Maximilian E.
AKA MS-Evangelist
The problem with this is that, Bayonetta2 is really not doing anything for Wii U.
They are actively seeking the wrong titles to secure it seems..
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The problem with this is that, Bayonetta2 is really not doing anything for Wii U.
They are actively seeking the wrong titles to secure it seems..
Randolph Freelander
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Meanwhile, as the world awaits Mario platformer #20...
Boco_Jones
Banned
What was the last good game Nintendo made on a console though seriously? The last one I truly enjoyed was Super Mario Galaxy 2. Zelda SS made me realise that Nintendo are still stuck in the dark ages with the design philosophies and it was a game I'd have liked more if I was 15 years younger or something. It just wasn't that good and I'm a big Zelda fan. I found it boring. Don't know why exactly as it was a well designed game. It felt like I've been there done that.
They've been going downhill with their output for a few years now with the exception of a few good 3DS games. They're relying on unexciting games that offer nothing new and are just rehashes (NSMB, Wii to 3DS ports, crappy Metroid M etc) - yet the press keep giving them a free pass because they are Nintendo.
They aren't the great company they once were anymore.
They've been going downhill with their output for a few years now with the exception of a few good 3DS games. They're relying on unexciting games that offer nothing new and are just rehashes (NSMB, Wii to 3DS ports, crappy Metroid M etc) - yet the press keep giving them a free pass because they are Nintendo.
They aren't the great company they once were anymore.
*shake Magic 8-ball*
"Outlook bleak."
*shake*
"Yes."
Nekofrog said:
Nintendo actively courted Mikami and Capcom. Something they RARELY do and why they are in this "third party death" situation. They are very apathetic about third parties. It doesn't matter if there has been some third party success stories on Nintendo platforms, that doesn't change facts: Nintendo has 0 weight in regards to third parties. Why else is Ubisoft the only third party actively on board with them? All the others (read: EA, Activision, 2K) has no plans or very little plans for the Wii U.
Edit: Misread your post, Nekofrog but the point remains the same.
Or they can't get anyone to jump on board even if they're accepting Nintendo's money. It's a bad situation to be in, and I don't see how dragging the Wii U around for 3 or 4 years is a good thing.
James Sawyer Ford
Banned
I'm not arguing quality. The games may be great, but they're simply not the same as your CoDs, Assassin's Creeds, Battlefields, etc...when it comes to pushing a platform to the masses.
That's the third party stuff I'm speaking about.
speculawyer
Member
Not gonna happen.
They'll keep pushing the WiiU. When they finally release Zelda, a Mario 3D platformer, Mario Kart, etc. it will at least do OK. This won't be a good generation for them but they are not going to abandon it.
Edit: And I think third-parties will release some stuff for the WiiU after it gets some traction. Mostly drek that GAF won't be interested in though like kiddie shovelware.
They'll keep pushing the WiiU. When they finally release Zelda, a Mario 3D platformer, Mario Kart, etc. it will at least do OK. This won't be a good generation for them but they are not going to abandon it.
Edit: And I think third-parties will release some stuff for the WiiU after it gets some traction. Mostly drek that GAF won't be interested in though like kiddie shovelware.
Chie Satonaka
Member
Oh, I know. It's not even difficult to see why this should never, ever happen. I'm just pointing out some of the silly season commentary I've seen here and other places.
Nintendo exiting the industry isn't good for anyone.
To the actual subject, the WiiU isn't going anywhere. It'll be supported as long as Nintendo continues to make games for it. It might not be the PS4, but it's a capable console, and will have some visually impressive software.
It'll be interesting to see how people will respond if Nintendo turns this around. I'm not optimistic, but I'm hopeful. Never count them out.
Caddywompus
Member
The only way I could see this happening is if Nintendo released a third pillar that unintentionally replaces the Wii U the same way the Gameboy line was phased out after the success of the DS.
Maximilian E.
AKA MS-Evangelist
leaving hardware biz does not mean that Nintendo should stop making games.
They still could and should, but provide them through a service like Steam. They also should invest in proper online-infrastructure, with multiplayer and such.. that is hardware independent.. win win for Nintendo.
Beetleking11
Banned
Oh fuck sake.. Wii u have good graphics and you still play Ps3 games without any complaining about how shitty ps3 games looks..... Do we need really a expensive console with Super B graphic?? Wii u graphic power is good enough to pleasing people.
Maximilian E.
AKA MS-Evangelist
Exactly!
For NIntendo to go after the big fish IPs, would cost quite much money for them, and I dont even think it would be worth it.
Chie Satonaka
Member
Why do people continue to perpetuate the idea that Nintendo can have the same level of quality as a third party company?
"THEY MAKE GOOD GAMES SO THEY CAN DO THAT EVERYWHERE RIGHT?!" isn't how it works, guys.
Zoramon089
Banned
Please stop entertaining this incredibly foolish idea. It's not going to happen.
Axonometri
Member
Big N has done very well in handhelds for years. Although, I agree they could really help merge into today's market by bringing some of their big IP to other platforms. Just don't see Nintendo doing this. Bringing them to their hardware.. I would see first.
PROTIP
console power isn't just good for better graphics
ai,framerate, scale, draw distance, etc are ALL things that consume "power"
all of that stuff is gimped on wii u too
this power= better graphics stuff is rediculous
the wii u is missing allot more then just graphics compared to next gen possibilities
For my selfish needs, I would want them to bow out of the console business. At this point in my life, I can't justify a Wii U purchase or probably any other Nintendo console but a handheld I can. If Nintendo had 100 percent focus on a handheld, it would be great for someone like me.
Axonometri
Member
Everything you listed make up graphics... ?
Beetleking11
Banned
SMT
this show is not Breaking Bad why is it not Breaking Bad? it should be Breaking Bad dammit Breaking Bad
Nintendo should go third party for consoles, and stay dabbling on their handhelds, until nobody wants them anymore.
I mean, they excel in the handheld business, right?
The irony.
I mean, they excel in the handheld business, right?
Nintendo focuses on underpowered systems (no longer power, since the cube) to deliver an 'experience', which they have yet to deliver.
The irony.
They have billions of dollars they could invest in more developers and IPs while continuing to make old ones, If the games came to Google play and the Apple store prices could be a lot cheaper, and meet a much bigger audience. This would be a win for all.
I do not see it either, but at the rates the Wii U is selling , and the continual losses of third party support makes me think they may not be making a new console after this one as consoles as we know them are on the way out. I can dream, eh.
Unfortunately you need a singificant amount of WOW with new technology to make people want it, and the tablet controller didn't do enough and neither did the hardware, and just for the sake of multiplatform games it may've been worth pushing a bit further with hardware just to stay relevant.
Boco_Jones
Banned
The Wii U's problems are completely 100% Nintendo's fault. They've had a huge amount of time to produce games for it. Just look at how dead Wii has become last three years. It's not like they were busy making other games.....what the fuck have they been doing all this time?
They've had 12 months for decent launch window titles and secure third party exclusives but they haven't. They certainly had the resources, time and money to do it. It makes me wonder what the hell they were thinking just sitting on their ass until now. Now it's biting them in the ass with the Wii U sales.
They've handled their year headstart from next gen in the most pathetic and miserable way imaginable - by not doing nothing until the last minute. It couldn't have been any worse.
As a comparision the Xbox 360 year headstart from Wii and PS3 had many fresh exciting games in the same timeframe - Oblivion, PGR, Ghost Recon, Gears 1 etc which kept the momentum going - not to mention a better unified online network even back then.
My Wii U is gathering dust, just like the Wii and has not been switched on since I updated it.
They've had 12 months for decent launch window titles and secure third party exclusives but they haven't. They certainly had the resources, time and money to do it. It makes me wonder what the hell they were thinking just sitting on their ass until now. Now it's biting them in the ass with the Wii U sales.
They've handled their year headstart from next gen in the most pathetic and miserable way imaginable - by not doing nothing until the last minute. It couldn't have been any worse.
As a comparision the Xbox 360 year headstart from Wii and PS3 had many fresh exciting games in the same timeframe - Oblivion, PGR, Ghost Recon, Gears 1 etc which kept the momentum going - not to mention a better unified online network even back then.
My Wii U is gathering dust, just like the Wii and has not been switched on since I updated it.
Beetleking11
Banned
Yeah but they also belong to the graphic section.
yeah, all anybody makes on other platforms is cod, if you imagined that you heard of games other than cod or shooters or dudebro on those platforms I am sad to inform you that you must have been high, they just don't exist. at all, ever. Nintendo is the only one capable of providing any sort of platform capable of providing diversity to this industry, the only one, and noone could ever replace them in that function at all ever.
ai r teh grafix
Unless the next Zelda is awesome, I wonder how it's actually going to be received. People were hyped for Other M, and look how that turned out. Same with Skyward Sword.
Would anyone trust them if they let the system go 3 or 4 years with a new game here and there? It's already been over 6 months and people are already complaining about the situation. So multiply that by 3 years and would that be any better?
Beetleking11
Banned
No you are wrong.. they need games and cheap console.. not power.
Chie Satonaka
Member
They're already doing this to a degree in the form of partnerships with third parties. Just not western ones.
Hopefully, this practice continues.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Define pleased. How many Wii U's do you expect it will have sold by the end of this year?
pants
Member
perfectchaos007
Member
I think this will just be a short generation for Nintendo. Sony and Microsoft will have 8-10 year systems, but this one will be 4 or 5. Nintendo's next console will probably release in the middle of next gen as opposed to the end. No way to they expect the Wii U to last a full 8-10 year cycle, unless they have some unrealistic expectations for its inevitable rebound
They won't abandon the wii u. I doubt they will fire Iwata, but if they do, I doubt their third party relations would be any better. The wii u will gain traction once there is something that supports the vision of the console is sold to the public (if that ever happens). If there is one thing about Nintendo, no matter how many times they get out in that underdog position, they usually end up bouncing right back (and ironically putting themselves back in that position somehow). They're experts at fixing their own mistakes.
Mostly an entertainment hub, not difficult to see they do try to provide a unique gaming experience though.
Mostly an entertainment hub, not difficult to see they do try to provide a unique gaming experience though.
Crash Station
Member
Then you missed out on Little King's Story, AKA the 2nd best third party game of last gen (behind Bayonetta).
pants
Member
Well I don't think Nintendo can afford to drop out of the console race, their only business is gaming and removing themselves from the living room space, even briefly will eat away at their mindshare more (as the Wii did to an extent) and it could leave room open for another manufacturer to fill the void they left behind and lock them out completely. Their best bet is to use this as a learning curve and launch a new console when they are all up to speed (but not to early or you burn WiiU owners even further)
I'M FINISHED!
Um exCUSE me Sakurai but CLEARLY the best choice for Smash Bros would be my fav niche character HOWEVER you are clearly INCOMPETENT and
Gamecube was third party heaven.
i feel like we should wait until we know the state of their wii u lineup this year to make judgments about the state of their wii u lineup this year
A tablet controller isn't diversity. It's a gimmick.
Beetleking11
Banned
Whats going on in this thr--
oh
Did I deserve dat GIF?
Axonometri
Member
AI you got me on.. except the AI is represented in graphical form.. so the coding of the AI also ends up being passed through the Grafix engine and rendered to the screen.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
pants
Member
That's not a gif mate.
They have some misfires, but they've generally done more right than wrong when it came to innovating.
Axonometri
Member
Apple and Andriod sure has a successful gimmick.
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