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[OrangeJulius]

The bottom line is that the vast majority of 3rd party software on the Wii and WiiU is shovelware. Nintendo painted themselves into that corner when they chose to make two generations of consoles that were each a gen behind technologically.

Selling consoles on a gimmick is a way to make a quick buck, but it isn't going to make 3rd parties flock to your console. Especially since Nintendo has a well documented history of treating 3rd parties like utter garbage.

I used to love Nintendo systems, but the people running the company are driving them straight off a cliff. They need to drop hardware and go 3rd party. They would do much, much better that way.

 

[Katana_Strikes]

Next week's gaming headline news: "EA's Bob Summerwill departs from company"

Maybe him and Sweet Billy can set up their own gaming company

 

[SturokBGD]

I guess he didn't hear the news yet... Iwata just said this morning he was going to HELP us all understand! #basediwata

But seriously, yikes. I've seen Nintendo eat some mud over the last three decades, but 2013 has been something else.

 

[efyu_lemonardo]

It's implying the calm before the storm that we're currently in now.

heh I guess that would be a good analogy indeed. don't know why it went completely over my head..

 

[GhostTrick]

Nintendo rejected FIFA?

Sorry, I made a mistake. I meant Nintendo rejected their Origin thing but also EA deserve it because of that shamefull FIFA port.

 

[krizzx]

How can power be really an issue if most of their titles are still getting released on 360 and PS3, it's not like all those games WiiU is missing run only on PS4 or high end PCs. The decision to not support the Plattform was made probably 12 months or more ago, so I don't sales played a major part.

Wait, are you actually taking what he said seriously or as possibly being factual?

I guess he didn't hear the news yet... Iwata just said this morning he was going to HELP us all understand! #basediwata

But seriously, yikes. I've seen Nintendo eat some mud over the last three decades, but 2013 has been something else.

Because no other third party company exist or are making games for Nitnendo hardware besides EA.

 

[prag16]

Quick, someone ask that dude about the shader count while he's still riled up!

lmao

 

[enewtabie]

It may not seem it around there parts but is theoretically possible to be a fan of Nintendo and EA.There must people that play EA games on a Sony/Microsoft console while owning a WiiU.
There's no need to annoy those customers.

It may not be the biggest issue but I bet EA's PR department aren't happy at having to clear up yet another mess.

You are getting it. It doesn't matter what his opinion is,it's how it's handled. There are plenty of things I would love to say daily about companies,things but you just don't do it. For people that have a hard time understanding that, I would suggest you go on twitter and start telling people about your companies customers/possible future customers.
All the things that irritate you. See how well it works out for you. This is the thing you talk about in the office or come home and tell your wife or significant other.
I could care less about the dude or his comments,but I wouldn't want to have clean up after him. Also I wouldn't assume EA and Nintendo never work together again..Stranger things have happened.

 

[Kai Dracon]

Hmm. Who do you listen to for opinions about Wii U hardware.

A silly ranty sports game engineer who sounds like a gamefaqs poster.

An programmer from Criterion who worked on a real Wii U game that got released, and was everything it was claimed to be.

At this point, it all just sort of bleeds together into dogpiling while grasping for every possible negative thing to say since Nintendo is actually in trouble. It's not that nobody should criticize a company. It's just the sense of sheer, giddy eagerness lovingly woven into every line you read about Nintendo these days.

Nobody I've seen is phrasing it as "it's a damn shame Nintendo walked into this position given their storied history. What can they do now to save themselves." Instead it's "Yes! This is it! Nintendo's going down and it's going to be so good. These fuckers are finally getting what they deserve!"

And I would say the same thing if such drivel, and bargain basement forumite behavior was directed at another company, like Sony.

 

[DragonSworne]

Again you ignore the fact that all 3rd party software on Wii-U is selling like shit.

Again you ignore that EA always release gimped titles at platform launch, yet they sell well elsewhere.

It's not like people are buying the Wii U for first party titles either.

 

[ultrazilla]

Very unprofessional.

Didn't EA's own NFS: MW WiiU prove it's a more powerful system by
featuring the high rez pc textures(something the devs said the ps3/360
could not do?)

 

[Eteric Rice]

The bottom line is that the vast majority of 3rd party software on the Wii and WiiU is shovelware. Nintendo painted themselves into that corner when they chose to make two generations of consoles that were each a gen behind technologically.

Selling consoles on a gimmick is a way to make a quick buck, but it isn't going to make 3rd parties flock to your console. Especially since Nintendo has a well documented history of treating 3rd parties like utter garbage.

I used to love Nintendo systems, but the people running the company are driving them straight off a cliff. They need to drop hardware and go 3rd party. They would do much, much better that way.

It's already been explained a hundred times why this wouldn't be better at all.

 

[SapientWolf]

NSMBU and Nintendo Land have 2.8 and 2.5 million units sold.

Oh yeah, NPD is only in the states.

 

[Respawn]

My goodness. There's an Ice Cube song about days like today, but I forget it right now.

Smoky I love your f'ing posts lol

 

[Visualante2]

Serious art form? From someone at EA? That's the joke here, right..?

He worked at Maxis on Spore. Which was pretty ahead of its time imo.

 

[Cbajd5]

You're all ignoring the worst thing about his comments:

THIS IS LITERALLY THE WORST THING EVER

WHY DO YOU GIVE A SIMPLE SMILEY FACE A NOSE

IS JUST FINE THANK YOU VERY MUCH

IT EXPRESSES EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE EXPRESSED PERFECTLY FINE

ADDING A NOSE DOES NOTHING TO CHANGE IT

IT JUST MAKES IT NEEDLESSLY COMPLEX

Anyways this isn't suprising, and honestly doesn't change anything since EA already said they're not making games for the Wii U.

 

[Kasumi1970]

Sega still love Nintendo. (don't know if that a good or bad thing)

 

[HawthorneKitty]

It's already been explained a hundred times why this wouldn't be better at all.

Sh-sh-sh-sh, let them at least dream.

 

[mercenar1e]

hes telling the truth so it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.. i can't wait for Nintendo to reveal more unprecedented third party support for the Wii U lol

 

[RiverBed]

Does this guy hate having a job?

personal comments shoul not effect employment.

 

[Linkstrikesback]

I don't see why this guy should be punished for making a comment on his personal Twitter account. I wouldn't have even known he worked for EA.

It doesn't matter whether they deserve it or not. Didn't you hear? Once the neogaf machine decides you're going to be fired, that's it.

At least, that's what all the gaming outlets had to say last time the machine really let loose, and we wouldn't want to disappoint all the news sites who skim gaf to copy headlines, would we?

 

[AGITΩ]

So if Wii U sales suddenly go gangbusters, and EA finally decides to release content, how do they expect the games to actually sell after pulling such great PR like this?

 

[Boney]

Gen4?

playstation 1, 2 , 3 and 4

duh

 

[DragonSworne]

You're all ignoring the worst thing about his comments:

THIS IS LITERALLY THE WORST THING EVER

WHY DO YOU GIVE A SIMPLE SMILEY FACE A NOSE

IS JUST FINE THANK YOU VERY MUCH

IT EXPRESSES EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE EXPRESSED PERFECTLY FINE

ADDING A NOSE DOES NOTHING TO CHANGE IT

IT JUST MAKES IT NEEDLESSLY COMPLEX

Only gen4 systems can render noses

 

[cws]

Wait, are you actually taking what he said seriously or as possibly being factual?

This was a respond to posters like Bacon Sammy who are basing the whole non-support from EA of the systems power. WiiU is powerful enough for most of their games, it's not the reason why they aren't bothering with it. A more powerful system wouldn't change much.

 

[Aretak]

Sorry, I made a mistake. I meant Nintendo rejected their Origin thing but also EA deserve it because of that shamefull FIFA port.

It's not like the Wii U is the only new console to get a horrible version of FIFA. The Xbox 360's version of FIFA 06 is one of the worst versions of FIFA ever released.

 

[Dany]

Why do people think he should be fired? People think it's a given based on what he said but j don't get why.

 

[Pristine_Condition]

hope the money they save from ditching the Wii U goes into the EA UFC game.

If I were an EA shareholder, I'd demand that you be named the new corporate vp for creative development. (After I was done buying you a beer, a 14-oz ribeye, and a table dance from the finest adult entertainer in the city.)

 

[cyberheater]

A number of devs have talked about CPU performance in a negative way.

And with a game, it'll run as fast as the slowest component. If you have a CPU-bound 360 game and you port it to Wii U, chances are it'll run at a lower framerate. So if you see that in your game or have to start cutting on that platform to bring performance up to par, you might conclude it's simply not as capable a platform. Extra performance vs 360 in other areas will be immaterial when you're bound by the slower component. Yes, you could do some things with that excess power elsewhere without affecting your framerate, but if your framerate is sub-par you're more likely to spend your resources trying to fix the code running on the slower component, aren't you? It's a bit more fundamental. And thus if you spend your Wii U time cutting or optimising away things vs another platform, it's not going to leave a great impression around capability.

Yes. I keep forgetting that Nintendo gimped the CPU. I guess the GPU isn't enough by itself to push the performance envelop about the current HD twins.

 

[Durante]

Quick, someone ask that dude about the shader count while he's still riled up!

That's a good idea.

Spoiler

It's 160

 

[Lambtron]

Again you ignore the fact that all 3rd party software on Wii-U is selling like shit.

Nintendo absolutely has a 3rd party issue. But it's really a vicious cycle. The Nintendo consoles have some sort of limitation (processing power, storage, online, blah) that make it harder for 3rd parties to include it in their plans. But it's not like (many) of the 3rd parties are bending over backwards to make software that is up to the system's strengths. I think Just Dance is a terrible piece of shit game, but it sold like gangbusters because it made sense on the Wii. Dead Rising is one of my favorite games of the gen, but it was quite possibly the single worst game Capcom had that they could port down to the Wii. It turned out like shit and sold like shit and we didn't see a ton else from them on the system.

From what I've gathered, the handful of unique, decent 3rd party titles are selling a lot better than late port jobs that are being praised far too much if you call them half assed.

 

[fluffydelusions]

personal comments shoul not effect employment.

Tell that to guy from MS the other week

 

[jay]

So if Wii U sales suddenly go gangbusters, and EA finally decides to release content, how do they expect the games to actually sell after pulling such great PR like this?

Is this satire?

 

[ultrazilla]

personal comments shoul not effect employment.

Ugh when you represent a company they sure as hell do.

 

[Xplatformer]

With all this drama, Wii U has given me more fun than my PS3.

Don't sports game much?

 

[TwEE-N-Toast]

Nintendo fans are great at being mad at other people for saying Nintendo makes underpowered hardware. Why they can't mentally cut out the middle man and just be mad at Nintendo for making the underpowered hardware in the first place is the real mystery. Instead it seems the overwhelming pattern of nintendo fandom is to defend Nintendo's decision to cheat their customers out of current technology at all costs, and attack anyone who says anything negative about it.

Is that really happening in this thread?

 

[Sadist]

Hmm. Who do you listen to for opinions about Wii U hardware.

A silly ranty sports game engineer who sounds like a gamefaqs poster.

An programmer from Criterion who worked on a real Wii U game that got released, and was everything it was claimed to be.

At this point, it all just sort of bleeds together into dogpiling while grasping for every possible negative thing to say since Nintendo is actually in trouble. It's not that nobody should criticize a company. It's just the sense of sheer, giddy eagerness lovingly woven into every line you read about Nintendo these days.

Nobody I've seen is phrasing it as "it's a damn shame Nintendo walked into this position given their storied history. What can they do now to save themselves." Instead it's "Yes! This is it! Nintendo's going down and it's going to be so good. These fuckers are finally getting what they deserve!"

And I would say the same thing if such drivel, and bargain basement forumite behavior was directed at another company, like Sony.

Yup.

Lol, btw IGN picked up the story already. "When we need news, we go to NeoGAF!"

 

[StuBurns]

So if Wii U sales suddenly go gangbusters, and EA finally decides to release content, how do they expect the games to actually sell after pulling such great PR like this?

Exactly like if none of this had happened.

Nintendo would never turn EA away if they decided to come back, so EA can say and do whatever it likes.

 

[Conan-san]

Serious art form? From someone at EA? That's the joke here, right..?

The joke is Sim City.

 

[effzee]

The bottom line is that the vast majority of 3rd party software on the Wii and WiiU is shovelware. Nintendo painted themselves into that corner when they chose to make two generations of consoles that were each a gen behind technologically.

Selling consoles on a gimmick is a way to make a quick buck, but it isn't going to make 3rd parties flock to your console. Especially since Nintendo has a well documented history of treating 3rd parties like utter garbage.

I used to love Nintendo systems, but the people running the company are driving them straight off a cliff. They need to drop hardware and go 3rd party. They would do much, much better that way.

Again WTF are you talking about? They sold the Wii like hotcakes. Why in the world would Nintendo bail on the hardware business? Its bad right now but they can maybe turn it around enough to remain profitable and at least try for another console in the next cycle before they finally throw their hands up in the air give up and go 3rd party. Nintendo isn't making tons of money but they aren't financially in trouble where they need to abandon their business.

 

[GoddyofAus]

personal comments shoul not effect employment.

Should not, but it does. Orth set a big precedent.

 

[Meier]

I don't see why this guy should be punished for making a comment on his personal Twitter account. I wouldn't have even known he worked for EA.

personal comments shoul not effect employment.

It reflects poorly on his employer and seems to indicate that he isn't intelligent enough to have a senior level position. You never want to publicly burn bridges in an industry like this.

 

[OrangeJulius]

It's already been explained a hundred times why this wouldn't be better at all.

Why wouldn't it? They tried to catch lighting in a bottle twice with the WiiU. A controller gimmick isn't going to sell consoles twice in a row. Most people don't even know the WiiU exists. They think it's an add on for the Wii.

They are not going to make oodles of cash selling tech that 5-8 years old at inflated prices like they did the Wii. It's just not going to happen.

Getting out of hardware would let them focus on what Nintendo does best, make fun games.

 

[Skiesofwonder]

It's an opinion shared by many, nonetheless. See: sales

I love how all of a sudden sales are a sign of quality, when only a few years ago during the Wii phenomenon they were anything but.

 

[Meelow]

So if Wii U sales suddenly go gangbusters, and EA finally decides to release content, how do they expect the games to actually sell after pulling such great PR like this?

If Nintendo's and EA's relationship ever fixes, Nintendo fans will always hate EA because of these past few days.

 

[Coolwhip]

Why do people think he should be fired? People think it's a given based on what he said but j don't get why.

Fired is too harsh. But it's yet another game developer that has no clue how Twitter works.

 

[Zyae]

NSMBU and Nintendo Land have 2.8 and 2.5 million units sold.

Launch titles, plus nintendo land is bundled with the console in some skus

 

[Cbajd5]

Only gen4 systems can render noses

but who needs noses it's not like you can smell virtual stuff anyways

 

[gofreak]

Yes. I keep forgetting that Nintendo gimped the CPU. I guess the GPU isn't enough by itself to push the performance envelop about the current HD twins.

In some games it will. Which is why some devs will say it's better.

At least as long as CPU pressure fits within Wii U's bounds anyway.

Most developers will probably speak from their own experience with games on the system, and so you'll have varying opinions depending on what parts their respective games stress more or less.

 

[ReturnOfTheRAT]

The saddest part of the modern games industry is how many people think that graphical capabilities == system quality. God forbid a company try something new instead of pumping out a third identical CoD machine. It's like everyone wants complete and utter parity amongst everything.

The Wii is your example of something different. It tapped into markets game companies had no clue about. The Wii U has nothing like that going for it and is off putting to many of the people that made the Wii what it is/was.