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[Mantorok]

What I said from page 2...



"To further this, if this thread makes it to 10+ pages, it'll start hitting the little websites... then it has a chance of "going viral" and if it does, at the very least this guy will likely be forced to make an appology."

I'm thinking if he still has a job, the apology is guaranteed at this point... If not, I still wish him the best... no one should be fired for an errant comment... unfortunately, people use twitter like you're talking in a room with friends. In reality, you're talking in a room with strangers who all have tape recorders and know who you work for.

Lol loving that analogy right there.

 

[PdotMichael]

Nintendo stopped being an asshole a long time ago - though some dudes apparently never got the memo. Still, if I was in charge of Nintendo, I'd sip expensive wine watching EA crash and burn at this point. Let them die and pick up the remnants - the company as a whole is beyond salvation.

Looks like your problem is not some personal tweets of a EA software engineer but some weird hate against EA.

Nintendo burnt many bridges in the past and it was still possible to get Square in the same boat.

 

[Camp Lo]

One merciful step closer to twitter being banned for enployee usage by gaming corporations.

It really seems like this should be the case. People can't handle that kind of forum.

 

[Pseudo_Sam]

One merciful step closer to twitter being banned for enployee usage by gaming corporations.

There's something about Twitter that directly bypasses the common sense section of people's brains

 

[EmCeeGramr]

Ok, now where getting somewhere. Where do you think Nintendo would be right now, at this moment if the Wii didn't have the success it did? For example, let's hypothetically say the Wii sputtered like the Cube did.

I think they'd still be trying another console, probably with a twist like the Wii (since they were already thinking in that direction during the GC era, and even if the Wii had done Cube numbers it'd still have probably turned a profit). The DS was still a massive hit, after all.

It's hard to say how things would be different it history had gone in the complete opposite direction.

 

[Kai Dracon]

I'm thinking if he still has a job, the apology is guaranteed at this point... If not, I still wish him the best... no one should be fired for an errant comment... unfortunately, people use twitter like you're talking in a room with friends. In reality, you're talking in a room with strangers who all have tape recorders and know who you work for.

Twitter is the public forum - in the Roman sense. There's nothing wrong with that, but everything you say on there is being stated before the city in a full gathering. The crowd will ignore random irrelevant chit-chat such as how the weather is this season or whether the cattle are healthy. But you don't march into the open forum and casually say "by the way, I'm planning to assassinate the emperor."

That will turn heads real quick and there's no taking it back.

If you work for a company or even a press outlet, you have an even bigger responsibility to watch what you say and how you say it - it's an unfortunate reality no matter if we think it's fair or not.

 

[nOoblet16]

Weaker CPU maybe. Stronger in all other regards that I've seen.

NeoGAF doesn't get people fired, they've done that themselves by making public statements. What are we supposed to do, lock the thread and censor the internet whenever someone says something stupid on twitter?

The CPU is considerably weaker but that's not all, it has a lot of other bottlenecks as well. For example, it has terrible bandwidth...even worse than the PS3 which is also one of the reason why you barely see any WiiU game use MSAA eventhough it has a larger memory.

 

[gngf123]

Can I get recap of the thread?

This is all you need to know:

 

[charsace]

What he's saying isn't a big deal imo. In movies and music his comments wouldn't really register. Movie directors say worse shit about their peers and the work of their peers all the time.

 

[The_Monk]

EA dude bashes Nintendo.
EA dude deletes tweets.
Everybody loses their minds.

You forgot a fellow GAFfer was banned and you did not post the Picture or the Photoshop one. Disappoint!

 

[Call Me Maybe]

Let's see in a year who made more money, Nintendo or EA...

Doesn't Nintendo ordinarily make more money? Is it not more highly valued? Does it not have higher valued assets and cash reserves?

 

[Schnozberry]

The EA business model is highly unsustainable.

I know. I was joking.

 

[TheSeks]

Sure:

Oh my god. :lol

 

[zsidane]

Let's try and figure out how his week start will look like:

It's Monday morning, he's drinking his coffee with a couple of colleagues trying to figure out the week's planning when his boss pops in. "Congratulations for your promotion!".
"What promotion? "
"Well, I was reading twitter, NeoGAF, IGN and any known gaming website and it looks like your running the PR team now"
"Well I can explain that..."
"In your resignation letter? Absolutly! Can't wait to read it in Kotaku!"

 

[strangedopamine]

For one out of four memory pools, yes. We only know the MEM2 bandwidth, we have no idea what bandwidth MEM1, let alone MEM0 has.

I see, I'll take back my statement until we get all the facts then.

 

[Stasis]

This whole ordeal makes the industry look bad in every way. Developers act like children on twitter, journalists run with the stories and sensationalize them, and everyone in general just acts like a bunch of babies.

Mostly, yeah. Honestly I think there are probably a bunch of people in the industry who agree with all or part of what he said. It's not that outlandish. It just needs to be kept to direct conversations rather than broadcast to the public and media who WILL run around with it like it's the most insane news ever in order to stir up a frenzy and get hits, primarily. This really isn't all that shocking.

If I ever end up in the industry (I'm not planning on it, but my field of study does lead me to the possibility) I am never ever going to say anything on any social media. No one cares that you're right or wrong, just that you said something outside of what's socially acceptable. I think this is not even close to what Adam Orth did. He deserved the outrage he got. This guy... aside from a reprimand from EA, meh.

And I do need to add that I mostly despise EA as a whole, so this is no fanboy-ism.

 

[Tookay]

That's all the point I was trying to make, they COULD do it. Let me simply ask you this. Do you see the WiiU succeeding at the rate it's going? Do you think the money Nintendo has pocketed now will last if they don't get this system going?

Look, it isn't a question whether or not they could do it.

They've got 10 billion in the bank. They can DO a ton of things.

But some pivots would be extremely costly, both in the long-term for the company, the quality of their games, and their negative impact on the very gamers who think it would "save" Nintendo.

 

[Linkstrikesback]

How is this NOT job ending at this point with IGN and GS coverage? Good lord this shit spread like wildfire

Of course it got news site coverage, it got a neogaf thread which blew up massively.

I guess we need to add a preliminary step to the neogaf news flowchart.

Edit: actually, we need an ending step too
Twitter>Neogaf>Internet>Neogaf>Fired

 

[Mashing]

I wonder if there's any truth to his statement that the Wii U is less powerful than the 360. As a software engineer / architect, wouldn't he know this kind of stuff?

Taken as a whole, I doubt it's weaker than a 360.

 

[vctor182]

I wonder if there's any truth to his statement that the Wii U is less powerful than the 360. As a software engineer / architect, wouldn't he know this kind of stuff?

As much truth as the rest of his statements I believe.

 

[GRW810]

Whether or not he gets fired, how did he not take a moment to consider whether his comments would cause some sort of controversy? People get on Twitter and embrace the freedom to speak publicly to such an extent that they forget that they don't HAVE to say everything that pops into their head.

 

[Cerebral Assassin]

That's all the point I was trying to make, they COULD do it. Let me simply ask you this. Do you see the WiiU succeeding at the rate it's going? Do you think the money Nintendo has pocketed now will last if they don't get this system going?

Even if the Wii U does worse than the GC they will not need to go 3rd party, they are an extremely careful company who keep significant cash stocks to allow them to take risks without needing external funding.

 

[ironcreed]

I wonder if he loves to be called Sweet Bobby?

 

[wsippel]

Looks like your problem is not some personal tweets of a EA software engineer but some weird hate against EA.

Nintendo burnt many bridges in the past and it was still possible to get Square in the same boat.

I don't hate EA, I simply don't care what they do. Huge difference.

 

[Call Me Maybe]

I know. I was joking.

Hard to tell anymore, especially in this thread

 

[StuBurns]

Assassin's Creed took, I think, four tries on PS3 before the resolution could match the 360 version.

Every Assassin's Creed on both systems is 720p, stop talking shit.

 

[miksar]

I'd promote him instead of firing him. If more people were as brave as him and stood up against Nintendo's tyranny, the industry would be in a much better shape than it is now.

 

[Tookay]

You forgot a fellow GAFfer was banned and you did not post the Picture or the Photoshop one. Disappoint!

Sorry.

Please understand.

 

[Schnozberry]

The CPU is considerably weaker but that's not all, it has a lot of other bottlenecks as well. For example, it has terrible bandwidth...even worse than the PS3 which is also one of the reason why you barely see any WiiU game use MSAA eventhough it has a larger memory.

talesfrommyass.gif?

 

[frankie_baby]

So how long before gaf is publicly blamed for his firing?

 

[PdotMichael]

I don't hate EA, I simply don't care what they do. Huge difference.

yeah sure

I'd sip expensive wine watching EA crash and burn at this point.

 

[v1oz]

The bandwidth on the RAM is worse.

No it isn't. It faster.

 

[TheDrowningMan]

I wonder if there's any truth to his statement that the Wii U is less powerful than the 360. As a software engineer / architect, wouldn't he know this kind of stuff?

It's very different hardware. Apples and oranges, really; you can get more out of it if you utilise it, but direct ports designed for the Class of 2005/6 aren't always going to come up peachy.

It has more than enough in there to ensure that it doesn't flail around hopelessly with multi-plats like PS3 did for a good five or six years (unless you bust your balls trying). Make of that what you want.

 

[Call Me Maybe]

I'd promote him instead of firing him. If more people were as brave as him and stood up against Nintendo's tyranny, the industry would be in a much better shape than it is now.

Wat

 

[StevieP]

Yes, they have been profitable because they are selling old tech at inflated prices and now that practice is biting them in the ass.

The Wii U was sold at a per-hardware loss.

Vita is an afterthought. Sony's handhelds are between generations and more made to compliment their main hardware. See Cross-buy, cross-play and the ports. Additionally, Sony's 1st-party studios and IP lineup is huge. It's bigger than Nintendo or MS combined.

So you're saying Sony released the Vita as an afterthought NOT as a platform, but as a second screen for PS3/4? I would say that's revisionist history, but then you are saying Sony's 1st party output is "bigger" than Nintendo's.

Edit: I guess it depends on which metric you are referring to, as sales is not one of them despite the usually-great quality of Sony's first party material.

watching EA crash and burn at this point. Let them die and pick up the remnants - the company as a whole is beyond salvation.

The EA business model is highly unsustainable.

I'm not sure about "highly unsustainable" because they are following the same trends that most other mega-publishers are following.

 

[Camp Lo]

For toeing the company line in a blunt fashion? This isn't the Adam Orth case where potential customers for their next big product get insulted.

You're right, insulting Nintendo directly is potentially much worse.

 

[GANGSTERKILLER]

Ice cold tweets. Wow.

 

[ironcreed]

So how long before gaf is publicly blamed for his firing?

I think that most people with common sense would blame him for not choosing his words more carefully on Twitter.

 

[fluffydelusions]

Can't wait for EA's response. Surely they've got to say something now that all these sites have picked up on the story.

 

[flintstryker]

Next week nintendo anounces:

Soccertendo!

Realistic soccer simulator, fun to play. As your club gets richer you also improve your home ground, build stands, build roofs. Play poorly your attendce will drop and you will earn less money, pay well you earn more. When you earn revenue you may buy better players. Compete online, and prove your team is the best.

Yearly updates that improve gameplay, graphics, and rooster. Buy one game, and continue playing that one game for the rest of the console's lifespan. Paid DLC and DRM not included in package.

------------------------------------------

That might also be shitting on PES.

fuck Sim they should make a new Nintendo World Cup

 

[vctor182]

I'd promote him instead of firing him. If more people were as brave as him and stood up against Nintendo's tyranny, the industry would be in a much better shape than it is now.

You seriously think the current state of this insdustry is Nintendo's fault?

 

[Y2Kev]

They run better in a couple of cases cases, and often in between the 360 / PS3 versions; Wii U was not the lead platform in any case. Architecture is substantially different, so it's either the easiest hardware of all time or it's not as horrible as many have convinced themselves.

Black Ops 2 finally shares the same resolution as the 360 / Wii U version...occasionally (it's dynamic), but it's taken six years. Assassin's Creed took, I think, four tries on PS3 before the resolution could match the 360 version. The Wii U version had a slightly inferior frame rate (which has been improved with patches) at launch; again, not the lead platform.

At the very least, the evidence suggests that both 360 and Wii U are a good half-gen ahead of the PS3 if you want to use unthinking, agenda-driven piffle. It also tells you that Wii U is maxed out from launch and, perhaps, that the 360's most technologically advanced games came in 2005.

Big threads are not excuses for you to spew whatever shit you want. Stop.

 

[10k]

Let's try and figure out how his week start will look like:

It's Monday morning, he's drinking his coffee with a couple of colleagues trying to figure out the week's planning when his boss pops in. "Congratulations for your promotion!".
"What promotion? "
"Well, I was reading twitter, NeoGAF, IGN and any known gaming website and it looks like your running the PR team now"
"Well I can explain that..."
"In your resignation letter? Absolutly! Can't wait to read it in Kotaku!"

lol. He won't get fired for this. While the Wii U is above the 360, the comments about Wii U being crap are his opinion and based on Wii U sales and hype, he may be right. My Wii U is being used for Super Mario World and Super Metroid right now. 20 year old games....Injustice is the only game I played on it in 2013, as I beat my launch games before xmas (NintendoLand and NSMBU).

 

[Tookay]

I'm not sure about "highly unsustainable" because they are following the same trends that most other mega-publishers are following.

Except less successfully.

 

[SMT]

Let's try and figure out how his week start will look like:

It's Monday morning, he's drinking his coffee with a couple of colleagues trying to figure out the week's planning when his boss pops in. "Congratulations for your promotion!".
"What promotion? "
"Well, I was reading twitter, NeoGAF, IGN and any known gaming website and it looks like your running the PR team now"
"Well I can explain that..."
"In your resignation letter? Absolutly! Can't wait to read it in Kotaku!"

This is Canada, that's not how it works up here.

 

[MiKeD]

Now that guy has got my respect. Not fucking about, nice.

 

[Monomythian]

At this rate, GAF is going to need an entire sub forum just for WII U doom threads.

 

[PhantomR]

I'd promote him instead of firing him. If more people were as brave as him and stood up against Nintendo's tyranny, the industry would be in a much better shape than it is now.

WOW. Unbelievable. Really?



Really?





This is beyond sad. The sooner we can get away from the angry gamer trend, the better.

 

[EDarkness]

One merciful step closer to twitter being banned for enployee usage by gaming corporations.

Actually, it's not just Twitter. It's this rampant fanboy stuff that has to stop. The industry is infected with it. Twitter just gives them an avenue to let it show.

 

[Call Me Maybe]

I'm not sure about "highly unsustainable" because they are following the same trends that most other mega-publishers are following.

And they are all crashing and burning; downsizing, closure of studios, outright bankruptcy, it's happening everywhere. The shift towards so called 'AAA' development is really harmful for the industry, as the investments required are MASSIVE, but the returns are never guaranteed, and almost too high to be attainable.
EA more than any other publisher follows this format; that is why EA's model more than any other publisher's, is unsustainable.