been announced?
Or do you think, that every dude working for MS got this email? It is not so simple to leak things like that.
Psycho_Mantis
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Is there any evidence suggesting this is true?
No. Its just like rumours that say a really close dev told them this and that. Until I see the email I ain't believing it. May 21st cannot come soon enough.
Basically its a secondary source and I only believe rumours that come primary sources: (devs actual saying things, people who work at MS etc)
XtremeXpider
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Is it really impossible? I remember last gen they used some kind of alteranive reality, what if some rumors are really faked from MS?
Miles Quaritch
Member
A Steam approach? So online activations? The same activations I've long suspected would replace online passes. Makes sense.
Um, what?
gaming_noob
Member
What's so bad about fans high-fiving each other over potential good news?
What's wrong with ass grabbing, in general?
maabus1999
Member
The twist will be that the 720 is actually a Steam-Box.
The more off-the-shelf parts MSFT (and Sony) use, combined with Steam's already working "Big Picture" mode, I don't see it as far fetched to turn either console into a Steam Box.
It would never happen for obvious reasons, but it could be done.
If you were MS you wouldn't want anyone knowing about it except from them directly, they could spin it to seem like a benefit, so no I doubt they would do that, but they could easily just be putting this out there.
If they were faking rumors wouldn't it be better to fake positive rumors?
I find it hard to believe that MS would mess with gamers for the purpose of messing with gamers.
Yes but online passes were only for the online component so people will still complain about it.
Wouldn't employees coming out and confirming it with evidence essentially be breaking NDA?
Yes.
Well if you re-read what I posted right after I quoted you, it might make a little more sense.
I'm treating all of them as rumor, what's hard to comprehend about that? I have said that in the past, but I don't need to repeat it every time I reply to the topic. I don't believe all the rumors, but I do recognize that EDGE has been right on PS4, VGLeaks has gotten some things right (and does have another thing correct as far as I know, but we'll see at E3) but VGLeaks has also been wrong. As I said, they are rumors.
Sony has a track record of making incredible claims about their consoles. Remember Ni-Oh, Eyedentity, Fifth Phantom Saga, Killing Day, Eight Days. 2 HDMI and 120 frames a second.
NullPointer
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Well, that is good news.
I don't know any more than anybody else here, but all of these rumors seemed at the very least to be about floating an idea out there and fishing for reactions - and the reaction has been swift and vehement, and a good one in my eyes.
Its always better to make your voice heard while changes can still be made, rather than after the fact.
XtremeXpider
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Well, now we are getting "possitive" rumors.
Baconsammy
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I'm going out on a limb here, but I think he changed his tune on the next Xbox for a reason. And that reason is that used games are still going to be a thing.
Kill Your Masters
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Exactly, draconian DRM is not really basic functionality. The guy that makes the Console intro or the guy that makes the system-sounds doesn't need this info to get his job done.
That's the bigger question.
I want to be able to trade my games in for credit to GameStop/Amazon.
As long as it doesn't put the price up to high I bet people would love it.
I doubt the used game rumor is true but the gamestop thing doesn't disprove it.
Nothing, just your willful denial of the significant interpretation required to understand the statements as is.
I've worked with plenty of technical/engineering people in IT. If I sent any of them the statement you made as a project requirement, they'd all immediately ask me what the hell that means.
Jezbollah
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I dont just read what is quoted, sometimes you have to decipher what has NOT been quoted. It's part of the whole smoke and mirrors thing.
Also, I saw the SDK reference to "always online" - I've seen enough pre-production Microsoft kits/documentation as part of my work to have a heavy inclination of what we will see in a few weeks.
You're pretty quick in calling out console warriors for doing exactly the same thing you do yourself.
Truth is, everything is rumour until official, but things become more probable when there are more sources. My guess is, though, this is one thing that Microsoft can change, and might probably just have.
maabus1999
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IMO, the technology is there to limit it, but for PR reasons I bet they go with "Publishers Decision" to pass the buck off.
And I wouldn't not be surprised if Sony does the same thing (especially if large third parties WANT to limit 2nd hand sales).
Steam has shown the system works on the PC, and taking all these rumors and stories together, the big picture is telling me that the "always on" requirement is for installations only.
Psycho_Mantis
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I guess thats a no then.
Well that's IT.
A big stretch from people who are working directly on the console itself, has been in project and product meetings, etc. or anyone with the slightest grasp on the terminology.
Call it willful denial all you want. Doesn't change facts.
Miles Quaritch
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I don't doubt it. I expect a furore when it's revealed games need to be activated, but it's a lot better than simply blocking used games. Selling them might prove a lot less fruitful though, but it won't kill the used game market, just make it less of a money maker for Gamestop/see more money in the pockets of publishers/developers.
In this case, it's sort of almost point blank saying it's not online, when someone plain states it I don't think you need to decipher anything.
I expect they will add anything to single player to justify "always on" like you must be connected to know your performance compared to your friends or additions such as surveillance cameras in Watch Dogs Which can be used by other players in single player .. this Applications may be good if it is not Mandatory
No, that would make the final product look bad.
NullPointer
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Paying a subscription fee to use an internet browser, or to stream content you've already paid for doesn't make sense either really.
After all the craziness we've witnessed this gen, I don't know how people can have their "gaming industry common sense" meters properly calibrated.
MikeE21286
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Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
But that doesn't come close to ruling out Microsoft charging $10-$20 to let consumers play those used games, which is where I see this heading and, to me, almost just as bad.
oh wow, that'd be something
So Halo 5 has no story?
BRocknRolla
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Couldn't care less about whatever little lover's quarrel you and whoever else have going with this guy. He's saying it's a rumor, and that's an entirely logical stance to take on this report.
There is nothing wrong with believing a rumor. Believe it if you want. I certainly want to believe it. I am not saying it's true or false. How would I know? How would any of us know? I am saying that it is a rumor. That's all I'm arguing.
There are any number of good reasons it might be true, and I find Kotaku's suggestion of warring factions within MS particularly intriguing, but there is no way to prove any of it in a positive or negative way unless someone comes out from MS and confirms or denies it.
After seeing the internet reaction to their earlier intended (rumored) policy about the online requirement, they did a U-turn and have now implemented the new offline solution?
Guess we would never know, till years later someone from the inside confirms how it was before shinobi's thread and how it was after. ( Before anyone takes my case - it refers to the online requirement policy)
Guess we would never know, till years later someone from the inside confirms how it was before shinobi's thread and how it was after.
( Before anyone takes my case - it refers to the online requirement policy)Considering the price that Gamestop sells their used games at, it's just as bad.
It's more stuff than just using your internet though.
The point of putting all of that behind a paywall is to make people think Gold is worth it, when it's not really.
Orochinagis
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What about wait for the official response at 21 May? its not that far from today.
Im only worried about using my 360s and GoDs games in the new xbox.
Im only worried about using my 360s and GoDs games in the new xbox.
its far too late to make changes like that. they have probably have had the xbox set in stone for a year now.After seeing the internet reaction to their earlier intended (rumored) policy about the online requirement, they did a U-turn and have now implemented the new offline solution?
Guess we would never know, till years later someone from the inside confirms how it was beofre shinobi's thread and how it was after.
immortal-joe
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"Leak" news to gamers that offline play is happening, pretend like they never considered always-online, come out as pro-consumer heroes.
Next, they'll announce a fuck-ton of money-hatted deals in their reveal conference + E3 and no one will even remember this issue (or any other negative issue regarding Durango).
So what is the benefit of telling employees about Xbox features so soon from reveal event? The message quoted in OP sounds close to a PR piece you send out to media outlets, almost like they are trying to sell the product to their employees. Either they already know the vision of the product and won't need to be reminded or they were kept in the dark but still managed do their job perfectly fine (meaning this new info does nothing to make their job easier.)
Man-is-Obsolete
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^^^^^Or it is fake....I agree though the language used and being so close to the reveal is strange. Don't you think the XBOX team would know about this, like months ago?
Is the author of the article employed by Ars or is he just a contributor like the ones seen on Forbes? His blurb at the bottom of the article says he is a Microsoft Contributor for Ars.
Is the author of the article employed by Ars or is he just a contributor like the ones seen on Forbes? His blurb at the bottom of the article says he is a Microsoft Contributor for Ars.
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