EA Sports Engineer: Wii U is crap, < powerful than 360. No $ 3party. [Tweets Deleted]

Principate said:
Do you think there's only two options for people to play games on? There's the pc which is entirely uncharted territory for Nintendo wich a large proportion can move to and then there's people not bother with consoles (Nintendo is family orientated people may not buy not necessarily buy the more mature consoles that are generally more expensive from the onset e.g the reasonably large proportion of families that own a Wii but nothing else.

There's also the fact the Sonic brand dropped significantly outside of Mario and Sonic post dream cast.

Nintendo consoles have also traditionally been very profitable in comparison to their competition who are still in the console race.
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Yes, they have been profitable because they are selling old tech at inflated prices and now that practice is biting them in the ass.
 
Camilos said:
Why post a direct link to his LinkedIn account? Why didn't you just post the screenshot? What exactly are you trying to achieve by doing this?
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You should do that question to the MOD that put the link in the first place fellow GAFfer. If you just arrived here I suggest you go to where the thread Started. #Page1

Thanks in advance.
 
KojiKnight said:
It may or it may not... At the very least he's probably going to get reamed by his superiors, and we've already had SEVERAL examples in the last few years of just things like this getting someone fired.

I hope he doesn't get fired for it just like I hoped what's-his-face over at microsoft didn't get fired... but my god, that was only like a month ago... how does someone that big in the industry not pay attention to industry news?
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If we go by your scenario, he will surely be martyred, and fuel even more objections towards Nintendo. People can only hope he doesn't get canned as, not all the devs have spoken out. Would you really want a bigger wave of 'industry people' speaking out if you were Nintendo?

I can only see this being part of the current storm, or it can be the catalyst for a massive blizzarda, thunderaga, or beserks eclipse.
 
OrangeJulius said:
Nobody said it was easy. You all keep pointing to Nintendos overflowing bank account and act like that money can't bleed dry in less than a decade.

Businesses go bankrupt all the time that were at one point stocked with cash and employees. Why are you acting like it can't happen to Nintendo?

And please, I didn't insult you. You acted dramatic like I somehow ignored your important post.
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You aren't going to last very long if you keep this up. I really suggest that you just step away from the keyboard, calm down, and grab a Corona or something. Oh, and...


OrangeJulius said:
Yes, they have been profitable because they are selling old tech at inflated prices and now that practice is biting them in the ass.
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They just posted an $80 million profit for the last fiscal year. They still seem to be making money sticking to their core business philosophies.
 
SMT said:
He did that so it doesn't look like he represents the ideologies of EA. I say look, because we all know the truth. He's not going to be fired, this is not a sign of him being fired.
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I know that, never implied he was getting fired, just noticed he got rid of his twitter profile bio.
 
vctor182 said:
Twilight Princess too. Zelda has lost it, hopefully the new 3DS and WiiU Zelda's can regain its selling power
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SS sold over 3m on a dying/dead system with a control scheme that required a peripheral.

I think it's a little early to start proclaiming Zelda's death.
 
OrangeJulius said:
This thread is like 32 pages. It's hard to follow. Sorry if you feel ignored. Are you an industry analyst? Do you have insider knowledge of Nintendo and their financial goals and plans?

How in the holy hell would you be able to say why Nintendo can or can't go 3rd party?

Are you Iwatas wife or something?
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Well, I won't get into too much detail, but suffice to say, if Nintendo were to go third-party, they would definitely look at Sega's example and their MISTAKE of spreading themselves too thin across many platforms. They'd probably just dedicate themselves to one platform, especially after the fierce bidding war between Sony and MS. My money would be on MS winning. I mean they bought Rare away from Nintendo and had no goddamn idea what to do with them. So if they have that kind of money to WASTE, they could definitely buy Nintendo's exclusivity. Anyway, at that point, Whoever Nintendo doesn't choose gets damned to obscurity. Sony would remain a bit player in the US, as MS would probably brand their consoles "Nintendo" in Japan, Or MS would remain a bit player in the U.S. and Japan would be forever sealed from them.

So we would go from three competitors to one and a half, overnight.

Also, EA's twitter dude would get wish and Nintendo would focus on making good games, which will probably be bought more than EA's. Careful what you wish for?

(Anybody find it slightly ironic that that EA dude said Nintendo should just "make good games?" Why because EA can't be bothered to?)
 
How come Sony is never urged to go 3rd party? Was that even a thing when PS3 was struggling? Because it wasn't the case with Vita, that's for sure.
 
the personal insults should stop now.

Rm88~ said:
How come Sony is never urged to go 3rd party? Was that even a thing when PS3 was struggling? Because it wasn't the case with Vita, that's for sure.
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What are the main differences between Nintendo as a company and Sony as a company
 
spekkeh said:
Meh, I used to be a Nintendo diehard from the NES until halfway into the Wii. Even diehards can tire of the same thing being done over and over. Nintendo used to be synonymous with high quality inventiveness, that's what made Nintendo diehards diehard in the first place. Now it's either quirky but forgettable or quality but a rehash. They probably thought that if it worked for the likes of Activision and EA, it would work for them. But the people who are e.g. CoD diehards don't value inventiveness, so serialization works a lot better for that.
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I have about the same timeline as you. It died for me when the drought on the Wii got to the point where I was insulted if I didn't enjoy the genre of the next flavor-of-the-quarter 1st party game. At this point, Nintendo fans don't have a genre they like, they have a publisher they like, which is depressing.
Rm88~ said:
How come Sony is never urged to go 3rd party? Was that even a thing when PS3 was struggling? Because it wasn't the case with Vita, that's for sure.
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Vita is an afterthought. Sony's handhelds are between generations and more made to compliment their main hardware. See Cross-buy, cross-play and the ports. Additionally, Sony's 1st-party studios and IP lineup is huge. It's bigger than Nintendo or MS combined.
 
OrangeJulius said:
Your post is full of assumptions. You assume the games would somehow turn to garbage. Let's not pretend that Mario Galaxy is some multi million dollar blockbuster that takes a staff of hundreds and 5 years to make.
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All you had to do is look at Sega after they went 3rd party. The quality in their games took a huge hit and eventually got brought up by Sammy. That alone backs up his so call assumptions.
 
Yes he has a kid, and it does feel bad that his job may be compromised but it really was dumb to tweet something like that in the first place, he may not had bad intentions but if you make something public in the internet it's bound to be discovered by someone else.

I have a family as well and I'm sure I won't be putting in jeopardy our stability like that.
 
wsippel said:
There's a difference between not walking over bridges and burning them.
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If Nintendo doesn't want to work with EA again because of some tweets. Well, no surprise the WiiU dosn't get any games.

The entire industry says bad things about the WiiU right now. And it's not that Nintendo wasn't not a big asshole to the third parties in the past.
 
Camilos said:
Why post a direct link to his LinkedIn account? Why didn't you just post the screenshot? What exactly are you trying to achieve by doing this?
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What can someone achieve with a LinkedIn link? Serious question. No matter what there is to achieve, it's already gone way viral anyway. And he brought this to himself by being extremely unprofessional. Have a good job? Try to keep it.
 
Time for some social media training. How can someone that high up in a tech industry be that stupid?

brochiller said:
Why the fuck do people keep calling next gen "gen 4."

Just because it's Playstation 4, does not mean it is "gen 4."
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For many, their gamer 'careers' really began with the PS1/N64-gen. That was when things started going mainstream for real. From there, it's a quick jump to the Sony system nomenclature (PS1, 2, 3, etc.) to be able to frame things in most peoples' minds. Therefore, we're into the fourth gen in their minds.

I agree with you though, for what it's worth. It's incorrect.

Similarly, I think of the incoming gen as Gen 6, because for me, things began with the NES. I know full well that there were 'gens' before the NES era though.
 
AZ Greg said:
Gonna be sad if the overreaction from the rabid Nintendo fans costs this guy his job for simply stating the truth...
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There's this little thing, it's called professionalism.
Also, 'weaker than Xbox 360?' Not truth. 'Crap console?' Matter of opinion. There is no objective truth in what he said, except for the 'casuals moved on to iPads' post.
 
OrangeJulius said:
Your post is full of assumptions. You assume the games would somehow turn to garbage. Let's not pretend that Mario Galaxy is some multi million dollar blockbuster that takes a staff of hundreds and 5 years to make.
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No, EmCee is right. As a platform holder, it doesn't matter if your games are successful in itself - it's quality over quantity. Because a good game will grow your installed base, a bigger installed base means bigger sales, and you get a share from every game sold. If you're third party, quality becomes secondary. It's all about direct revenue at that point. If you're third party, you simply can't afford having your top teams dick around for years, trying to polish their games to a shine. That's why the best games ever are almost exclusively first party.
 
Rm88~ said:
How come Sony is never urged to go 3rd party? Was that even a thing when PS3 was struggling? Because it wasn't the case with Vita, that's for sure.
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Because who would have given a shit if they did? Sony's first party is cool now, but at the start of the PS3's life, what difference would that have made to anyone? Also, if that happens, you don't get any 'benefits' in terms of the systems they're on. Uncharted 2 wouldn't be better on 360 or Wii, if Nintendo go third party, we'd get much better looking Nintendo games.
 
So, let's see:

1. EA loathes Nintendo/WiiU. Everyone knows that. They even currently aren't making any games for the system. Fuck, WiiU isn't even getting the next FIFA (which is pathetic since everyone at least gets FIFA).

2. An EA software engineer says this negative stuff about Nintendo/WiiU (also known as "the truth") and people think he will get fired? An EA engineer? His company can't stand Nintendo, if anything they might give this guy a promotion for following company policy towards Nintendo to the letter.
 
Projectjustice said:
All you had to do is look at Sega after they went 3rd party. The quality in their games took a huge hit and eventually got brought up by Sammy. That alone backs up his so call assumptions.
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You could make a strong argument that Segas first party games were largely crap long before they exited hardware. They made a few Sonic games that were critically loved and not much else. Sega never had the first party chops that Nintendo had. You can't compare the two.

You can't possibly say "oh since this happened to Sega it happened to Nintendo".

That's a very poor argument.
 
Might be right on 3rd parties (except it's not ''always'' or ''forever'' but has been true for a decade at most, and there have been a bunch of exceptions when the dev can make good games using their creativity to use the system. I find it astonishing how mostly only indie devs and first parties can figure out how to make a game FOR the Wii, or Wii U, and not try to find a way to port experiences to different technology. I wouldn't try to shoehorn Starcraft to Wii, it's a game made for PC, with PC in mind. Yet you see many just downport lazy products. It's no wonder Mario Galaxy and Zelda Skyward Sword sell more. It's not ONLY the fact they're Mario and Zelda. It's that they're the pinnacle of what designing a game with Wii in mind can be like. Just like how Wii Sports is. Just like how Nintendoland is. But they can keep telling themselves it's just because of IPs and not the awful products put out. Zombi U was one of the best received games in the launch window (mixed reviews but still) and it was designed with Wii U in mind.

Also, he is wrong on the ''less powerful than 360'' and just shows how much of a petty manchild he is. I guess in hindsight it's not surprising the industry's suffering like this. So unprofessional.

I guess it's represented in most of the things related to videogames though, from straight-up blasting of a fellow colleague during the GDC to the way our awards are handled (to have anything equivalent to film festivals like Cannes with professional panels and great thinkers studying the intricacies of the art ? We do have great minds like Juul and others working in universities and writing books but they're only at some sites like Gamasutra and GameStudies and others, they're not the ones you hear about all the time for awards or handling the VGAs, that's for Mountain Dew and Doritos to have their hands on)

This is just another symptom of an art that should be growing but is kept back by manchildren and money-hungry execs dishing out millions in marketing for their rehashes to sell and to try and drown great possible games by standardizing every experience to be the same, kinda. I get it's basically the equivalent to Michael Bay movies and the big blockbusters but at least there's variety and genuine great movies among those placing high in the box-office.
 
spekkeh said:
Meh, I used to be a Nintendo diehard from the NES until halfway into the Wii. Even diehards can tire of the same thing being done over and over. Nintendo used to be synonymous with high quality inventiveness, that's what made Nintendo diehards diehard in the first place. Now it's either quirky but forgettable or quality but a rehash. They probably thought that if it worked for the likes of Activision and EA, it would work for them. But the people who are e.g. CoD diehards don't value inventiveness, so serialization works a lot better for that.
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This. I've had every Nintendo system since SNES at launch, but just couldn't stomach Wii U. I suspect that there are a lot of people like me in this regard. I think the true blue Nintendo fans who did buy it at launch though, are a lot more hardcore in terms of Nintendo. I'm just part of the drop off, and I think that drop off will continue.
 
Tookay said:
SS sold over 3m on a dying/dead system with a control scheme that required a peripheral.

I think it's a little early to start proclaiming Zelda's death.
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It's certaintly not dead, but it did lost his selling power. Which is this whole Zelda point in the first place, the guy said only Mario and Zelda sell, but since N64 it has not been that case, with the exception of TP.
 
PhantomR said:
You aren't going to last very long if you keep this up. I really suggest that you just step away from the keyboard, calm down, and grab a Corona or something. Oh, and...




They just posted an $80 million profit for the last fiscal year. They still seem to be making money sticking to their core business philosophies.
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Don't backseat mod. If I insult someone personally then I should be banned. I don't think I've flat out insulted anyone here the way I have been so far in this thread.
 
No way he gets fired over this.

1. They only would if it would affect their sales (it won't)

2. The general public agrees with him. I don't think anyone I know honestly knows the wii u is even out. Or is something different from the wii.

3.this comment means nothing and changes nothing. Stop trying to make this a thing.
 
OrangeJulius said:
Your post is full of assumptions. You assume the games would somehow turn to garbage. Let's not pretend that Mario Galaxy is some multi million dollar blockbuster that takes a staff of hundreds and 5 years to make.
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It's taking Nintendo months longer than usual just to support the 3DS and a "modern" HD system. There were huge droughts for the Wii, 3DS, and Wii U while they had to actually make games. Games for hardware less advanced and more familiar to Nintendo than next-gen third party hardware.

Pikmin took an extra year to complete.

Mario Kart needed help from Retro.

Monolith had to pull double duty on Skyward Sword.

Third parties and second parties had to help Nintendo transition into HD.

Nintendo is relying more and more on nostalgic sure fire hits, though still managing to release "middle class" retail games and smaller digital titles thanks to its wealth of developers and resources.

EA has cut its losses on anything that isn't a huge seller.

Ubisoft is right behind them, declaring that they're going to focus more and more on their core IPs like Assassin's Creed with more frequent releases.

Sega has openly abandoned the major retail sphere for anything that isn't Sonic, Football Manager, or Total War.




Nintendo could transition into third party development, if its entire business philosophy and leadership changed overnight and it began preparing for an exit that would take place three or four years from now and worked overtime in a flexible manner. Nothing is impossible. But there is a pattern here and business realities involved here.
 
Gannd said:
It isn't a witch hunt. He said it in an incendiary way when I'm sure EA didn't want him saying it. When you say stupid shit on Twitter, you can lose your job. It's dumb for anyone to say anything that you wouldn't want your employer to hear about.


Also: I don't think the eShop is terrible. I think it's pretty good. I find it much easier to use than the Xbox Live marketpalce.
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Eh, so he said some crap? Offending some corporate entity shpuld not impact this guys ability to provide for his family. People saying he should get fired really puts into perspective how fucked up some people's priorities are.
 
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Nintendo deployes the assassins for talking smack.
 
Spongebob said:
The Wii U isn't less powerful than the 360.

If it was then ports to the Wii U wouldn't run on par with 360 versions.
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Plenty of times they don't.

But that isn't really a valid argument, because it's implying the games that are ported are pushing the 360 to its limit every time. Is there a game on Wii U that looks as good as the best looking 360 game? Until there is we can't say it's as powerful.
 
StuBurns said:
Because who would have given a shit if they did? Sony's first party is cool now, but at the start of the PS3's life, what difference would that have made to anyone? Also, if that happens, you don't get any 'benefits' in terms of the systems they're on. Uncharted 2 wouldn't be better on 360 or Wii, if Nintendo go third party, we'd get much better looking Nintendo games.
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Better looking, maybe. Better games though ? Most likely not.

Dave Meltzer said:
Plenty of times they don't.

But that isn't really a valid argument, because it's implying the games that are ported are pushing the 360 to its limit every time. Is there a game on Wii U that looks as good as the best looking 360 game? Until there is we can't say it's as powerful.
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NFS:MW U looks better on Wii U. Criterion praised it's power relative to the 360.

Edit : And looking as good as Halo 4 ? Give it a few more months when the games optimized for the platform start coming out (and even then they won't be maxing the console out).

Get over it, it's in between the two latest consoles of either manufacturer. Which is better than the Wii which stayed with similar power over the generation prior. I don't get how it's complicated.
 
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