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-I really hope that Pete does something positive this season. Anything. I like the character, and part of me pulls for him to redeem himself in some way despite his grimeyness. He just seems tragic to me.

-Coffee guy is getting way too much screen time to not be leading up to something.

-Over the last season and this one I've really started to dislike Harry. I cant put my finger on it but he is driving me nuts.

-Don is turning into Walt 2.0. Clawing his way further and further down the ass tunnel while still being a mesmerizing character.
 
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Not really going to comment on that Salsa other than to say I disagree. I think you are missing a large part of what is going on with Don and the thematic nature of the show. You might benefit from watching some of the interviews Weiner has done this year, in particular the Fresh Air segment on NPR.
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Don is turning into Walt 2.0. Clawing his way further and further down the ass tunnel while still being a mesmerizing character.
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Mad Men premiered and aired a full season a year before Breaking Bad came out. I've only watched the first season of Breaking Bad but I've never understood the comparison between these characters; they both do bad things but have very different character and motivation.
 
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Jackben said:
Mad Men premiered and aired a full season a year before Breaking Bad came out. I've only watched the first season of Breaking Bad but I've never understood the comparison between these characters; they both do bad things but have very different character and motivation.
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That's probably because you've only seen one season, Walt's "THIS IS FOR MY FAMILLLLYYYY" definitely shifts from genuine to an excuse as he gets more power.
 
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Except Don has never made a single life-changing decision in the name of family, neither genuinely or superficially.

Megan's affinity for his children may have turned his head towards her more which is ultimately what drew him to her over Faye, but it was really more about having a wife again and an improved chance at building a the kind of marriage he wanted for himself. Don lies about a lot and projects false reasoning but I don't think he's ever claimed any decisions that actually matter as being made for his family.

They both do bad things and lie. That's as far as the comparison goes from what I can tell.

But you're right, I've only seen one season. I just dislike the comparison based on what I've seen. BB and Mad Men are very different shows.
 
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Content Round Up - Week 6 - For Immediate Release

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Videos:
- Promo for next week's episode (please spoiler tag any discussion, youtube vid)
- Inside the Episode (youtube vid)
- Janie Bryant on Costumes in Episode 6 (youtube vid)​

Reviews:

Other:
- AMC Q&A with Christina Hendricks
- The meet up in the Chevy lobby: Mitch Ryder & The Detroit Wheels - Baby Jane (Mo-Mo Jane)
- Ad Age: 'Mad Men' Recap: Size Matters (business side recap of the episode)
- Washington Post: Why Sterling Cooper Draper Pryce would be a terrible stock
- NY Mag: Mad Men’s Rich Sommer Defends Harry Crane’s Reaction to Martin Luther King Jr.’s Assasination
- NY Mag Video: Watch the Ultimate Don Draper Pitch
- Variety: Kevin Rahm (Ted) Talks ‘Mad Men’
- Wired: ‘Everybody Loves an Astronaut’ - Seeing Mad Men Through Its Ads
- NYT Dealbook: The ‘Mad Men’ I.P.O.
- Grantland: Mad Men Power Rankings, Episode 606: 'For Immediate Release'
- NY Mag: How Characters on Mad Men Think About the Future
- Poniewozik: Mad Men Character Study: Meet the Old Don. Same As the New Don?
- NY Times Auto Blog: Mad Men Shifts Gears
- Business Insider: Don Draper's Fake Ads Are Terrible Compared To Real 1960s Ads
- Warming Glow: 20 Fun, Obscure Facts You Might Not Know About The Cast Of ‘Mad Men’
- Rolling Stone Q&A: 'Mad Men' Actor Kevin Rahm on Sunday’s Game-Changing Episode
- Baltimore Sun Q&A: Baltimore's Stephanie Drake (Meredith) of 'Mad Men'
- Tom & Lorenzo: Mad Style: For Immediate Release
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That should be just about everything from this week.
 
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Jackben said:
BB and Mad Men are very different shows.
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Word.

I hadn't watched BB until this past Fall/Winter and now that I have seen the whole thing, the constant comparisons baffle me greatly. Everything about them is different.

Comaprisons to the Sopranos are much more apt-- they are the same style, with similar things they are trying to do. BB is something else entirely. And The Wire is something else apart from all of them.

I guess people just liek to compare things.
 
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I have a feeling that bob is goin to replace someone.

Harry maybe.
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I could see that. Harry literally went out of his way to start beef with all the partners (except don who doesn't particularly like him either) so this Merger would be a golden opportunity to fire him.

Then Pete would take that time to promote his sidekick to someplace with power.... the lessen here being kiss the right ass and you'll get far in life.
 
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I liked the episode, but the nitpicker in me didn't like that they would be trying to go public without every partner intimately aware of the plans in detail after several discussions.

Second, a merger just doesn't happen, they could pitch it as an idea, but putting two companies together takes much more than a handshake of one partner from each firm.
 
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Yeah, I don't get the BB and Mad Men comparisons either.

Gilligan has SPECIFICALLY said that he doesn't believe in giving each episode a theme, like a chapter in a novel.

Weiner has SPECIFICALLY explained that's how he envisions every episode.
 
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sonicfan said:
I liked the episode, but the nitpicker in me didn't like that they would be trying to go public without every partner intimately aware of the plans in detail after several discussions.

Second, a merger just doesn't happen, they could pitch it as an idea, but putting two companies together takes much more than a handshake of one partner from each firm.
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Not telling Don seems perfectly reasonable.
 
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I forget, is Don actually way richer than everyone else (except for Roger and Bert?) or does he actually just not care about money?

Did he just make a ton at the original company and save it really well?
 
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sonicfan said:
I liked the episode, but the nitpicker in me didn't like that they would be trying to go public without every partner intimately aware of the plans in detail after several discussions.

Second, a merger just doesn't happen, they could pitch it as an idea, but putting two companies together takes much more than a handshake of one partner from each firm.
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I had the same issues, but rationalized thusly:

The IPO hadn't really goen anywhere official yet despite the mood. There had been no Due Dilligence yet, as stated. What they had was an agreement from a banker at what he'd want to issue share at. It was a little chickens-before-hatched attitude of Pete, Joan and Bert, but necessary for the story.

The merger isn't done yet. They had an agreement (that presumably Don and Roger ran past the others by phone) to merge and an agreement to run the campaign together. If they gloss too quickly over the fact that a merger is complicated business (even for privately-held firms with few partners) I will be annoyed.

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I forget, is Don actually way richer than everyone else (except for Roger and Bert?) or does he actually just not care about money?

Did he just make a ton at the original company and save it really well?
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Don, Bert and Roger made out extremely well on the sale of SC to Lane's firm. Bert and Roger were already fabulously rich as well. They had to put a lot of money into SCDP, but presumably not so much as to hurt their own fortunes.

Prior to Megan and post-Betty, Don hardly spent anything.
 
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Ignatz Mouse said:
Don, Bert and Roger made out extremely well on the sale of SC to Lane's firm. Bert and Roger were already fabulously rich as well. They had to put a lot of money into SCDP, but presumably not so much as to hurt their own fortunes.

Prior to Megan and post-Betty, Don hardly spent anything.
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Roger and Don have both been through divorces though; we know Roger needed the money when SC was sold. They're wealthy, but surely not enough to let the company slide and still live the way they do.


Hope we'll get to see more of the friendly chatter between Stan and Peggy, it's makes of a change for people to actually have healthy friendships in the office. I assume that he would have forgiven her by now. With Stan being the head of the art dept by default, Peggy isthe head of copy writing, add in Ken and there could be a team of decent and able people that actually get on with each other.
 
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Do you guys think the whole thing with Ken wanting to leave SCDP is done with? There was that episode where we learned he was a successful novelist, along with multiple conversations between him and Peggy about leaving together. Now that she's "coming back" in a way, is he going to be bitter, or was that something the writers decided not to develop?
 
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Everyone was pressuring him to quit writing and multiple people blew his cover out of jealousy (pete) or admiration (Salvatore). Eventually he had to take on a pen name. Then when that was discovered they finally told him to decide between that or the company and he appeared to stop. Which is sad because SCDP went behind his back on multiple occasions to screw his clients (ketchup) and pursue his family's account after he asked them not to or to consult him first.

If I was Ken I would keep writing anyway as it's pretty unfair how they've treated him.
 
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Wool said:
Do you guys think the whole thing with Ken wanting to leave SCDP is done with? There was that episode where we learned he was a successful novelist, along with multiple conversations between him and Peggy about leaving together. Now that she's "coming back" in a way, is he going to be bitter, or was that something the writers decided not to develop?
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I could actually see the series ending with Ken/Peggy starting their own firm.
 
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Jackben said:
Everyone was pressuring him to quit writing and multiple people blew his cover out of jealousy (pete) or admiration (Salvatore). Eventually he had to take on a pen name. Then when that was discovered they finally told him to decide between that or the company and he appeared to stop. Which is sad because SCDP went behind his back on multiple occasions to screw his clients (ketchup) and pursue his family's account after he asked them not to or to consult him first.

If I was Ken I would keep writing anyway as it's pretty unfair how they've treated him.
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Didn't he keep writing under a different pen name? I remember the final shot of the episode being him and his wife in their bedroom, with him writing a new story and signing it differently.
 
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Fuu said:
Didn't he keep writing under a different pen name? I remember the final shot of the episode being him and his wife in their bedroom, with him writing a new story and signing it differently.
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Oh damn I missed that. Well good on him.
 
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- The New Yorker: Don Draper vs Detroit - Remembering Chevrolet's 'Mad Men'-style Ad Campaigns
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This was brilliant. The last paragraph truly shows that Mad Men has really captured the atmosphere of the times that real agency people and the consuming public lived in:

The nearest Corvair advertising ever came to dramatizing the subversive advantages of this interesting car was to make it… cute. Indeed, the august agency chairman, a Buddha-like figure in girth and remoteness from everyday life (he never set foot in his own creative ghetto in all my time there), took it upon himself to create Corvair ads. His masterpiece bore the headline “She flirts with you, that’s what she does!” above an illustration of a young matron eyeing a passing Corvair. In other words, a women’s car! Sexist, clumsy, creepily inept advertising, even for Detroit, even in the sixties. Of course, it ran.
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I feel like an idiot because I had no idea that was her either and I just got done watching Freaks and Geeks for the first time! Now that I know that I want to watch all the scenes with her again. Looking at pictures though it is totally her, she hasn't aged in her eyes or her smile so you can really tell once you're clued in.
 
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