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[TheKayle]

Because they made a mistake in part of it, it is standard GCN and that is obvious to anyone, thats why, it is not 3072ops/clock and we have been over this multiple times on the forum.

Also you got it waaaaaya wrong.

The L2 is 512kbit (shared between all the CU's) the L1 is 16kbit per CU.

As per this link.

http://www.vgleaks.com/durango-gpu-2/2/

As per the same link under 'compute' you'll see that each SIMD executes a array of 16 threads. A SIMD vector could be albeit bad terminology interpreted as a vector of SIMD units.

from vgleaks

"Each shader core has a local 64-way L1 cache of 16 KB, composed of 256 64-byte cache lines. "

what i get wrong

64 way 16kb 256 lines


"L2 Cache

The GPU contains four separate 8-way L2 caches of 128 KB, each composed of 2048 64-byte cache lines."

from gcn white paper

" L1 instruction cache that is 4-way associative and backed by the L2 cache. Cache lines are 64B long
and typically hold 8 instructions"

shared across 4 cu's

 

[dragonelite]

That's why PC GPU's cost more than these entire systems?

Either company could make the 'fanboy's wet dream' that everyone is gagging for... but people won't pay much more than $499 or £399 for that...

So, sure it's nice to wish for things, but the people on here talking up 'secret sauce' and all sorts of other wishful think BS are the self same people who will have toddler style tantrums when the price is high.

And actually if they can run 720p with shit hot internal rendering IQ with high quality AA, then games will look good - part of the reason current gen games look bad at 720p is muddy low res textures, sub-HD internal rendering, and poor IQ in general.

Look how great Wii games look once the IQ gets sorted by an emulator.

Most games will run 1080, but as we've seen on PS4, thats likely to be at 30fps.

I trust designers to make the choices that are right for their games.

All that detail will be FUBAR on a 1080p screen or 4k screen.
1080p or bust and im fucking serious not even a halo 2 remake can force me to buy a Durango.

 

[Ninja Moomin]

All that detail will be fucked up on a 1080p screen or 4k screen.
1080p or bust and im fucking serious not even a halo 2 remake can force me to buy a Durango.

SO.FUCKING.SERIOUS.MAN.

If you don't want one, don't buy one. Its really that easy.

 

[KidBeta]

from vgleaks

"Each shader core has a local 64-way L1 cache of 16 KB, composed of 256 64-byte cache lines. "

what i get wrong

64 way 16kb 256 lines

from gcn white paper

" L1 instruction cache that is 4-way associative and backed by the L2 cache. Cache lines are 64B long
and typically hold 8 instructions"

shared across 4 cu's

The only thing thats shared across 4 CU's in GCN is the L2 Cache. The L1 Cache is always 16KB and composed yes, of 256 64 bytes (because 256 * 64 bytes = 16KB) cache lines.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Didn't you know you triple your clock with 0 change in voltage or thermals, i thought every knew!

/s.

Well Durango is 100% efficient!!!1 So it can be passively cooled anyway since it wouldn't generate much heat!!11

 

[TheKayle]

The only thing thats shared across 4 CU's in GCN is the L2 Cache. The L1 Cache is always 16KB and composed yes, of 256 64 bytes (because 256 * 64 bytes = 16KB) cache lines.

white paper say that L1 is shared

"A cluster of up to 4 Compute Units share a single 32KB L1 instruction cache that is 4-way associative and backed by the L2 cache. Cache lines are 64B long
and typically hold 8 instructions. When the cache is full, a new request will evict the Least Recently Used (i.e. LRU replacement) cache line to make room for
new instructions. The shared L1 instruction cache has 4 banks, and can sustain 32B instruction fetch per cycle to all 4 Compute Units. Instruction fetching is
arbitrated between SIMDs within a CU based on age, scheduling priority and utilization of the wavefront instruction buffers. "

http://www.amd.com/la/Documents/GCN_Architecture_whitepaper.pdf

 

[KidBeta]

white paper say that L1 is shared

"A cluster of up to 4 Compute Units share a single 32KB L1 instruction cache that is 4-way associative and backed by the L2 cache. Cache lines are 64B long
and typically hold 8 instructions. When the cache is full, a new request will evict the Least Recently Used (i.e. LRU replacement) cache line to make room for
new instructions. The shared L1 instruction cache has 4 banks, and can sustain 32B instruction fetch per cycle to all 4 Compute Units. Instruction fetching is
arbitrated between SIMDs within a CU based on age, scheduling priority and utilization of the wavefront instruction buffers. "

http://www.amd.com/la/Documents/GCN_Architecture_whitepaper.pdf

The 4 way 32KB L1 instruction cache is DIFFERENT to the 16kbit cache mentioned in the vgleaks article. All GCN arch GPU's have all the caches that have been mentioned so far

 

[Ninja Moomin]

There is no where near enough hype in this thread....

In just over a week we are going to see the first new Xbox Console since 2005.

Sure that's the main thing?


GAF - there must be gifs for this occasion. Surely?

 

[twobear]

There is no where near enough hype in this thread....

In just over a week we are going to see the first new Xbox Console since 2005.

Sure that's the main thing?


GAF - there must be gifs for this occasion. Surely?

I've almost never seen a GIF outside of popgaf that I liked.

 

[saladine1]

All I want to know is whether we are getting PGR5 or Forza 5 at launch.

Leaks everywhere but nobody can leak this information?

Damn MS ninjas just too good.

 

[ekim]

GAF is exhausted after the PS Meeting thread and all those negative rumors recently.

 

[hodgy100]

nothing cutting edge about using a high end tablet cpu and low-mid range gpus.

They aren't low-mid range gpu's lol they are mid-high.

and they arent tablet cpu's but low power laptop cpu's

 

[Ninja Moomin]

I've almost never seen a GIF outside of popgaf that I liked.

Hype. You're doing it wrong.

 

[Bleedorang3]

Fuck that noise. I'm super hyped. I fully expect Microsoft to put on a great show. Their hardware reveals have been much better lately that they've been trying to emulate Apple (this is a good thing, no more Usher conference bullshit). The original Surface reveal was great, minus Sinofsky's less than stellar presentation style, and inability to gracefully handle demo-demons. Panos Panay on the other hand nailed that shit. If they bring him out I'll scream like a little girl.

 

[CrunchinJelly]

All I want to know is whether we are getting PGR5 or Forza 5 at launch.

Leaks everywhere but nobody can leak this information?

Damn MS ninjas just too good.

I'm sure there will be a racing game at launch.

Need for Speed.

 

[SlickShoesRUCrazy]

They aren't low-mid range gpu's lol they are mid-high.

and they arent tablet cpu's but low power laptop cpu's

Not even close to high. And by low-mid I meant low in the mid tier gpus.

And jaguar cores are tablet cpus.

http://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/42645-amd-reveal-low-power-jaguar-x86-core-aimed-tablets/

 

[dragonelite]

Fuck that noise. I'm super hyped. I fully expect Microsoft to put on a great show. Their hardware reveals have been much better lately that they've been trying to emulate Apple (this is a good thing, no more Usher conference bullshit). The original Surface reveal was great, minus Sinofsky's less than stellar presentation style, and inability to gracefully handle demo-demons. Panos Panay on the other hand nailed that shit. If they bring him out I'll scream like a little girl.

#TeamPanos ftw!!!!111!!!!1

 

[twobear]

Hype. You're doing it wrong.

I'm not hyped by GIFs of movie clips with company executives photoshopped faces 'totally pwning' the executives of another company though.

I am hyped when I think I'm going to see something amazing, and I don't get that feeling from MS. I think it'll be along the lines of Sony; competent but not earth shaking.

 

[Ninja Moomin]

I'm not hyped by GIFs of movie clips with company executives photoshopped faces 'totally pwning' the executives of another company though.

I am hyped when I think I'm going to see something amazing, and I don't get that feeling from MS. I think it'll be along the lines of Sony; competent but not earth shaking.

The rumours have killed it a bit...


But I guess we should all remember that looking back over the majority of this gen, no one expected Sony to be in such good shape for the PS4 reveal, or have been so thoughtful about what needed to change about everything from the controller to the playstation network.

There's no reason to assume MS can't jump just as far in different ways.

I will remain hyped unless proven otherwise... purely because I will have to buy one for Halo, so I might as well hope it's going to be good.

 

[specialguy]

hey, this thread is getting reliably bumped and it's still 11 days away. i dont think that's bad.

the pressure will only increase day by day...

 

[Shaneus]

There is no where near enough hype in this thread....

In just over a week we are going to see the first new Xbox Console since 2005.

Sure that's the main thing?


GAF - there must be gifs for this occasion. Surely?

I got this, guys:

 

[Ninja Moomin]

I got this, guys:

Lol... well played sir

 

[dragonelite]

The rumours have killed it a bit...


But I guess we should all remember that looking back over the majority of this gen, no one expected Sony to be in such good shape for the PS4 reveal, or have been so thoughtful about what needed to change about everything from the controller to the playstation network.

There's no reason to assume MS can't jump just as far in different ways.

I will remain hyped unless proven otherwise... purely because I will have to buy one for Halo, so I might as well hope it's going to be good.

My inner halo fanboy will probably kill me and take over my body if i dont get one even if it is 720p. If it is 720p im wondering why did i even get contact lenses games looked way better without them atleast i can then blame the blurry mess on my eyes

 

[Rösti]

Nobody has claimed the OT for the Xbox Reveal, so if you are interested in that the opportunity is still up.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=450653

 

[AOC83]

The rumours have killed it a bit...

What killed it was the 4 year first party nightmare on the 360.

 

[saladine1]

I got this, guys:

Now that's what i'm talking about!

 

[Ninja Moomin]

What killed it was the 4 year first party nightmare on the 360.

If Sony can change things then why not assume MS can also?

 

[AOC83]

If Sony can change things then why not assume MS can also?

The question is not if they can change thigs but if they want to. Sony has made lots of mistakes in the past but they have never abandoned gamers like Microsoft.

 

[EagleEyes]

What killed it was the 4 year first party nightmare on the 360.

Don't know what you are talking about, i've played some great first party titles over the past 4 years on my Xbox 360.

 

[Somnia]

Honestly I'm ok without the major hype. Too many people get over hyped these days and walk away majorly disappointed (the last few E3's for example).

No matter what happens at this conference though, it will get way more hate than the PS4 conference because of Kinect, but I think most of us in here know that's the case based off all the threads so far with 720 rumors.

 

[GarthVaderUK]

God I love PGR.

 

[abadguy]

The question is not if they can change thigs but if they want to. Sony has made lots of mistakes in the past but they have never abandoned gamers like Microsoft.

When did this happen exactly, clearly i was absent on that day.

 

[AOC83]

When did this happen exactly, clearly i was absent on that day.

I´d say about 2009, where they stopped releasing anything except rehashes of the same 3 Franchises and Kinect.

 

[Izick]

When did this happen exactly, clearly i was absent on that day.

It was actually two Thursdays ago. There was a whole newsletter and everything!

 

[EagleEyes]

The question is not if they can change thigs but if they want to. Sony has made lots of mistakes in the past but they have never abandoned gamers like Microsoft.

Fez, Trial Evolution, Mark of the Ninja, Forza Horizon and Halo 4 were some of the highest rated games of last year. The only title all year for Sony that could match those kinds of reviews was Journey.

 

[Satchel]

The question is not if they can change thigs but if they want to. Sony has made lots of mistakes in the past but they have never abandoned gamers like Microsoft.

seriously just leave the thread if you're going to spout horse shit like this.

 

[specialguy]

I´d say about 2009, where they stopped releasing anything except rehashes of the same 3 Franchises and Kinect.

Yeah, as opposed to Sony who has released so many non-rehashed huge first party titles in the last 9 months. Such as...

Sony delivered a big bag of nothing in holiday 2012 and people totally ignore that...while ms had halo 4 and forza horizon, sony had a smash bros clone that sold 14 copies.

 

[CrunchinJelly]

I got this, guys:

PGRX would be amazing...

 

[Izick]

I´d say about 2009, where they stopped releasing anything except rehashes of the same 3 Franchises and Kinect.

What horseshit.

I really don't want to go back and get the list of MS exclusives. I know I probably made one within the last 10 pages but I don't have the energy to go back through the entire thread and look for it again.

 

[AOC83]

Fez, Trial Evolution, Mark of the Ninja, Forza Horizon and Halo 4 were some of the highest rated games of last year. The only title all year for Sony that could match those kinds of reviews was Journey.

Which of these were made by MS first party or at least exclusive? Yeah that´s what i thought.

 

[Ninja Moomin]

I´d say about 2009, where they stopped releasing anything except rehashes of the same 3 Franchises and Kinect.

I bet they are gutted.

In that time they only...

had the top selling console in the states for nearly 2 years straight
had the top selling game in the halo franchises
had third party games on 360 outsell games like Uncharted by a massive margin

MS's core franchises are Fable, Forza, Halo and Gears... I can sure live with that.

 

[MaulerX]

The question is not if they can change thigs but if they want to. Sony has made lots of mistakes in the past but they have never abandoned gamers like Microsoft.

Give me a break. Come on now.

 

[Bleedorang3]

You guys are getting baited so hard by this guy. Just ignore him.

 

[Feindflug]

I´d say about 2009, where they stopped releasing anything except rehashes of the same 3 Franchises and Kinect.

2009? 2010 might be 360's best year to date and 2012 was also a very good year for the system.

Do you actually have a 360? because it sure sounds like you have no idea about the system's library and what were the best years of the console games-wise.

 

[Officerrob]

Which of these were made by MS first party or at least exclusive? Yeah that´s what i thought.

Those were all console exclusive (as well as Minecraft), what does it matter if they were first party or not?

 

[Izick]

Also, I liked those non-rehashes of Killzone and infamous at the debut event. Really groundbreaking stuff.

 

[AOC83]

Those were all console exclusive (as well as Minecraft), what does it matter if they were first party or not?

They are either exclusive or they are not. "Console exclusive" is bullshit and paying developers to not release their game on PS3 adds nothing to the gaming landscape.

 

[Satchel]

I'm on my phone. Can someone pm a mod about this guy? Ridiculous that trolling like this is allowed.

 

[KidBeta]

If Sony can change things then why not assume MS can also?

All Sony did was drop in memory IC's that where double the density, durango/MS can do the same thing if they want but I don't know how much benefit it will bring.

 

[Izick]

They are either exclusive or they are not. "Console exclusive" is bullshit and paying developers to not release their game on PS3 adds nothing to the gaming landscape.

Because it doesn't fit your half-ass, roundabout argument. An exclusive is an exclusive. It's additional incentive for people to purchase a console.