HollovVpo1nt
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The hype and expectations are of Olympian proportions (didn't want to use the word epic). I can't even imagine the armageddon when MS would announce the nextbox with the same 2 year old vgleakz hardware.
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Didnt he end up saying, that the PS4 was the better console in the end.
or just that his devkit wasnt what ms choosed to go with
Yeah, it's definitely possible. But to be safe, I'm going in to the May 21st event with the 1.2 rumor in mind. Surprise me, MS. Please.
I think SuperDAE knows alot more than he is putting down. His recent tweets are so bizzare considering what happened.
Ninja Moomin
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#peopletalkingaboutspecswhentheydontknowshitaboutthem.
Seriously... do we really need to go through this again.
Wait until you see what this thing puts on screen.
For all the talk of raw TF, I've never seen a game with a spectacle of god of war ascension - and that's on 2005 / 2006 era graphics and CPU.
Seriously... do we really need to go through this again.
Wait until you see what this thing puts on screen.
For all the talk of raw TF, I've never seen a game with a spectacle of god of war ascension - and that's on 2005 / 2006 era graphics and CPU.
No console company releases a dev kit as a console
they are just PC's with custom software.
HollovVpo1nt
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What does SuperDaE know really? All his knowledge and tweets are based on that dev unit he had. If Microsoft really bumped the specs, how would DaE know? He didn't have the dev unit with the new upgraded specs.
specialguy
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it actually wouldn't bother me too much. i've always said i feel ms can win with weaker hardware but sony needs to be more powerful to have a chance.
the cpu and ram will be the same on both more or less, you'll be dealing only with a gpu difference, and i'd like to see what the esram can do.
i wasn't happy when we initially found durango might be less powerful but i dealt with it pretty fast. doesn't bother me now.
this isn't the wii u, it's a good machine loaded with tech.
can i ask a thing?
you think would be possible that vgleaks diagram r right
that u r right about that leaks
that everything said about that documents that we get throug superdae ..is right
but that was just one of the design ms got ?
something fishy
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if they focus on hardware and it is a powerhouse then they tear down all the negatives in one fell swoop.
Would be a smart move.
Would make the likes of DF who've been talking about those old leaks as fact look rather silly.
Would be a smart move.
Would make the likes of DF who've been talking about those old leaks as fact look rather silly.
so my theory is more than plausible
Chittagong
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It could be a game changer. I have been Xbox this generation but based on the strong PS4 show and supposedly low specs for Durango I had planned to go all in PS4. If Durango is considerably stronger than PS4 I would have to re-evaluate that position, especially if they both launch at the same time.
Both vgleaks and others have said that the information they had stayed the same, and have said the latest they have is from around Feb/March this year. You cannot change a APU that quicky.
But yes of course microsoft had multiple prototypes, there was Yukon and Durango, Yukon lost some time prior to last year and they fleshed out Durango and showed it off to devs.
SirIgbyCeaser
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SuperDea hacked into the ms developer site and wrote himself in to get the unit shipped to him. He downloaded the spec sheets and I'd think his dev kit connected to the web would update itself with new info and firmwares.
He could be informed of some stuff. He could even have the latest dev knowledge if he can still bypass the dev site. But it's unlikely MS hasn't caught wind of it.
specialguy
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he never talks about spec wise though.
i think he changed to ps4 lately as a reaction because now he hates ms cause they got a warrant for him. but none of that really deals with specs.
in his heart i bet he's still xbox fanboy.
even when he said xbox was better, he would never answer the question if it was more powerful than ps4.
Phonomezer
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It's that time of day again..
But why would anyone listen to you? You are not a professional game programmer and you have been proven wrong in other threads for various topics. I especially remember your talking of the advantages of PS4 because of a "thinner" api which you later had to say that you just did a wild guess.
Also you evaded my repeated question to vitas sound-chip when you were downplaying the rumored audio-chip in Durango.
And then it comes to possibly changed Durango-specs and you keep parotting "can't change".
What for, kidbeta? This is not sane level, this is arguing with a certain goal in mind.
Maximilian Kolbe
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u must admit that we r close to no getting any leak ..this time...not like sony...
so i dont think that this is pointing at "nothing is changed from superdae leak"
what infromation they know that the ldesign of superdae leak was the one going in production!? i never read this can u link?
or u was saying they know about the existence of this design and is legit?
SirIgbyCeaser
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No junior. You're absolutely wrong. Dev kits are consoles. Modified for a development environment. They're not PC's they're consoles with unique hardware that connects to PC's.
HollovVpo1nt
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1. 8GB GDDR5 =/= 8GB DDR3
2. Sony doesn't need to have the better hardware. Their software support is more important than that. The 360 is also pretty powerful hardware but what games really showed that? The PS3 and 360 are about the same graphics output wise, but the PS3 has the better looking games. Imagine if PS4 is more powerful than Nextbox, that gap will be even bigger.
Some nicer formating would make your post easier to read but I will let it slide. Yeah the API thing i was wrong about, but I bet your wrong about stuff all the time. I dunno shit about the Vita chip nearly no one does and SHAPE looks nice.
But those two facts dont change that you cannot just whip up a new APU overnight thinking you can do that is just plain insanity.
No one who talks in these threads are proffesional game developers.
If they're confident, they'll reveal them at the event or in some sort of post event interview (or in some pdf press release). We are at a stage now where any sort of substantial "reaction" from Sony will put the console to 2014, may as well get it out of the way. Sony have shown their hand and it's obvious they created a machine "to be easy to develop for" rather than going balls out most powerful. Whatever design philosophy MS espouses for Xbox, I don't think has shifted in the last 12 months.
Miles Quaritch
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something fishy
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But years of comparisons showed it didn't.
in the end I think even the best first party stuff was pretty even.
They aren't consoles until either the final dev kits or near final. Before that they are just PC's with custom software.
I believe whatever MS has planned will set precedent.
HollovVpo1nt
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I know how he got the dev unit. Doesn't mean that he got insight to information other developers would restricted to. DaE can't know more than other developers and the interview with him couple months back made it painfully clear he was lobbying for a job at MS.
If you use your common sense, you'll know that DaE can't know more. But if you go all Jim Carrey 'so you're telling me there's a chance' on this topic, then suit yourselves.
eso76
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Guys, if you keep doing this disappointment will be strong when ms announces a console with the exact same specs we've known for a while.
Don't do this to yourself, leaked specs are good enough for a lot of eye candy.
On the other hand, I believe ms has something huge to show in terms of os, services and whatnot.
Comments are hinting at unprecedented stuff the world never saw coming
Don't do this to yourself, leaked specs are good enough for a lot of eye candy.
On the other hand, I believe ms has something huge to show in terms of os, services and whatnot.
Comments are hinting at unprecedented stuff the world never saw coming
Based on what. And dont say a pastebin rumour that would be stupid.
u r rite in teh spexxx, omg teh rules r 4 teh win1!!11!
Your posts are annoying to read. Please make an effort.
But why are you repeating it all the time? I also say it's most probable that they didn't change the hardware but this does not mean they definitely did not. What they changed (if) we don't know so let's just wait 3 more days. Let people discuss what they want because they will be proven wrong soon enough.
Don't be so quick to assume. Forget about pastebin and look at the bigger picture.
Wow, a person who missed a lot of multiplats from a whole gen. Thumbs up.
You wouldn't have multiple designs make it to the stage where your sending out devkits to the developers.
Show me the bigger picture, cause you obviously no something no one else does.
yes totally they are...but saying that what vgleaks have is what ms will give us 100% is like trusting in pig that can fly
HollovVpo1nt
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Which makes my point even clearer. Xbox 360 is supposedly slightly more capable than PS3, judging by comparisons and articles over the past years, but still PS3 managed to get equal or better looking games. Now that was when the PS3 hardware was equal to or inferior than 360. If PS4 will be more powerful than NextBox, then that gap will be greater. To put it in somewhat symbolic form:
If PS3 <= Xbox 360 results into PS3 graphics >= 360 graphics
Then PS4>NextBox results into PS4 >>Nextbox graphics.
vgleaks kotaku edge superdae.....talked about developers?!?!?! who todl u this leak coming from a dev?!?
this leak IMO came from superdae and from supermtw (friend of superdae) i think
imagining or what?
Now that's the kind of hype I like to see!
Really people should stop this 'MS will react' or 'Sony will react' bullshit. The consoles are locked down. There is not going to be any major change at all from what is announced. Maybe we'll get over or under clocking of the CPU or GPU due to the heating but that's about it and even there underclocking is the likelier outcome.
The 'last minute' changes that people like to bring up are usually decided 1-2 year before the console ships. This isn't just a case of putting a higher card in there just because, the whole motherboard will, in 99% of cases, have to be redesigned a little bit and that costs time and money. This is especially so when they are going for an APU this time around. Even the 'last minute' change of including the NVidia GPU in the PS3 instead of cell was decided around 2 years before the console shipped. That's considered last minute in this industry.
HollovVpo1nt
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Difference in architecture. Games designed for PS3 architecture (PS3 exclusves) look better than Xbox 360 games.
Where else would you get the Durango conference presenetation I mean seriously?.
Don't have to. We'll all know in 3 days.
No more insider bullshit. Hidden agendas. Or Tales From the Ass.
HollovVpo1nt
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The bigger picture is that since the vgleakz leaked specs, there hasn't been a single rumour or leak about a spec bump of the same caliber as the vgleakz document. The bigger picture is that people will assume anything.
how superdae had it?! i mean seriously?
im not against your theory....but u need to stop acting like is the only possible one ..coz it isnt
But your not looking at the `bigger picture` *waves hands*
Sure I guess, but they have already confirmed multiple sources have corroborated the evidence.
What the hell are you talking about? First you hint at the 'big picture' and then it turns out it's nothing?
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