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Saw it last night. I enjoyed it overall, but not by that much. I think I'm an old man now, because I got kind of exhausted by all the action, shouting, character drama etc and felt like it needed more time to stop, breathe and take in the sights for a bit. There were several times when I thought it was odd because situations would come up, only to be suddenly resolved moments later, i.e.
Uhura-Spock character drama, Kirk losing command of the ship for like five minutes
. There were also a bunch of things that were just so incredibly obviously being set up for use later in the movie, like
Khan's blood, Scotty's extremely bizarre resignation that Kirk was totally OK with
.
 
Figures. His first Star Trek movie shitted up the franchise & this looks to be no different.

Perhaps the next entry and subsequent ones will take a different tone/approach under a different director. One focused a little bit less on blockbuster action and a little bit more on deeper philosophy of science-fiction.





Nah, won't happen. These new ST movies make too much dough.
 
JJ was on The Daily Show tonight. It's funny that he mentions in most of his interviews that he didn't like ST growing up and the conversation shifts to why he enjoyed SW. Then he talks about making a ST movie that is more appealing to wider audiences. Then the discussion focuses on SW, LOL.

ST fans must be steaming out of their ears.

Nah, I think it's great. Today one of my non-trekkie co-workers asked me "what does that number on the Enterprise mean?" It's nice to finally put all that useless knowledge to use.
 
I saw it last night. It's a really entertaining blockbuster and features some of Abrams' most well-crafted setpieces. His knack for exciting camera movement and editing is pretty remarkable. I'd say it's a step down from the first film as some of the sequences felt a bit repetitive and Cumberbatch can be one-note, especially as the film progress. Still, it's a gorgeously crafted movie and Abrams is one of the few directors that can completely sell a sci-fi world -- the production design is really incredible. For those fearful that it doesn't retain its comedic sensibilities, fear not. The charm of the characters are still there. I can't believe this summer has been 3 for 3 thus far. I'd give IM3, Gatsby and this film all a B.
 
Oh, yeah. I saw it in IMAX 3D. It was solid. I forgot there was about 30 minutes actually filmed in IMAX. the constant aspect ratio changes are a bit jarring but the IMAX stuff is beautiful.
 
Personally, I think he improved them. Gave them much needed modernisation, that thankfully also has wider appeal and makes more money too.

Completely agree. Look what happened to Nemesis, it had a bit more action and the movie just bombed horribly. No one cared anymore. You cannot sell old Star Trek to a modern movie audiences. Maybe not even TV because look at Enterprise. Its just too slow, too cerebral. I love TNG (I marathoned it last summer and grew up watching it with my dad), but that doesn't make $250+ million domestic or pull in 300-400 at least internationally like this one should do.

I love what JJ did because its fun, exciting, and a wide audience actually gives a shit about Star Trek. Who thought that was possible again 10 years ago? Star Trek was dead and it would have stayed that way unless dramatically changed.

Just one more day, can't wait! TrueIMAX 3D, I can't wait to see the IMAX footage. It made TDK and TDKR into such larger than life event films.
 
Perhaps the next entry and subsequent ones will take a different tone/approach under a different director. One focused a little bit less on blockbuster action and a little bit more on deeper philosophy of science-fiction.





Nah, won't happen. These new ST movies make too much dough.
It's cool that he gets to make Star Wars films for real now instead of using the Trek franchise to make them. Hopefully his hack buddies Orci and Kurtzman disappear as well. It's a bummer that these new movies don't have much of an interest in any philosophical components of Star Trek, hopefully this somewhat renewed interest in the property leads to a new show at some point. A boy can dream (-_-)
 
Completely agree. Look what happened to Nemesis, it had a bit more action and the movie just bombed horribly. No one cared anymore. You cannot sell old Star Trek to a modern movie audiences. Maybe not even TV because look at Enterprise. Its just too slow, too cerebral. I love TNG (I marathoned it last summer and grew up watching it with my dad), but that doesn't make $250+ million domestic or pull in 300-400 at least internationally like this one should do.

I love what JJ did because its fun, exciting, and a wide audience actually gives a shit about Star Trek. Who thought that was possible again 10 years ago? Star Trek was dead and it would have stayed that way unless dramatically changed.

Just one more day, can't wait! TrueIMAX 3D, I can't wait to see the IMAX footage. It made TDK and TDKR into such larger than life event films.

I don't mind the extra action focus, I hate the stupidity of the stories and script.
 
I don't mind the extra action focus, I hate the stupidity of the stories and script.

I'd argue that in many ways they're just as stupid if not less so than anything that has gone before it. I also find the script stronger. There's a better balance between humour, emotion and witt. The previous films just felt dull in comparison.

There's a reason these new films are doing so well at the box office and at a critical level (both films 90% or more on RT). They're just far better made whilst being more entertaining to boot.
 
Completely agree. Look what happened to Nemesis, it had a bit more action and the movie just bombed horribly. No one cared anymore. You cannot sell old Star Trek to a modern movie audiences. Maybe not even TV because look at Enterprise. Its just too slow, too cerebral. I love TNG (I marathoned it last summer and grew up watching it with my dad), but that doesn't make $250+ million domestic or pull in 300-400 at least internationally like this one should do.

Because it wasn't a good movie and it was released next to The Two Towers.
 
I saw it last night. It's a really entertaining blockbuster and features some of Abrams' most well-crafted setpieces. His knack for exciting camera movement and editing is pretty remarkable. I'd say it's a step down from the first film as some of the sequences felt a bit repetitive and Cumberbatch can be one-note, especially as the film progress. Still, it's a gorgeously crafted movie and Abrams is one of the few directors that can completely sell a sci-fi world -- the production design is really incredible. For those fearful that it doesn't retain its comedic sensibilities, fear not. The charm of the characters are still there. I can't believe this summer has been 3 for 3 thus far. I'd give IM3, Gatsby and this film all a B.

*Shakes head*

Aren't you a film critic?









I keed. I keed................., sort of. :P
 
It was entertaining but now I feel that the franchise has fallen into a rut. It was basically the exact same film as the first one.

(Why did they need Khan Blood? Wouldn't any of the super people do? They had tons of them just lying there.)Thanks to that there is no, nor will there ever be any peril. Well done, Lindelof. Prancing in and fucking up everything he touches. Douche.
 
*Shakes head*

Aren't you a film critic?









I keed. I keed................., sort of. :P

Ha! I'm shocked myself. Usually summer movie season is when I 95% of the studio output bores me to tears. I've been pleasantly surprised by everything thus far though.
 
I'd argue that in many ways they're just as stupid if not less so than anything that has gone before it. I also find the script stronger. There's a better balance between humour, emotion and witt. The previous films just felt dull in comparison.

There's a reason these new films are doing so well at the box office and at a critical level (both films 90% or more on RT). They're just far better made whilst being more entertaining to boot.

Star Trek as a concept, I'm talking about old school ST, just lends itself to television far better than to movies. We'll never see "cerebral" Trek again on the big screen, and I think I'm okay with that.

I do hope that someday a new ST series starts up, something more faithful to Gene's vision than to JJ's, because as a serial show Star Trek has infinite possibilities. And when executed with some forethought and skill, it can be damned awesome. (ie: compare Enterprise S4 to S1-S3 that came before it...)
 
It's cool that he gets to make Star Wars films for real now instead of using the Trek franchise to make them. Hopefully his hack buddies Orci and Kurtzman disappear as well. It's a bummer that these new movies don't have much of an interest in any philosophical components of Star Trek, hopefully this somewhat renewed interest in the property leads to a new show at some point. A boy can dream (-_-)

the philosophical aspect ended with First Contact, which kicked off the action heavy trend and crew vs big bad (in that case, the Borg Queen). We have to accept the fact that in today's market there's no way a movie without those simple elements would make money, and personally I found the first ST a delight and this one even better

I'm all for a new show anyways, but I don't think they know how to make a good ST anymore, since Enterprise was godawful
 
I enjoyed the movie, much better than Iron Man 3. I did find myself wishing the film would slow down a bit and let me take in the set pieces and atmosphere. Too much drama for the sake of drama plus action out of nowhere. Also some of the scenes seemed to be there just for the convenience of moving the story forward later,
Khan's blood.
 
I wonder what will happen with Trek now that Abrams is in the land of the Force now.
The schedule that they plan to be pushing out the Star Wars movies will keep things tied down, so I hope Paramount looks for new hands for Star Trek (though that is always a terrifying though considering how they do not seem to be giving a much of a shit internally about the core Trek fan base and it seems that Abrams and co are what has helped keep Trek in Trek.)
 
the philosophical aspect ended with First Contact, which kicked off the action heavy trend and crew vs big bad (in that case, the Borg Queen). We have to accept the fact that in today's market there's no way a movie without those simple elements would make money, and personally I found the first ST a delight and this one even better

I'm all for a new show anyways, but I don't think they know how to make a good ST anymore, since Enterprise was godawful

I'd argue it was after First Contact. The great thing about First Contact is that it gets both to the heart of the idea of what Star Trek is about and the limits of that idea. The film's secondary plot revolves around Zefram Cochrane, who didn't design the warp engine to usher in a new age of humanity, he did it for money (and women!). He even got sick of the hero worship and tried to run away from it all. But during the launch of the Phoenix and meeting the Vulcans, and seeing how important his discovery is for humanity, Cochrane evolves and becomes the person everyone saw him as. Humanity's evolution as a race personified.

On the other side of things you have Picard. The movie's first point of contention is that Starfleet is sure about the E's crew, but not her captain. Starfleet thinks that if Picard comes into direct confrontation with, it'll create an "unstable element." ...And it does! Picard comments to Lily how that, in the twenty-fourth century, humanity has evolved to a higher point; a point at which money is unnecessary, Earth is a paradise, etc. But as the movie progresses Picard becomes increasingly unhinged, seeking to hurt the Borg more than doing what's right for the situation. In the end, it takes the twenty-first century, lesser-evolved human to talk some sense into Picard. He is, at his worst, no better than the humans from which he's claimed to have evolved. This also asks, though weakly, if humanity can ever really evolve, and it's really only better circumstances that allow us to be more generous.

And the fourth season of Enterprise was pretty good.
 
I don't think the heart of trek is "we'll always be assholes". :/

I didn't say that, and neither does FC. Cochrane becomes a better person by the end of the movie, a character development that personifies the central idea of Star Trek: People are better than they are, and can be, and that things will be better in the future. Picard, in his confrontation with the Borg, however, says there is a limit to that ideal. Otherwise you get to a point of perfection where people are no longer people.
 
First Contact was great. It was the movies afterward that signaled the slow drain.

I'm looking forward to hating this Kirk, and rooting against him. And also updated sexy Klingon women reboots. And cosplay. Engage.
 
Saw this yesterday and fucking loved it. No surprise Trekkies are crying about it, but what did they expect after the first film.

Watched ST09 again to prepare for STiD. It's fun to look at, and some of the jokes work really well, and I really like Scotty's little...friend...thing...but the movie is irrevocably dumb when it comes to the plot. The moment you provide any ounce of thought, it falls apart, and the movie seems to contradict itself every few scenes. My favorite during this watch is Prime Spock saying "Under no circumstances must be made aware of my existence," then he meets his younger self at the end of the film.


This just goes to show some people will look for any excuses to hate on these films. If you actually paid attention when they meet each other you would know your criticism is just wrong. Embarrassing.
 
Source? Or is this something you've come the conclusion of after seeing various evidence?

It is stated in the films and series a few times, along with booklets and other stuff from writers.

The end of Enterprise is when the Federation is founded, which is because of Starfleet and their allies, one of the writers also stated that while not in the show as it had ended, Starfleet changed and incorporated it's allies militaries into a bigger entity. The separate organisations we had seen previously MACOs, Andorians and Vulcan military and science arms etc. along with other races all became part of this big organisation dictated by the Federation which is what Starfleet is now.

So while this alternate universe in these new films obviously ignores things that happened in the TOS and later shows/films, it still continues after Enterprise where most of this stuff is established.
 
I'd argue that in many ways they're just as stupid if not less so than anything that has gone before it. I also find the script stronger. There's a better balance between humour, emotion and witt. The previous films just felt dull in comparison.

There's a reason these new films are doing so well at the box office and at a critical level (both films 90% or more on RT). They're just far better made whilst being more entertaining to boot.

I'd argue that just because early films were also stupid doesnn't give the current one a free pass. The production quality is great, sure. The plot and script are asinine. I'm not sure I will accept RT or ticket sales as indicators of anything except number and quality of explosions.

People are easily distracted and are happy with shallow pretty films that make no sense. That's fine. Don't tell me that makes them a good film though.

Again, the action is fine, all for action. It needs to be surrounded by a plot that makes any sense at all though.
 
Gonna watch the '09 film tonight with friends in preparation of seeing Into Darkness later this week. Blu-ray on a large TV, should be sweet. I haven't seen the movie in a couple years.
 
I'd argue it was after First Contact. The great thing about First Contact is that it gets both to the heart of the idea of what Star Trek is about and the limits of that idea. The film's secondary plot revolves around Zefram Cochrane, who didn't design the warp engine to usher in a new age of humanity, he did it for money (and women!). He even got sick of the hero worship and tried to run away from it all. But during the launch of the Phoenix and meeting the Vulcans, and seeing how important his discovery is for humanity, Cochrane evolves and becomes the person everyone saw him as. Humanity's evolution as a race personified.

On the other side of things you have Picard. The movie's first point of contention is that Starfleet is sure about the E's crew, but not her captain. Starfleet thinks that if Picard comes into direct confrontation with, it'll create an "unstable element." ...And it does! Picard comments to Lily how that, in the twenty-fourth century, humanity has evolved to a higher point; a point at which money is unnecessary, Earth is a paradise, etc. But as the movie progresses Picard becomes increasingly unhinged, seeking to hurt the Borg more than doing what's right for the situation. In the end, it takes the twenty-first century, lesser-evolved human to talk some sense into Picard. He is, at his worst, no better than the humans from which he's claimed to have evolved. This also asks, though weakly, if humanity can ever really evolve, and it's really only better circumstances that allow us to be more generous.

And the fourth season of Enterprise was pretty good.

all good points, but I think that what ultimately worked with the audience was the fact that there's a cinematically speaking interesting enemy, those superb first ten minutes showing a huge battle, a suspenseful final showdown and time travel. Time travel ALWAYS works! And you find those same elements on steroids in the 09 movie. Abrams is a smart bloke
 
88% on RT.

Consensus:

Visually spectacular and suitably action packed, Star Trek Into Darkness is a rock-solid installment in the venerable sci-fi franchise, even if it's not as fresh as its predecessor.

vs ST2009

95% on RT.

Consensus:
Star Trek reignites a classic franchise with action, humor, a strong story, and brilliant visuals, and will please traditional Trekkies and new fans alike.
 
all good points, but I think that what ultimately worked with the audience was the fact that there's a cinematically speaking interesting enemy, those superb first ten minutes showing a huge battle, a suspenseful final showdown and time travel. Time travel ALWAYS works! And you find those same elements on steroids in the 09 movie. Abrams is a smart bloke
Time travel doesn't always work. See Generations. ;)
 
Behind the scenes:

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After watching the press barrage for ST:ID I have come to the conclusion that I really do not think that I like JJ Abrams.
I mean I appreciate that he was able to get a new Star Trek franchise started, and brought together a great cast...
But he is a smug little shit, and is really does not give a shit about anything that has come before him and has no problem saying it. He gives enough token nods and stays in frame enough to keep old fans aboard though honestly this could just be his way with Trek.
I understand that Trek needed something to bring it into the twenty first century but would still love to see someone with at least a little more ties or warm fuzzies for the older stuff.
I think many people joked that he was really wanting to do Star Wars and now he has his chance.
 
88% on RT.

Consensus:



vs ST2009

95% on RT.

Consensus:

God those numbers and quotes make me sad. I wish people had more interest in a cohesive plot these days. Explosions are cool, but damn people get distracted by the pretty lights easily.
 
Heh. Can't believe Nicolas Meyer said this:

Nicholas Meyer, writer and director of the best Star Trek movies, once wrote that “at its absolute worst, Star Trek is a plaid-pants, golf-course Republican version of the future where white men and American values always predominate (despite blatant tokenism), and gunboat diplomacy carries the day.”
 
lols!

I thought I was the only one who played this game to death.

Hell no, baby. Custom race w/ Terran Tech Tree 4 lyfe.

You aren't, I play Gal Civ II all the time. I usually play a custom race with the Terran template simply because I can make Star Trek like ships very easily with them, and then I proceed to expand my own "Federation" until the whole universe belongs to me!



I love GC2.
 
Heading out to see the film tonight.

Star Wars fan here though. Never really liked the Star Trek films, but though the last one was pretty fun. Trailers seem to indicate that this will be no better or worse from the previous. Maybe an actual villain this time around though!
 
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