EA Sports Engineer: Wii U is crap, < powerful than 360. No $ 3party. [Tweets Deleted]

Relaxed Muscle said:
Are we talking about the same company of games like The Sims and Sim City?. Are you forgetting Popcap games? and their whole mobile games?

What you are saying is not acording with the actual market. 3DS won't get the same numbers as DS and mobile gaming is becoming a real problem. Wii U is losing money like 3DS had to lose money too for months. You're talking about other times. Is not the same situation anymore as years ago. Yeah, they had a lot of money in the bank, dosn't mean that with the changes of the market is sustainable anymore.

I mean their whole model remains in the sole idea of:"Will this console sell enough?". Once it dosn't sell their whole model shakes.
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The Sims does well and appeals to the casual audience, but SimCity did nothing like the numbers that it used to, did it? That entire always online debacle. We'll see how The Sims 4 does.
I have no idea about their mobile games, so I will take your word there.

3DS won't do the same numbers as DS did- nothing will- but that doesn't mean it's not profitable. It sells 50 million at a hefty profit, with a healthy software attach ratio, and Nintendo is happy. Wii U, Wii U will probably end in the same ballpark as Gamecube numbers which is abysmal, but as long as it does not actively make them a loss- which it isn't, even now, a Wii U is profitable with just one game sold- Nintendo doesn't care, does it? Yes, it's a contraction of their business, but market realities also need to be considered.
 
Tookay said:
The fuck?

What is far-fetched about what I'm saying?

EA is routinely criticized for its anti-consumer practices, from always online to Project $10 DLC plans.

I'm not talking about a conspiracy, I'm talking about their corporate subculture and how it's arguably worse than the supposedly "tyrannical" Nintendo.

You're reaching if you're trying to call me a hypocrite. Do you even know what you're arguing about anymore?
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You know what criticism is? It's a fabricated opinion, it holds no water if you don't want it to. You can chose to believe it, or not believe it. Just like you can choose to believe Nintendo is not doing well.

I'm not reaching shit, why did you interrupt me to tell me about your opinion of EA, when I was directing my conversation towards two-words mcgee who often says a few words in a chauvinistic manner, and doesn't elaborate?

I had no beef with you until you pulled your opinion, and then stated it was the truth.
You're talking about their cultural subculture, do you work there? Or is this solely on baseless rumors? You're an outsider if you are not part of their subculture. (Becker, 1963) You provide me with little information, and you expect me to believe what you're trotting around?

I'm all for 'what if?' Gaf, but this info, why do I care?
I only care for the guy who spoke out, and will have his tongue cut, we shouldn't allow this in the gaming community.
Honesty should be taken into consideration, you shouldn't be punished for it.

Back again to original premise: You're either indifferent, outspoken, or scared when you voice your opinion.

State the facts, I want all the dirt.
 
Taurus said:
Did you play PES and FIFA on Wii? It really was.
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Ah, you're going by the Wii versions.
Let's compare the lead FIFA version to the lead PES version, and see which one comes out on top. It's not a competition, it's a massacre.

PhantomR said:
PES not having the FIFA license is a real blow. But from a gameplay aspect, I'd say they're equal. And I've noticed that some of the gameplay ideas that EA has been implementing into FIFA came from PES years ago.
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The lack of the license hurts, but FIFA just has so much more content, it's insane. FIFA has evolved, PES has stagnated.
 
Schnozberry said:
What about it would make it difficult to get running on Wii U?
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Willingness. Wii U has been out for a while and there hasn't been a single game released or announced, even before it's release.

Correct me if i'm wrong, I have no idea if there are any Konami games on the Wii U, but I really can't think of any atm.
 
What caused this thread to explo...

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Uncle Rupee said:
You know, instead of calling for this guy to be fired, we should all take pity on this EA Software Engineer.

Think about it.

Imagine spending 12 years of your life working on something that, within just a couple of years, will get tossed into the discount bargain bin of obsolescence.

When game collectors rifle through old bins full of cartridges or dvd cases, they're always frustrated to find dozens of copies of old sports titles. Nobody gives a shit about old sports titles.

They're looking for the games that have stood the test of time. EA games don't do that - their success is almost entirely predicated on a monopoly of sports licenses and annual releases with the latest rosters and MVP on the cover.
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I honestly don't know why EA hasn't offered a subscription to its yearly franchises. Sort of like an MMO but with roster updates, frequent patches and new features, etc. Microsoft is heading that route with its Office suite - seems eventual with a yearly sports release that seems more a reskinning of the same content, year after year.
 
Carpe Diem said:
All Nintendo needs to do is secure PES support. They need NOTHING from EA. PES is much better than FIFA all the same.
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PES was never a huge seller on Wii. Even without competition it will do average numbers on Wii U.

Forget your opinion on both games. When it comes to public opinion, FIFA is the more popular game. Wii U owners who want to play FIFA 14 will just move to hardware which allows them to play it.
 
Twitter really is never-ending entertainment! I can't believe how much people put their guards down there.... Even if he is spot on about the state of Nintendo, it's simply madness to post those comments!
 
Blah, this is the side of GAF i hate. Leave the fucking guy alone. Now the rest of the internet is going after him. He gave his opinion on a damn video game console.

And since a bulk of 3rd parties are jumping ship, I bet his opinion is very popular.
 
SMT said:
You know what criticism is? It's a fabricated opinion, it holds no water if you don't want it to. You can chose to believe it, or not believe it. Just like you can choose to believe Nintendo is not doing well.

I'm not reaching shit, why did you interrupt me to tell me about your opinion about EA, when I was directing my conversation towards two-words mcgee who often says a few words in a chauvinistic manner, and doesn't elaborate?

I had no beef with you until you pulled your opinion and then stated it was the truth.
You're talking about their cultural subculture, do you work there? Or is this solely on baseless rumors? You provide me with little information, and you expect me to believe what you're trotting around?

State the facts, I want all the dirt.
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I don't know what you're talking about.

I don't work there, but I shouldn't have to; I know their culture from friends in the industry (including EA) and from reading interviews with their CEOs and other managers.

Google the Sim City fiasco. The Origin scanning problems. The DLC plans (Project Ten Dollar) and cutting content out of games. You want facts and dirt, live on this forum for a week. You'll learn plenty.

You asked someone to explain why he called another poster insane for calling Nintendo tyrannical. It's pretty obvious, because Nintendo isn't anything close to tyrannical and especially NOT in comparison to EA, the company employing the person the original post was defending.

Hence, why you are being dense.
 
Killing_Joke said:
Blah, this is the side of GAF i hate. Leave the fucking guy alone. Now the rest of the internet is going after him. He gave his opinion on a damn video game console.

And since a bulk of 3rd parties are jumping ship, I bet his opinion is very popular.
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You're about 40 pages and 20 major gaming sites too late on this one my friend.
 
What if Nintendo somehow got hands on Frostbite engine... and got it running and presented it in their ND. Could EA sue them?
 
kobashi100 said:
PES was never a huge seller on Wii.
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It was.

What Nintendo needs to do in order to counter EA. Now it's clear both companies are enemies.

Call Konami, support PES.
Call 2K, support all their sports line-up and help them to get the NFL franchise back. Support the Spec Ops franchise as response to BF.
Call Activision, heavily support the COD franchise as answer to BF.
Call Capcom, support the RE franchise as answer to Dead Space.
Call Codemasters, support their racing games.

They don't need EA. They have alternatives.
 
EmCeeGramr said:
They wouldn't be in a great position, but they wouldn't be anywhere near Sega levels. What people on the Internet were saying in 2005 hardly matters anyway. Fighting games and 2D platformers were a dead genre, PC gaming was dying out, the PS3 was going to rock the Xbox 180 with real next-gen graphics, and Nintendo's toy wand would doom them.
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You are right in that it's all speculation. But I think people need to quit looking at cash reserves and quoting numbers and realize that Nintendo hasn't released a universally loved console since the early nineties, the SNES.

The Wii was all but a fluke in what's been a run of bad consoles. N64...flop...Gamecube...flop....Wii...fluke success....WiiU....currently flop but full story hasn't been told yet.

The handheld sector has been good to Nintendo, and for good reason, they make good handheld hardware that is generally supported by good games. But with the mobile phone and tablet sector starting to cannibalize it, how much longer can that be a viable market?

Keep in mind I'm not calling the hardware itself a flop, I'm just talking about sales relative to the competition. At a point the sales reach a level where they are so low that high profit margins on old hardware can't make up for low sales.
 
As someone who's played games since Pong, it's hard to take someone calling next generation "gen 4" seriously.

Amazing thread though. So is he fired?
 
Relaxed Muscle said:
If I was EA I'll sue them...because something so stupid must be a crime.
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Well Im sure Nintendo could have a debug version of a game running on frostbite somewhere, from the the "unprecedented partnership" was still happening. Afterall the companies had to communicate between for help with devkits.
 
TreasureHunterG said:
It was.

What Nintendo needs to do in order to counter EA. Now it's clear both companies are enemies.

Call Konami, support PES.
Call 2K, support all their sports line-up and help them to get the NFL franchise back. Support the Spec Ops franchise as response to BF.
Call Activision, heavily support the COD franchise as answer to BF.
Call Capcom, support the RE franchise as answer to Dead Space.
Call Codemasters, support their racing games.

They don't need EA. They have alternatives.
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none of this will ever happen.
 
Tookay said:
I don't know what you're talking about.

I don't work there, but I shouldn't have to; I know their culture from friends in the industry (including EA) and from reading interviews with their CEOs and other managers.

Google the Sim City fiasco. The Origin scanning problems. The DLC plans (Project Ten Dollar) and cutting content out of games. You want facts and dirt, live on this forum for a week. You'll learn plenty.

You asked someone to explain why he called another poster insane for calling Nintendo tyrannical. It's pretty obvious, because Nintendo isn't anything close to tyrannical and especially NOT in comparison to EA, the company employing the person the original post was defending.

Hence, why you are being dense.
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You got it all wrong, I asked the poster why the engineer (or anyone else) who spoke out was afflicted with mental health issues. If you don't speak out, then you are afraid. But afraid of what? You are afraid that you may lose your job to your tyrannical employer, didn't you just say EA was terrible? I REST MY CASE.

You proved my point. Sure the other guy was stretching it, Nintendo isn't going to get him fired with their powers. (maybe) But you live in a society that favours freedom of speech, why should EA engineer live in fear for being honest?

Read my post twice, let it sink in. Then, revise your statement.
Then after that, I will tell you that to truly understand a subculture, you must be part of it.

You are not part of E
 
Nilaul said:
Well Im sure Nintendo could have a debug version of a game running on frostbite somewhere, from the the "unprecedented partnership" was still happening. Afterall the companies had to communicate between for help with devkits.
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I really doubt there was even a debug version of a FB game. EA said that all they did were some basic test. It was all internal, Nintendo never got the hands of that.
 
Call Me Maybe said:
What does this mean?
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Demonstrating that the frostbite engine runs on WiiU in their Nintendo direct. They could have a copy of a game running on it from the "unprecedented" partnership times.

It would be litterally saying "Hello world, this is EA, and this is their Engine. EA is full of bullshit"
 
SMT said:
You got it all wrong, I asked the poster why the engineer (or anyone else) who spoke out was afflicted with mental health issues. If you don't speak out, then you are afraid. But afraid of what? You are afraid that you may lose your job to your tyrannical employer, didn't you just say EA was terrible? I REST MY CASE.
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No, what he said is entirely correct. You called me out for something I very clearly didn't mean. It should be clear that I was saying he was insane for calling Nintendo tyrannical, and nobody else had any problems understanding that.
 
OrangeJulius said:
You are right in that it's all speculation. But I think people need to quit looking at cash reserves and quoting numbers and realize that Nintendo hasn't released a universally loved console since the early nineties, the SNES.
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This is a unreliable metric.

The SNES was also subject to scrutiny/fanboyism and existed in a world where internet discussion wasn't prevalent.
 
planetsmasherx1 said:
Nintendo - a company from the 1800s will play the smart, long game. This guy is a flash in the pan in comparison.
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That statement is sort of disingenuous when you realize the Nintendo company we know of today as a gaming giant has only existed as such since the 80's. What they did in the 1800's up until the 1980's doesn't really count for much.
 
Relaxed Muscle said:
I really doubt there was even a debug version of a FB game. EA said that all they did were some basic test. It was all internal, Nintendo never got the hands of that.
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No but let just say it had happened (even if its not going to happen). Could EA sue for damaging their reputation or some crap like that?
 
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