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[Dave Meltzer]

If you are a company and everyone on Miiverse is telling people not to buy your game or if your game has very few posts you probably should care.

"I don't care what customers and potential customers think of my products."

K. Sounds like brilliant business strategy.

Anybody who actively uses Miiverse is about as relevant as message board posters. Vocal minority.

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If the game had got good review scores at launch, you'd say it's success was due to the critical reception. it didn't get that, which means it's success was down to advertising.

 

[Principate]

I know, but my point is that those franchises are already successful on other platforms. It will cost developers to port those titles, and selling to the existing WiiU marketshare likely isn't worth the investment. So short of Nintendo providing actual resources to third parties it is a moot point.

Nintendo's best case scenario is basically 3DS mark two, balls to walls holiday price cut and Nintendo holiday bump, then get as much Japanese support post Christmas and port it over with key first party titles.

Only way I can see this going not completely horribly

 

[OrangeJulius]

You said graphics > gameplay since the beginning of times. You said it.

From a hardcore gamer perspective, it is stupidly important. If it wasn't then why would we ever get new consoles at all? Can you honestly answer that?

After all, why waste the money and resources on new hardware, marketing said hardware and everything else that goes with a new console launch if graphics aren't important. The 360 and PS3 already have online functionality and everything else a modern console needs. All that people bitch about anymore is graphics.

Are you denying that?

 

[DemonNite]

The End
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW1CoCPX-jc

 

[knighthonor]

Wii U owners should boycott EA games until they issue an apology.

Boycott games your system doesn't even have.

Lol I caught that joke. Clever.

 

[Grief.exe]

He actually said only Mario and Zelda make money on Nintendo systems...hmmm...

A lot of developers put out bad games or games with no market, they don't sell, then instead of analyzing why they didn't sell they just shrug and blame Mario. Then, because they're convinced that only Mario sells, when they do make games they just mail them in.

Maybe this was one of the guys who thought Facebreaker was going to create a new EA Sports Casual and had his dreams crushed.

Ubisoft to some degree has Nintendo systems figured out - make high quality games and games people want to play. ZombiU probably sold more than every EA game combined.

Sounds like exactly like when EA released Medal of Honor Warfighter or the Old Republic.

They release horrible games, then blame the market.

 

[Brera]

I never, ever, imagined I would ever agree with Brera on anything Nintendo. But this is honestly true. NOA dropped the ball pretty hard circa 2010 till now.


I can't even.... Me, agreeing with you, Just....the hell?

I'm not the poster GAF deserves but I'm the poster GAF needs right now.

Deep down, you always knew I was right, you were just too scared.

The n64 would have suffered the same fate as the WiiU but there was one major difference. NOA had a competent leader. If EA fucked with Nintendo like they are right now, he would be calling up the chumps and demanding they pay him a visit.

NOA made the N64 a success when NCL were struggling...just like they always do!

 

[Rehynn]

The problem is you think it's an argument. I'm taking issue with all these people that are equating past success with future success.

What Nintendo has done in the past 5-8 years or so is clearly not working right now. Whether it's lack of software, poor marketing, crappy console name that sounds like a accessory to most casuals.

You all keep quoting sales numbers and the usual defense force tactics when that isn't the root of what I'm saying. If you can't discern what I'm saying when I just spelled it out for you in the first two sentences of this post then that is your problem.

Because sales numbers are actually objective data, as opposed to personal taste and opinion?

And don't start with the "defense force" bullshit, you said it's always been about graphics, and we gave you software and hardware sales as evidence to the contrary.

No one said graphics are not important, but they'll only get you so far. The REALLY (again, I'm talking about 2D Mario, CoD, GTA, Sims...) big sellers were always about the gameplay.

 

[Calamari41]

If the game had got good review scores at launch, you'd say it's success was due to the critical reception. it didn't get that, which means it's success was down to advertising.

ZombiU had very good word of mouth. I never once saw any lick of advertising for it.

You all keep quoting sales numbers

Because they show that your argument is bullshit

 

[MagiusNecros]

From a hardcore gamer perspective, it is stupidly important. If it wasn't then why would we ever get new consoles at all? Can you honestly answer that?

From my hardcore gamer perspective I think execution of new innovative concepts and idea's and if it is enjoyable to play is more important.

Which like any perspective is entirely subjective upon every individual.

 

[TreasureHunterG]

I know, but my point is that those franchises are already successful on other platforms. It will cost developers to port those titles, and selling to the existing WiiU marketshare likely isn't worth the investment. So short of Nintendo providing actual resources to third parties it is a moot point.

If they're supporting PS4 and Xbox Next with ZERO installed based and no guarantee it will sell truckloads, why wouldn't they support the Wii U? Your argument don't hold water.

 

[RM8]

From a hardcore gamer perspective, it is stupidly important. If it wasn't then why would we ever get new consoles at all? Can you honestly answer that?

From "a hardcore gamer perspective"? Oh man, you're contradicting yourself so hard. You just said only a few people (including yourself) care about gameplay and it's a niche thing. Now that's not the case, no, now only hardcore gamers care about graphics :/ Wow.

We get new systems because systems stop selling at some point, and companies get A TON of money from making consoles.

 

[jello44]

The End
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW1CoCPX-jc

God damn, this thread is delivering in spades.

 

[Taurus]

Boycott games your system doesn't even have.

Lol I caught that joke. Clever.

I'm a multiconsole owner and won't be buying EA games anymore. There's so much other stuff to play and the industry doesn't need people like this.

 

[Rehynn]

From a hardcore gamer perspective, it is stupidly important. If it wasn't then why would we ever get new consoles at all? Can you honestly answer that?

After all, why waste the money and resources on new hardware, marketing said hardware and everything else that goes with a new console launch if graphics aren't important. The 360 and PS3 already have online functionality and everything else a modern console needs. All that people bitch about anymore is graphics.

Are you denying that?

But you weren't talking about the hardcore:

People aged 10-34 want shiny pretty graphics. This bourgeois gameplay stuff is only for snobs on the internet. People like you and me. But guess what, we aren't the focus groups.

 

[Card Boy]

The End
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW1CoCPX-jc

wow.

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[Chris R]

Nobody posted this here yet? SunhiLegend created another crazy gif.

Holy shit that was good

 

[OrangeJulius]

From "a hardcore gamer perspective"? Oh man, you're contradicting yourself so hard. You just said only a few people (including yourself) care about gameplay and it's a niche thing. Now that's not the case, no, now only hardcore gamers care about graphics :/ Wow.

What??? How am I contradicting myself? The hardcore market, that is to say, the majority market care more about graphics than gameplay. Why else do we get new consoles when the ones we have work great?

 

[MagiusNecros]

Why else do we get new consoles when the ones we have work great?

Games. Preferably new ones.

 

[lexi]

The End
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW1CoCPX-jc

I LOST it when I saw it was Reggie pushing it.

 

[ASIS]

From a hardcore gamer perspective, it is stupidly important. If it wasn't then why would we ever get new consoles at all? Can you honestly answer that?

Depends on what you mean. If by power, yes you are right. But the fact that it looks "shinier" has rarely been a major reason to upgrade. Hype on internet forums is one thing, actually buying and enjoying the game is another.


What people look for in new consoles is not better graphics, but new, improved opportunities and ways to explore and experience this medium. Power is probably the easiest way to achieve that. But it's not the only way.

This is why Wii was such a success, why DS was such a success, and why Gamegear and Vita are lagging behind.

Wii U does have better graphical capabilities than any other console in the market currently, but that means nothing since very select few actually see this console and think of untapped potential. I want to love this console, I just can't.

 

[OrangeJulius]

But the current consoles make fine games do they not? What is wrong with them?

 

[RM8]

What??? How am I contradicting myself? The hardcore market, that is to say, the majority market

I wish I was better at reaction GIFs.

 

[Calamari41]

What??? How am I contradicting myself? The hardcore market, that is to say, the majority market care more about graphics than gameplay. Why else do we get new consoles when the ones we have work great?

Rehynn pointed out how you contradicted yourself a few posts before this one. Post #2215. Read it.

 

[Wickerbasket]

If they're supporting PS4 and Xbox Next with ZERO installed based and no guarantee it will sell truckloads, why wouldn't they support the Wii U? Your argument don't hold water.

Because Wii U owners have already shown they won't buy their games. The next gen consoles haven't been tested yet.

Plus the fact that the xbox audience have traditionally bought a lot of third party games at launch.

 

[OrangeJulius]

Rehynn pointed out how you contradicted yourself a few posts before this one. Read it.

No, I'd like you to explain it rather than hiding behind another poster.

 

[Outtrigger888]

The End
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW1CoCPX-jc

I have to admit, that was good, lol.

 

[Nekofrog]

I LOST it when I saw it was Reggie pushing it.

Look for Iwata supervising.

 

[Mass Effect]

This whole thread is brilliant and amazing, a gold mine I tell you.

 

[Projectjustice]

The problem is you think it's an argument. I'm taking issue with all these people that are equating past success with future success.

What Nintendo has done in the past 5-8 years or so is clearly not working right now. Whether it's lack of software, poor marketing, crappy console name that sounds like a accessory to most casuals.

You all keep quoting sales numbers and the usual defense force tactics when that isn't the root of what I'm saying. If you can't discern what I'm saying when I just spelled it out for you in the first two sentences of this post then that is your problem.

You said graphics are more important then gameplay and thats what the entire industry is about. Yet countless of posters have giving up great example proving that you are wrong. You are just moving the goalpost around to help your points. Continue though, you are pretty funny.

 

[lexi]

Look for Iwata supervising.

OH SHIT AHAHAH

 

[mysteriousmage09]

The End
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW1CoCPX-jc

:dead.

 

[ASIS]

But the current consoles make fine games do they not? What is wrong with them?

Is this post directed at me? If so then there's nothing wrong with the consoles we have now, but technology today allows them to go at greater lengths than what we have now.

 

[OrangeJulius]

You said graphics are more important then gameplay and thats what the entire industry is about. Yet countless of posters have giving up great example proving that you are wrong. You are just moving the goalpost around to help your points. Continue though, you are pretty funny.

Nobody can prove a subjective opinion wrong smart guy, it's an opinion.

 

[Margalis]

Anybody who actively uses Miiverse is about as relevant as message board posters. Vocal minority.

Miiverse posts correspond almost directly to sales. It's a better indicator of sales than Metacritic.

If the game had got good review scores at launch, you'd say it's success was due to the critical reception. it didn't get that, which means it's success was down to advertising.

Lol. It seems like you fundamentally don't understand business and why some products sell while others don't. Apparently market appeal is totally irrelevant.

 

[dragonfart28]

If the game had got good review scores at launch, you'd say it's success was due to the critical reception. it didn't get that, which means it's success was down to advertising.

You were talking about quality not success.

Which is ultimately subjective anyway.

 

[Calamari41]

No, I'd like you to explain it rather than hiding behind another poster.

Whoa dude, I'm not the one you're "calling out." I just noticed that you ignored somebody who explained it to you. It was somebody else who accused you of contradicting yourself. You even quoted them.

Do you even look at the names of the posters you're responding to?

 

[Mileena]

Miiverse posts correspond almost directly to sales. It's a better indicator of sales than Metacritic.

what is this

 

[OrangeJulius]

Whoa dude, I'm not the one you're "calling out." I just noticed that you ignored somebody who explained it to you. It was somebody else who accused you of contradicting yourself. You even quoted them.

Do you even look at the names of the posters you're responding to?

I have like eight posters piling on me right now. Apparently I've become the junior to kick around in this thread, so no, at this point I don't know who I'm responding too.

Don't jump in the argument unless you have something to add. If you want me to respond to you than post something for me. Don't refer to others, that's weak.

 

[Rehynn]

I wish I was better at reaction GIFs.

Do we have one with goalposts flying around?

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

THE GIFS

OH LAWD THE GIFS!

 

[ASIS]

Nobody can prove a subjective opinion wrong smart guy, it's an opinion.

Actually, you can. Preference is indisputable, that's true. But forming an opinionated argument can be very, very wrong if you're logic in it is inconsistent. Not saying there's anything wrong with your logic, but you can't hide behind "opinion" barrier and expect people to let you be. You got your thoughts out, then others have the right to challenge it.

 

[Kai Dracon]

The ultimate for the crate gif would be if the sequence looped again only it's Iwata nailing Reggie in a bigger box and pushing him off.

 

[SteelYoshi]

I would like to point something out, microsoft and sony ended up incuring huge losses on both the xbox and ps3. yet nintendo made heaps of profit on the wii. If nintendo went with an console on par with sony and microsoft instead of the wii u, its very likely they would incur huge losses. I just don't think nintendo can handle losses like that.

 

[Calamari41]

I have like eight posters piling on me right now. Apparently I've become the junior to kick around in this thread, so no, at this point I don't know who I'm responding too.

Don't jump in the argument unless you have something to add. If you want me to respond to you than post something for me. Don't refer to others, that's weak.

You are an awful poster. That's why everybody is piling on you. I'm not jumping into an argument. I'm pointing you to a post that already answered your question. If you are too proud (?) to go read it, I can always copy and paste it for you.

 

[TreasureHunterG]

Because Wii U owners have already shown they won't buy their games. The next gen consoles haven't been tested yet.

Plus the fact that the xbox audience have traditionally bought a lot of third party games at launch.

And they'll keep not buying if third-parties don't bring new games and Nintendo don't change their strategy toward third-parties allowing a situation where it's userbase buys third-party games.

The only way to change this is Nintendo going after third-parties asking them for better support and helping them to promote their games. People can say now it's not a "wise" investment for third-parties considering Wii U's current situation, but it's the only alternative for Nintendo in order to offer a favorable ecosystem for third-party games.

 

[SniperHunter]

The End
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW1CoCPX-jc

lol

 

[Rehynn]

I have like eight posters piling on me right now. Apparently I've become the junior to kick around in this thread, so no, at this point I don't know who I'm responding too.

Don't jump in the argument unless you have something to add. If you want me to respond to you than post something for me. Don't refer to others, that's weak.

He's talking about this post.

First you said the philosophy of "gameplay > graphics" is only important to a minorty: the "burgeois [lol]" hardcore guys like us. Then you said that we need better graphics because of the hardcore. Then you said the hardcore is actually the majority.

And no, no one's kicking you around because you're a junior. We're giving you a hard time because you contradict yourself, move the goalposts, and act like sales data (= objective facts) means nothing.

 

[OrangeJulius]

Actually, you can. Preference is indisputable, that's true. But forming an opinionated argument can be very, very wrong if you're logic in it is inconsistent. Not saying there's anything wrong with your logic, but you can't hide behind "opinion" barrier and expect people to let you be. You got your thoughts out, then others have the right to challenge it.

Point out inconsistencies in my logic then. And don't say that "other posters already have go back and read"

I want your own thoughts, not a pile on garbage fest.

I believe the WiiU will fail, because it focuses on a gimmick controller, has no software or marketing support and It will soon be overshadowed by xbox720 and ps4. It will be swept under the rug quietly after about 3 years or so. That is my opinion.

Where are the inconsistencies in my logic?

 

[Quasar]

I don't really know why anything he says regarding the Wii U should matter. EA isn't supporting it. There conversation over.

And frankly I don't get the upset. He's one guy speaking personally. He's not the official spokesman for anything.