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[Starphoenix]

I think it's a little of both delusion and spite. Delusion that the Wii U could actually sell so terribly that $400+ consoles will sell significantly better than one with Mario and coming off the heels of the Wii. Spite because they just don't want to be proven wrong by those folks who have said from day one that the Wii U will fail.

The problem is markets (at least how I see it). Sony and Microsoft know exactly who to target and how to target them. Nintendo hasn't figured that out yet. The Wii U is like an amoeba floating in a pool aimlessly without any kind of direction what so ever. It isn't as though the Wii U couldn't have performed better than it has now, but I really honestly and truly believe Nintendo's approach to marketing this system cost them dearly. They, allegedly, made a calculated to push this hardware out early so as to get it into the market sooner, and are paying for it. There are many different "what if" scenario's one could go into but the situation is what it is. Right now the thing Nintendo needs to do is clearly define what they are going to be doing for the next twelve months. Right now they need to secure their own base, and then start working on bringing the rest in.

Ultimately I don't think there will be any changes until next year after Iwata resigns.

 

[Pristine_Condition]

Today is just a giant circle wank for Nintendo haters.

And yet here you are, firing right out of the gate using insulting language that will only alienate the people you are trying to convince?

Oh, but you aren't really trying to convince anybody are you? After all, if you were, you wouldn't be so insulting.

So you are probably "preaching to the choir" with this post, at the same time you crudely insult others because you perceive them doing the same thing.

I look forward to the day that they not only realize that after the first few million Next gen console sales of their favorite company, it will be the same, but probably worse due to price.

I'm confused by what you are suggesting.

By "it will be the same" are you suggesting that the NextBox and PS4 will be losing major third-party support, with at least one of the major publishers seemingly "pulling the plug" after NextBox or PS4 sell the first few million units?

Of course by then, the Wii U will likely be even more affordable, and finally have games. Just like the 3DS before it.

Last I checked, 3DS did have pretty good third-party support, so if the Wii U is going to be "just like the 3DS," Nintendo's going to have to make some changes for this to come true, because the trend line is certainly pointing in the wrong direction right now.

Where's the Vita by the way? Oh yeah, still like crap after almost 2 years.

We're talking about the Vita in this thread? Oh, shit...I thought this was an Ouya thread.

Oh well, carry on.

 

[benao]

Jesus, this is just overkill at this point.

Certainly, the guy deleted the tweets, and we will probably never know if he got fired.

But, EA and Nintendo seem to draw all the passion of the gaming community, and when gamers get emotional, ....arguments and sensibility do not matter.

 

[Camp Lo]

The problem is markets (at least how I see it). Sony and Microsoft know exactly who to target and how to target them. Nintendo hasn't figured that out yet. The Wii U is like an amoeba floating in a pool aimlessly without any kind of direction what so ever. It isn't as though the Wii U couldn't have performed better than it has now, but I really honestly and truly believe Nintendo's approach to marketing this system cost them dearly. They, allegedly, made a calculated to push this hardware out early so as to get it into the market sooner, and are paying for it. There are many different "what if" scenario's one could go into but the situation is what it is. Right now the thing Nintendo needs to do is clearly define what they are going to be doing for the next twelve months. Right now they need to secure their own base, and then start working on bringing the rest in.

Ultimately I don't think there will be any changes until next year after Iwata resigns.

I still don't believe it's iwata holding them back. Yamucha definitely has a lot to do with the direction if his company even if he's not in that position anymore.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

My god that is just embarrassing.

It really really is.

A complete and total misinterpretation of market wants and the price sensitivity in play with Nintendo hardware. Especially hardware that does not have a compelling hook. Or defining software.

Just a huge misstep, from branding to pricing to marketing to game priority. In order from least important to most.

Ultimately I don't think there will be any changes until next year after Iwata resigns.

Unless Nintendo corporate management has completely changed in the last couple of years I really do think Iwata is safe through this generation.

Yamauchi was in charge of Nintendo through three consecutive generations of market loss. Culminating in the 21 million unit selling GCN. The first console under Iwata's direction has sold almost 30 million units more than Nintendo's last highest selling console. Along with the first handheld under his direction selling 150+ million units.

If WiiU ends up being at GCN levels or worse (which I find unlikely) and 3DS continues on it's path to Western mediocrity I can see it happening, but we're still talking like four years.

 

[?oe?oe]

Just a huge misstep, from branding to pricing to marketing to game priority. In order from least important to most.

I cringe when people misuse the word 'marketing' and GAF does it a lot. Branding, pricing and game priority are all part of marketing.

 

[OrangeJulius]

It really really is.

A complete and total misinterpretation of market wants and the price sensitivity in play with Nintendo hardware. Especially hardware that does not have a compelling hook. Or defining software.

Just a huge misstep, from branding to pricing to marketing to game priority. In order from least important to most.

But in all truth, none of the marketing hooplah or price would even matter if they just had what matters most to a video game console.....video games.

Hell, they could price it higher and people would still buy it as long as it had a litany of great games to play.

If it's one thing that America has proven it will pay in droves for it's consumer electronics that entertain them.

The problem with the both the Wii and WiiU is there just isn't any freakin' games. Nobody wants to drop $300 on a shiny paperweight. But a shiny paperweight that plays fuck awesome games, that's another story.

 

[Starphoenix]

I still don't believe it's iwata holding them back. Yamucha definitely has a lot to do with the direction if his company even if he's not in that position anymore.

You're right, I think it is the entire executive level management of Nintendo, but the ball won't start rolling until the top of the pyramid goes down. For better or for worse that is the way it goes. I don't think Iwata will leave the company, as he'll probably find NOA his permanent home, but as a global CEO he'll probably be replaced this time next year. The big question is: who replaces him? If it is anyone from said group of management, then any change is just a changing of one taskmaster (for lack of a better example) for another. You're changing the face without any substance.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

I cringe when people misuse the word 'marketing' and GAF does it a lot. Branding, pricing and game priority are all part of marketing.

True.

But generally when someone uses the term they are mainly meaning print, television, or internet ads.

But in all truth, none of the marketing hooplah or price would even matter if they just had what matters most to a video game console.....video games.

Hell, they could price it higher and people would still buy it as long as it had a litany of great games to play.

If it's one thing that America has proven it will pay in droves for it's consumer electronics that entertain them.

The problem with the both the Wii and WiiU is there just isn't any freakin' games. Nobody wants to drop $300 on a shiny paperweight. But a shiny paperweight that plays fuck awesome games, that's another story.

I agree with this point to a degree.

But I really do think Nintendo consoles have a price barrier that's a little more constricting than that allotted to Sony and MS. I think Wii was close to it, but still within reasonable range because of the phenom of Wii Sports. WiiU doesn't have that making $50-$100 more too high a price for something that will be used for Nintendo games or the occasional casual oriented party title.

 

[Freezie KO]

NeoGAF is an outlet for angry little gamers. When they like your work they'll carry you through the streets like any diehard gamer would, but the second you say a dumb quote or release a product they don't like, they'll be the first to tar and feather you.

 

[Camp Lo]

NeoGAF is an outlet for angry little gamers. When they like your work they'll carry you through the streets like any diehard gamer would, but the second you say a dumb quote or release a product they don't like, they'll be the first to tar and feather you.

Hyped for that mockumentary, huh?

 

[OrangeJulius]

True.

But generally when someone uses the term they are mainly meaning print, television, or internet ads.

I agree with this point to a degree.

But I really do think Nintendo consoles have a price barrier that's a little more constricting than that allotted to Sony and MS. I think Wii was close to it, but still within reasonable range because of the phenom of Wii Sports. WiiU doesn't have that making $50-$100 more too high a price for something that will be used for Nintendo games or the occasional casual oriented party title.

Nintendo pigeonholing themselves as "that video game console that grandmas buy to entertain their grand kids when they come over" has definitely hurt them as far as how they can price their consoles, I agree.

Granny doesn't want to drop $300 bones to watch their grand kids play wii sports when then can go outside and throw a nerf ball for $5.

 

[DICKS AHOY]

My god that is just embarrassing.

hey have YOU ever sold that many units of a video game console

didn't think so

Hyped for that mockumentary, huh?

PFfft ahahaha, that first line of his post is literally the same wording Dyack used to describe us from the doc's teaser trailer. That's got to be intentional.

 

[Kareha]

Why all the fighting over things that, at the end of the day, don't really matter. Go play games on your PC/console/other devices.

 

[Skyzard]

Nintendo pigeonholing themselves as "that video game console that grandmas buy to entertain their grand kids when they come over" has definitely hurt them as far as how they can price their consoles, I agree.

Granny doesn't want to drop $300 bones to watch their grand kids play wii sports when then can go outside and throw a nerf ball for $5.

Also Sony have started to advertise to grandparents...and families with the PS3 too.

Makes for a pretty good family device - similar price, bluray support, large back catologue of cheap games, still new games coming out, quite significant ones like GT, Last of US, CoD, Fifa etc. Nintendo needs to REALLY push Mario and drop the price like crazy in a few months.

 

[?oe?oe]

True.

But generally when someone uses the term they are mainly meaning print, television, or internet ads.

That's called advertising, which is a tiny part of marketing.

Generally, most people are wrong.

 

[seady]

I sincerely hope this guy get fired and never find a job in this industry. This is my opinion as well just like his. Amen.

 

[OrangeJulius]

Also Sony have been advertising to grandparents...and families with the PS3 too.

Makes for a pretty good family device - same price, bluray support, large back catologue of cheap games, still new games coming out, quite significant ones like GT, Last of US, CoD, Fifa etc. Nintendo needs to REALLY push Mario and drop the price like crazy in a few months.

Yes but there is a difference between trying to market to different groups and being known for appealing mainly to one group. Sony markets the PS3 as a do all device, but at it's core it's a gaming machine and everyone knows that.

Nintendo used to have that rep too, but the Wii changed that. Now they are that casual device that people get to play bowling with their kids and watch them play Mario on.

To the general population, Nintendo = Casual

That's not where you want to be when you have the behemoth that is phone and tablet gaming eating up that market like it's nobodies business. Nintendo can't compete with the portability and pick up and play for five minutes and drop it nature of phone and tablet gaming.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

I sincerely hope this guy get fired and never find a job in this industry. This is my opinion as well just like his. Amen.

And I hope you get banned for holding such a disgusting opinion. It's ridiculous to wish unemployment upon someone just because you disagree with his statement. Disgusting.
He didn't hurt anyone. He didn't harm you or anyone on this forum in any way shape or form. If EA wants to fire him for harming their brand, that is up to EA. For you to actually
wish this upon him is just pathetic.

 

[CambriaRising]

I sincerely hope this guy get fired and never find a job in this industry. This is my opinion as well just like his. Amen.

Thanks for spreading the false implication that all Gaf posters do is witch hunt whenever someone says something stupid. No, seriously. Thanks.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

That's called advertising, which is a tiny part of marketing.

Generally, most people are wrong.

Everyone is wrong pretty much 100% of the time.

 

[Laughing Banana]

Man... if the next Xbox and PS4 actually sell bad, I don't know if GAF server will be capable of handling all the screamings from lots, lots, and I do mean LOTS of its members.

 

[OrangeJulius]

Everyone is wrong pretty much 100% of the time.

GAF's tagline should be changed from "believe" to "just stop, your wrong and I'm right"

It would pretty much sum up gaming side. I kid...............mostly.

 

[Camp Lo]

I sincerely hope this guy get fired and never find a job in this industry. This is my opinion as well just like his. Amen.

Now why would you say that, man?

 

[Daingurse]

Man... if the next Xbox and PS4 actually sell bad, I don't know if GAF server will be capable of handling all the screamings from lots, lots, and I do mean LOTS of its members.

Define bad? I could easily see sales being slow out of the gate, but nothing even remotely approaching a Wii-U situation. Hell the next-gen consoles won't be met with a fraction of the apathy the Wii-U has received, you can bet on that.

Until the announcement of Sonic The Lost World, I gave nearly zero fucks about the Wii-U, only now am I interested. That pervasive feeling of apathy towards that console is like nothing I have ever experienced in my time as a gamer. I have always been salty about consoles I don't own, that is how it should be.

 

[prag16]

That's called advertising, which is a tiny part of marketing.

Generally, most people are wrong.

Productive post. Almost as productive as this one I'm making right now.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

And I hope you get banned for holding such a disgusting opinion. It's ridiculous to wish unemployment upon someone just because you disagree with his statement. Disgusting.
He didn't hurt anyone. He didn't harm you or anyone on this forum in any way shape or form. If EA wants to fire him for harming their brand, that is up to EA. For you to actually
wish this upon him is just pathetic.

Like you've never posted on meth.

 

[Wubby]

EA's really bitter Nintendo didn't use their Origin. EA can do whatever they wan't, I don't buy their games anyway.

 

[?oe?oe]

Productive post. Almost as productive as this one I'm making right now.

Yeah, learning sucks.

 

[prag16]

And I hope you get banned for holding such a disgusting opinion. It's ridiculous to wish unemployment upon someone just because you disagree with his statement. Disgusting.
He didn't hurt anyone. He didn't harm you or anyone on this forum in any way shape or form. If EA wants to fire him for harming their brand, that is up to EA. For you to actually
wish this upon him is just pathetic.

You've never held ill will towards a blatant asshole before?

Personally I'd stop short of wishing firing upon him. But let's not start calling for bans just because you find something someone says to be reprehensible. Everyone would be banned.

Yeah, learning sucks.

Oh noes he said marketing rather than advertising. We all know what he meant. Pointing it out didn't add to the discussion nor did it make you look smarter. You must have a job in marketing.

 

[Laughing Banana]

Define bad? I could easily see sales being slow out of the gate, but nothing even remotely approaching a Wii-U situation. Hell the next-gen consoles won't be met with a fraction of the apathy the Wii-U has received, you can bet on that.

Until the announcement of Sonic The Lost World, I gave nearly zero fucks about the Wii-U, only now am I interested. That pervasive feeling of apathy towards that console is like nothing I have ever experienced in my time as a gamer. I have always been salty about consoles I don't own, that is how it should be.

-Shrugs-

You never know. Nobody could have predicted that Sony would lost so many with PS3 coming from the behemoth that is PS2, yet that happened. Stranger things have happened. Many times people seemed so sure that things would have gone north only for them to fly south.

Guess we'll see.

 

[Servizio]

You know, I've been really nostalgic for old NPD threads and GameCube era DrinkyCrow threads lately. I wonder why.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

You've never held ill will towards a blatant asshole before?

Personally I'd stop short of wishing firing upon him. But let's not start calling for bans just because you find something someone says to be reprehensible. Everyone would be banned.

Not for someone who simply voiced an opinion about video games. Never. Nor will I ever. If you are so emotionally involved in games that you wish someone harm just for stating an opinion on games? Thats pathetic.

 

[10k]

I'm almost embarrassed to be a Nintendo fan listening to some of these fan boy's comments.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

I'm almost embarrassed to be a Nintendo fan listening to some of these fan boy's comments.

No need.

People will people.

 

[?oe?oe]

Oh noes he said marketing rather than advertising. We all know what he meant. Pointing it out didn't add to the discussion nor did it make you look smarter. You must have a job in marketing.

No one on Gaf says advertising, so yeah, I am smart. Yes, I'm in marketing

 

[Daingurse]

-Shrugs-

You never know. Nobody could have predicted that Sony would lost so many with PS3 coming from the behemoth that is PS2, yet that happened. Stranger things have happened. Many times people seemed so sure that things would have gone north only for them to fly south.

Guess we'll see.

But there are reasons that happened, "$599.99 US Dollars!" and "PS3 has no games!", and yet it still was outselling the Wii-U. Unless Sony shoots themselves in the foot-- again-- I'm not concerned. I think Microsoft has done a fantastic job as well, building relationships with 3rd parties and establishing themselves as a brand in the US.

Sorry just don't see it happening, but we will see.

 

[prag16]

No one on Gaf says advertising, so yeah, I am smart. Yes, I'm in marketing

I hear Nintendo could use some help in that area. Specifically branding, pricing advertising, and produce. Bananas are no longer hip.

 

[mantidor]

And I hope you get banned for holding such a disgusting opinion. It's ridiculous to wish unemployment upon someone just because you disagree with his statement. Disgusting.
He didn't hurt anyone. He didn't harm you or anyone on this forum in any way shape or form. If EA wants to fire him for harming their brand, that is up to EA. For you to actually
wish this upon him is just pathetic.

hmm... haven't you wish Iwata to get fired? honest question, since is the fashionable thing to do in GAF these days and I don't think I could keep track on it.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

hmm... haven't you wish Iwata to get fired? honest question, since is the fashionable thing to do in GAF these days and I don't think I could keep track on it.

I think Nintendo would be better off as a company since Iwata is hurting the business and brand. Do I want him fired for something he said? Hell no. If someone wants to argue this guy should be fired because he may have harmed EA's business? Thats totally fair. But for saying something that you disagree with? Gtfo.

 

[10k]

No need.

People will people.

I've missed you <3 xoxo

 

[Open Source]

Extremely unprofessional.

I don't care how much of that is actually true, that's completely disrespectful.

Kind of like selling 2005 hardware for full price in 2013 is disrespectful.

 

[Yagharek]

EA have cultivated a reputation for untrustworthiness as far as Nintendo fans are concerned. Test games on Wii, Fifa 13 on Wii was the exact same game as Fifa 12, and year old ports at full price on Wii U launch.

They have only ever thrown scraps in the past six years, so it's no surprise people have become accustomed to avoiding EA games on Nintendo platforms.

 

[Bluekaveli]

I sincerely hope this guy get fired and never find a job in this industry. This is my opinion as well just like his. Amen.

Why so mad?

 

[polyh3dron]

Kind of like selling 2005 hardware for full price in 2013 is disrespectful.

bahahahahahaha

 

[boiled goose]

Well, we all know he lied.

Spoiler

Zelda doesn't sell that much compared to other franchises

 

[K' Dash]

Kind of like selling 2005 hardware for full price in 2013 is disrespectful.

I can think of some situations where Microsoft and Sony did worst than that, truth be told, they all spit on your face and you still buy their systems/games.

Even if I don't own a home console anymore, I was part the problem.

 

[TheDrowningMan]

Kind of like selling 2005 hardware for full price in 2013 is disrespectful.

Who did that?

 

[Veronica]

Sorry, but I love real talk. Unfortunate when people get scolded for hurting people's feelings with the truth.

 

[TheDrowningMan]

Sorry, but I love real talk. Unfortunate when people get scolded for hurting people's feelings with the truth.

To clarify, you like it when people say what you want to hear, even when that contains intentional untruths.