Vita PSN Game & Service Thread | May 2013 | Lovecraftian Wasteland

My 2 cents on what I'd like to see Sony do to improve the Vita as a whole. All my opinion and no doubt I'll post something completely inaccurate but here goes.

Games

Gran Turismo is a must and is Sony's best earner. The PSP version whilst good wasn't great and lacked any meaningful single player. Create a lite version of GT6 or atleast a new GT that shares functions with the soon to be released GT6 (Shared money, cars, B-Spec etc.).

Killzone's already on its way and looks great. Whilst it's not quite as popular as Microsoft top shooter and CoD it'll still manage to shift a few consoles and lets not forget that it looks to be the best mobile FPS ever so...

Fifa. How about bringing some of the newer changes of the console versions (I don't expect everything given the difference in performance). At least enough parity to make Transferrable saves (cloud saving via PS Plus?) between the Vita and PS3 version. Heck bundle both copies together for an extra tenner on top of the PS3 retail price and I'll get both.

GTA!! I see no other reason for Rockstar not to develop another mobile GTA in the same vain as Liberty City stories and Vice City Stories... Other than the VITA's lackluster worldwide sales. GTA is a system seller and an exclusive title would do wonders for the system. Selling it to Rockstar is the hard part but make reassurances, help fund the project etc. Start making more effort to get 3rd party devs onboard (see below).

As other have also said after Gran Turismo and Uncharted, God Of War is Sony's next big hit. A new game in the vein of the previous PSP versions would be ideal. The multiplayer that Ascension has although a big ask would be perfect for the Vita.

Other sports games such as NBA and NHL etc to satisfy the american crowd, again with cross platform saving so you can continue your season etc. on the go.

More Indie games. I know theres a massive influx at the moment but another couple of older titles such as FTL (Almost perfect fro touch screen gaming) and perhaps a timely release of starbound just to keep the momentum going.

Also where are my RPG's and strategy games? I know FFX/X-2 are coming but it's not enough. A few RPG's that don't look like upressed PSP ports please. Also a couple of strategy games akin to FF Tactics, Jeanne D'Arc and Fire Emblem.

The giant elephant in room is of course Monster Hunter and I have no doubt that Sony is trying it's hardest to get something going. Above are a few games that will help the cause in EU and US territories but things also have to improve in Sonys Homeland and MH will do just that.
Don't give me the same barely upgraded MH that the 3DS is getting. Give me some major improvements. New game engine perhaps? Improved graphics (Sharper, cleaner, improved Geometry, polygon count the lot), Slightly quicker combat, seamless loading between areas, more Monster variation etc... More, more, more! Oh and infrastructure support from the get go. Sony dropped the ball on the importance of MH but will need to do something to gain back support from Japan.


Hardware/OS


I have many issues with the OS and the majority of them stem from the fact that I have mobile phones that are 2 - 3 years old that perform tasks more elegantly.

Friends, Messaging, Party chat and Near (possibly)... Firstly why are these all individual apps? We live in a time where social interaction is at an all time high thanks in main to the internet and the relative ease in which we can communicate through various social sites and applications/software, so why is it so damn disjointed? Better yet rather than one all singing and dancing app how about it actually being integrated into the OS?
How about instead of swiping up and down to go through various pages filled with bubbles we swipe to the right to find our friends list? From here we can select either individual users or multiple users and send invites to party chat or send messages etc. Check each others games cards ad activities and Send and receive gifts via Near. How about we highlight a user and are greeted with icons asking us how we like to communicate? If we'd like to send and tweekt for exaple or post a message to there facebook wall. So much needs to be done to make cocialising on the Vita less of a chore. I don't want to wait for individual apps to open every time I want to send/receive a message I just want to hit the PS button during a game and slide accross to my social section to see messages and reply etc. (Sorry for repeating myself I little it's just so frustrating).

How about adding a little more functionality to the lock screen? Make it scrollable and add many more notifications such as messages and email etc readble to some extent. Post game notification or replys to when certain highscores have been beaten. Do more!

Also I'm not a massive fan of the bubbles, but atleast add some AA. And while you're at it get rid of the 10 app per page limit reduce the size of the bubbles and make it 12 apps per page (3 rows of 4). Oh and don't forget to increase the 100 app limit.

From a hardware perspective I keep hearing how powerful the system is yet I'm very dissapointed in the amount of sub-native res games. Not too mention the lack of any kind of decent amount of anisotropic filtering. Were given this great OLED screen that spends the majority of it's time displaying under par blurry visuals. Perhaps this is down to budget and time constraints since developing games on the Vita will not doubt be considered a risk. In any case Sony need to do something too make sure more games are htting native res at least.

The system (or rather a revision now) needs Flash memory of some kind. not a lot but just a little something fora few games, game saves and also to act as a buffer for streaming apps such as youtube (Can't watch HD videos or lengthy videos if your memory card is low on space). Again the caching of websites in the browser is a little of (most likely tied to memory card space) and I have many issues whilst trying to brose whilst ingame or rather in when I've left my game in a suspended state.

Since I mentioned save games a quick note so that we can better manage them without having to back them via content manager would be nice.

The triggers/shoulder buttons are a little too squidgy and could do with a little with an improvement (Not a mjor concern just thought I'd chuck it in here since I'm ranting a little).

The price of the memory cards is daylight robbery and they need reduced. I'm still yet to see a valid and proven reason for proprietary memory cards other than Sony trying to make a few extra bucks. If it's for security reasons which has been speculated on before then I call horse as the 3DS uses microSD and I've yet too see anyone using them as a backdoor to hack it.


Sony in general


Marketing, or rather lackoff. The majority of folk I know that own a PS3 don't even know the thing exists andhow should they? Other than a piss poor ad that had folk floating around (In the UK anyhoo) where are the TV adverts? Where are the outdoor ads on Bus Stops billboards etc.?

Sony's advertsing especially for games is poor and has been for years. It's the one are where Micorsoft and Apple have got everything nailed down.
This isn't just aimed at the Vita but also the PS3. I hope more is done to market the PS4 and 1st party games but I'm forever doubtful. More needs to be done especially if they want to increase product awareness and improve sales.

Relationships ith 3rd party devs in terms of the Vita need to improve. I know it hard to sell an underperforming handheld right now but If they don't then why bother? It'll be as good as dead in a years time. It may be a catch 22 situation but Sony need to more to create some buzz for the Vita. Help with funding and development isn't ideal but it will be required to bring system sellers to the VITA especially to gain sales momentum if at all possible. Whilst CoD was a rush job imagine how good it could have been if more time and effort went into it.

How about reaching it out too more IOS developers also? The hardware isn't all that different from most Apple products on the Market. How about better pricing for games that are also available on the AppStore/Play Store? Why is the Vita version of Plants Vs. Zombies more than double the price of its smart phone variant? I know they are making strides with Inide devs but there is still more that can be done.

The PS Store has been revamped on the PS3 (painfully slow though) and now has a web based store is there an update coming to the Vita store, as it's in desperate need of an update?

I'm still unsure on PS Mobile as a platform and whether or not resources could be better spent elswhere. That's not to say there aren't some great games on it but how about removing some of the limitations and allowing devs to publish these titles in the store as normal? Perhaps allow for more network functionality (leaderboards, online multiplayer, Async. etc.) and perhaps a limit of around 3 or 5 trophies etc. as a better incentive to buy them. Allow this functionality to be allowed via playing from your smartphone also. Lastly for it to be a viable platform it needs more exposure outside of the PS Blog. An increase in phone compatibility is also required. Only having it available on Sony smartphones and selected HTC smartphones is useless.


Anyhow I'm gonna stop for now as I feel like I'm ranting a bit now and although I could still say a lot more I've lost any semblance of structure in my post. In saying that though do note that I have a lot of positive things to say about the Vita I just haven't got the time to detail them. As an example there are some amazing games on the system (I have around 20 or so ad I'm still looking to pick up a few more), and services such as PS+ only help to improve the experience for current owners. The waiving of the PS Mobile fee, again whilst I'm still not sure on the service os great for everyone regardless on your thoughts. The device itself is well crafted, stylish and just plain gorgeous to look at. The hardware is impressive for the most part and I'm looking forward to the remote play capabilities in connection with the PS4 upon its release.


So like anything whilst it's easy to pick apart problems and issues bear in mind that in this day and age we're spoilt with the capabilities of smartphones and smart thinking app developers etc. that make many of our daily tasks that little bit easier and more vonvenient. Allthough this makes it easier to point out it's shortcomings it isn't a phone at the end of the day and it does have many positives, mainly the fact that (again IMO) the hardware gives it the potential to be the best handheld gaming device there has ever been.
A few improvements here and there to help sell the sytem to others and to improve the experience of current owners is no doubt on the cards. yet with the games I've bought so far I think I've justified my purchase and that's all that matters at the end of the day.

p.s. Apologies for the wall of text, spelling, grammar and the structure of my post, it's a bit late here on this side of the world. :)
 
I remember Shahid teasing a 'P' game a while ago. We threw around some ideas but I don't think anything we came up with would make people say 'WTF!?' etc., so maybe it's a new game and not a port?

EDIT: Btw, UK/Euro VitaGAF, Zavvi are taking pre-orders for Tearaway for just £20.

Well, dunno about 'WTF!?', but looking at my Steam list, could be one of these:

Pixeljunk whatever
pid
Pineapple Smash Crew
Penumbra
Psychonauts (with how well Oddworld is doing on the Vita, and DF working on other versions already it's not out of the question)
Prison Architect (very doubtful)
 
Is there a reason for Namco not bringing OnePiece:PW2 on the Vita in EU/US?
Isn't it basically free money since the localisation work is already done?
Producing carts costmoney if they don't feel they can sell them. Of course, they can just put it on psn, but Japanese developers have not throughly embraced digital distribution.
 
Shahid Kamal Ahmad on Twitter:
I asked about E3 show, hoping Sony won't forget about Vita, and told me this: "I’m sure you will enjoy the show, nobody has forgotten about Vita, trust me".

Then he said: "Oh and there is an AMAZING big title coming to Vita. I can’t tell you anything about it, except that you are gonna be hooked for hours".

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Well, dunno about 'WTF!?', but looking at my Steam list, could be one of these:

Pixeljunk whatever
pid
Pineapple Smash Crew
Penumbra
Psychonauts (with how well Oddworld is doing on the Vita, and DF working on other versions already it's not out of the question)
Prison Architect (very doubtful)

Persona :P

You know people gonna WTF that shit up :P
 
Is there a reason for Namco not bringing OnePiece:PW2 on the Vita in EU/US?
Isn't it basically free money since the localisation work is already done?

Any new about One Piece Vita release date for Europe?.
I know from good source (one who took part in translation) the game has been localizated in Multi-5 main european languages for both versions PS3Vita, but no idea if it will be released.
:/

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Vitamuffins, I'm working on a project for my masters degree. I basically have a market research class, and I'm using the Vita as my case study. For you guys, what are the product attributes that lead to your purchasing decision? For instance, for a car you might list "leather interior", "bluetooth compatibility", "sun roof", etc. I don't need 100 responses, but 4-5 would really help me out. Full disclosure, I'm on a deadline. 60 hour work weeks, a wife that works nights, along with a 10-month old daughter, means I'm running on fumes.

Cheers,

RedNo5
 
Vitamuffins, I'm working on a project for my masters degree. I basically have a market research class, and I'm using the Vita as my case study. For you guys, what are the product attributes that lead to your purchasing decision? For instance, for a car you might list "leather interior", "bluetooth compatibility", "sun roof", etc. I don't need 100 responses, but 4-5 would really help me out. Full disclosure, I'm on a deadline. 60 hour work weeks, a wife that works nights, along with a 10-month old daughter, means I'm running on fumes.

Cheers,

RedNo5

Gaming on the Go
Form Factor
Trust in Brand Quality
Library of Games (Never had a PSP and didnt get to fully enjoy PS1)
Already brand associated (PS3 owner)
Added PS+ Value

I think thats pretty much it
 
Vitamuffins, I'm working on a project for my masters degree. I basically have a market research class, and I'm using the Vita as my case study. For you guys, what are the product attributes that lead to your purchasing decision? For instance, for a car you might list "leather interior", "bluetooth compatibility", "sun roof", etc. I don't need 100 responses, but 4-5 would really help me out. Full disclosure, I'm on a deadline. 60 hour work weeks, a wife that works nights, along with a 10-month old daughter, means I'm running on fumes.

Cheers,

RedNo5

You just talking hardware? Dual analog sticks is the big one for me
 
Vitamuffins, I'm working on a project for my masters degree. I basically have a market research class, and I'm using the Vita as my case study. For you guys, what are the product attributes that lead to your purchasing decision? For instance, for a car you might list "leather interior", "bluetooth compatibility", "sun roof", etc. I don't need 100 responses, but 4-5 would really help me out. Full disclosure, I'm on a deadline. 60 hour work weeks, a wife that works nights, along with a 10-month old daughter, means I'm running on fumes.

Cheers,

RedNo5

Because I was dumb enough to believe the rumors of Borderlands 2 were coming to the Vita. I mean, huge selling game, the developer begging for Sony to fund a port, it just seemed like something so obvious that even Sony would do it. But hey, Men's Room Mayhem is almost as good and much cheaper, right? (That's sarcasm BTW)

And it was on a clearance sale at Target. Still $194 (with 8 gig card), but a lot more appealing than $250. I am a sucker for sales.

Perhaps you should do a project on buyer's remorse?
 
Nah, what's exciting about new Persona is the new world and characters we get to experience, though if they give into yankee pressure and make it "Ooooh, adults grimdark look how mature I am yeah 90's seinen fuck moe lol right guys" then I'm jumping out and buying five copies of Mind=0.

And I bought my Vita because of its great aesthetics, dual-sticks, and playstation ecosystem as dumb as that sounds, but hey now I'm prepped for PS4, and yes console-gaming on the go because ya know I've been really satisfied with the library and am STILL looking forward to what's coming out, it may not be console to some people, but I see a lot of games that I bought on consoles before that I'm buying for my Vita even if they aint AAA now.

^Why don't we just shame everyone who bought Vitas, obviously they have the worst economic sense in the world.

And Aliens: Colonial Marines
 
Vitamuffins, I'm working on a project for my masters degree. I basically have a market research class, and I'm using the Vita as my case study. For you guys, what are the product attributes that lead to your purchasing decision? For instance, for a car you might list "leather interior", "bluetooth compatibility", "sun roof", etc. I don't need 100 responses, but 4-5 would really help me out. Full disclosure, I'm on a deadline. 60 hour work weeks, a wife that works nights, along with a 10-month old daughter, means I'm running on fumes.

Cheers,

RedNo5

Well, the biggest decision factor for me was the availability of Persona 4 Golden as an exclusive, so maybe that count towards "Games."

And "Nice Screen + Dual Stick" too, throw that one too while you're at it.

I don't really trust Sony's build quality, being that I have broken PS2 and Vita already in my collection (this Vita is my 2nd).

Btw, the one that compelled me to buy a 2nd Vita was FFXHD and Dragon's Crown.

So... "Games."
 
Vitamuffins, I'm working on a project for my masters degree. I basically have a market research class, and I'm using the Vita as my case study. For you guys, what are the product attributes that lead to your purchasing decision? For instance, for a car you might list "leather interior", "bluetooth compatibility", "sun roof", etc. I don't need 100 responses, but 4-5 would really help me out. Full disclosure, I'm on a deadline. 60 hour work weeks, a wife that works nights, along with a 10-month old daughter, means I'm running on fumes.

Cheers,

RedNo5

for me.. it was honestly the insane amazon discount on the bundle that got me to buy it.
so in a way, Price+Discounts is a large factor

other than that
portable gaming on the go
comfortable form factor
OLED screen
 
for me.. it was honestly the insane amazon discount on the bundle that got me to buy it.
so in a way, Price+Discounts is a large factor

other than that
portable gaming on the go
comfortable form factor
OLED screen

Thank you for the late response, I added it to my report. Again, I really appreciate the help here! You guys are awesome!
 
lol, if you want one more, the reason I bought it back in June last year was because I scored it for just $150, and I never had a PSP so figured there'd definitely be a lot of games to play, even if the current Vita library (at the time) didn't interest me much.

So... for me the deciding factor wasn't really the hardware or software, but I considered it a good investment.
 
I'm extremely platform neutral. I don't own any home consoles and I primarily game on PC. I wanted a handheld and didn't really care which one. The cons of the 3DS heavily influenced my decision.

3DS
- Region locked
- No account system
- Games retail for $70
- low PPI

Vita
+ Region Free
+ A functioning account system
+ PS Plus gives me plenty of games for a great price + cheap US games from PSN
+ OLED / great PPI
 
3DS games for 70 bucks? O_____O Where do you live Lexi? Australia?

Anyways, both handhelds are great in their own way. 3DS does stuff much better than Vita in some things, and Vita does stuff much better than 3DS in some things.

Ah, speaking of which, the latest firmware download for Vita....

*Scratches head*

So if I download something while the screen is on, then I left it behind, then it enters the sleep mode, the download is paused.

-However-

If I manually put the Vita into sleep mode by pushing power button a few bit, then the download is still downloaded in the background.

*Scratches head*
 
Yeah, Australia. My decision to get a vita was a well considered one based on financial viability, but I ended up loving it anyway.
 
So if I download something while the screen is on, then I left it behind, then it enters the sleep mode, the download is paused.

-However-

If I manually put the Vita into sleep mode by pushing power button a few bit, then the download is still downloaded in the background.

*Scratches head*

lol, seriously?
 
I know you don't need anymore responses, but a crazy sale at AT&T did it for me (I'm actually embarrassed to say how little I paid for it). That, and PS+. So, yeah, it was mostly economical and not a visceral desire to own one. Which is why Sony would greatly benefit from lowering the cost of entry (especially I memory cards). That's how you get the casual market. That's how you get the, "oh...I already own a PS3 and PS+ so why not?" crowd.
 
For me, I purchased both the Vita and 3DS XL in the same week a couple of months ago to travel with. I'm truly satisfied with both purchases but felt a little sad that Sony neglects the system more than Nintendo does with its future game lineup. I did transition from playing more portable games in bed nowadays than sitting in my living room to play with my consoles or PC at my desk. Maybe its just comfort levels even though I have a comfortable sofa, but when I'm in bed, I'm more in tune to the game with ear phones or browsing on my tablet that I can just zone out and fall a sleep after a long day at work.
 
3DS games for 70 bucks? O_____O Where do you live Lexi? Australia?

Anyways, both handhelds are great in their own way. 3DS does stuff much better than Vita in some things, and Vita does stuff much better than 3DS in some things.

Ah, speaking of which, the latest firmware download for Vita....

*Scratches head*

So if I download something while the screen is on, then I left it behind, then it enters the sleep mode, the download is paused.

-However-

If I manually put the Vita into sleep mode by pushing power button a few bit, then the download is still downloaded in the background.

*Scratches head*

iirc this was a recently introduced bug with one of the latest FWs
 
PSY・S;57299272 said:
Yeah, MGS1. I could remote play it but the image quality wasn't ideal, so I just played it on my PS3 instead of the Vita with dat OLED.

MGS1 is perfectly playable on the Vita. You might need to transfer it via the PS3 but I completed it on the handheld only a few months ago.

Concerning the "P game": any chance it might be "Papers, please"?
 
From a the media create thread, asking someone to help go through psp records

...so it seems like Sony kept 2.5-3M units sitting in their warehouses for most of those first 2-3 years of the PSP lifespan

:)

Maybe to wait for PS3 and push them when the PS2 is closer to done perhaps?

Their forecast also dipped when the PS3 came out. Now waiting to find out if it went back up, I'm guessing it did.
 
Yeah, Australia. My decision to get a vita was a well considered one based on financial viability, but I ended up loving it anyway.

Hahaha well Australia prices are crazy jacked up, I know :)

lol, seriously?

Yes, I don't get it. 2.12 is the latest system update, correct? I don't get my my Vita behaves this way *_____*

iirc this was a recently introduced bug with one of the latest FWs

I thought 2.12 is supposed to fix that bug >___>

Really weird stuff.
 
I'm an old Vitabro. Been here since the beginning. Got the First Edition Bundle and been extremely happy with it ever since. It's one of the best tech products I've ever bought (and, trust me, I've bought A LOT).

Because I was dumb enough to believe the rumors of Borderlands 2 were coming to the Vita. I mean, huge selling game, the developer begging for Sony to fund a port, it just seemed like something so obvious that even Sony would do it. But hey, Men's Room Mayhem is almost as good and much cheaper, right? (That's sarcasm BTW)

And it was on a clearance sale at Target. Still $194 (with 8 gig card), but a lot more appealing than $250. I am a sucker for sales.

Perhaps you should do a project on buyer's remorse?

That wouldn't be very useful since you'd only get two or three replies.
 
That wouldn't be very useful since you'd only get two or three replies.

Yeah there seem to be very few people who regret buying their Vita. As a guy who never really even liked handhelds, it's crazy how much I found myself liking it.

I had to force myself to stop playing Soul Sac so I could go back to playing other games on PC and PS3 that I've been meaning to get to.
 
- Games retail for $70
I'm amazed Nintendo handheld games still retail for so high here, we should have had a RRP drop to at least $60 as the standard by now. I end up buying a bunch of my Vita games locally now due to them being really cheap, even with the markups we have here.
Shahid Kamal Ahmad on Twitter:

I asked about E3 show, hoping Sony won't forget about Vita, and told me this: "I’m sure you will enjoy the show, nobody has forgotten about Vita, trust me".

Then he said: "Oh and there is an AMAZING big title coming to Vita. I can’t tell you anything about it, except that you are gonna be hooked for hours".
I look forward to seeing what it is.
 
I'm amazed Nintendo handheld games still retail for so high here, we should have had a RRP drop to at least $60 as the standard by now. I end up buying a bunch of my Vita games locally now due to them being really cheap, even with the markup we have here.

I saw P4G at EB selling for $44. I think that's reasonable enough, certainly worlds away from $70.
 
ridiculous fishing has me hooked

Wait, the moe fishing game? I've been holding out hope that it's at least decent.. I really wanted a fishing game on Vita. I think eventually I'm just going to cave and buy it.

Also, that Shahid guy is AWESOME, I tweet at him all the time. I really believe in what he's doing - I really hope this next game he's hyping is something viably big though, like Minecraft or Monster Hunter.. or Gran Turismo?
 
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