Sickboy007
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Cersei and Stannis should marry. I would love that sitcom.
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robotzombie
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Yes, both bad things and good things just happen TO her, that's kind of the problem. She isn't actually all that active in her own storyline, things just happen around her. And the only decisions she makes are "i have dragons so I can do what I want". She's like Kim jong un if he actually had nukes
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I'm perplexed about Barristan Selmy (Danny's 2nd counselor):
Wasn't he supposed to be a feared Knight / sword fighter? In that picture, he looks more like a Wizard!
They kind of chopped out an entire books worth of stuff for Barristan.
The central characteristic of her character arc is that she's now the one making the calls. The whole Unsullied thing in Astapor was her doing and hers alone. So's Yunkai so far. I don't see the point you're making.
I find her character boring as shit too.
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Tywin = badass mofo
Dany = lucky bitch
That's the impression I get from most around here.
robotzombie
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My point is the only call she makes is "dragons, go", and the dragons that she was handed for free go get her more free shit. She didn't need to do anything other than simply have dragons to get the unsullied. I'm not saying she's a terrible human being, just that her storyline is simply "easy" for lack of a better word.
Oh, and when she finally has some opposition, their heads get cut off in the span of one episode because a guy has a crush on her and gives her even more free shit
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Dany is the most polarising character on the show. An entire spectrum of opinions from loathe to love encompasses my friendship circle and opinions I've read here and elsewhere.
She kinda sits somewhere in the middle for me. Everything about her story arc, from the narrative to Emilia Clarke's acting, is all over the place. Sometimes I really, really enjoy it. Other times I want it over and done with. The most recent episode is an example of me enjoying her story arc, and she's been a lot more fun this season. Season two, on the other hand, was not much more than filler for me. Boring filler, poorly constructed, and almost entirely forgettable.
I think ultimately what works against her and her story is that she's so disconnected from Westeros. It doesn't really matter whether we're learning about Tywin's plans, Tyrion's mischief, Sansa's misery, or Tyrell scheming at King's Landing. Rob's warmongering, Bran's mystic journey, and John Snow's exploration of the North. It's all intertwined. Something happening to one character has a ripple effect on the plot threads of other characters. That's the most enduring quality of the show/story - the great big web of schemes, alliances, betrayals, and interactions. Even if nothing happens from one event for an entire series, you know one day it will amount to something more.
For more or less everybody watching, Dany's arc is literally not much more than "I want to invade and conquer Westeros with my dragons and army". We're seeing the story of how she gets this army, but it's still totally disconnected. It doesn't matter what goes on with the Unsullied. Or the Second Sons. Or which cities she captures. Or who her dragons roast. Or if someone wants to fuck her. None of these intertwine with any other story, as it's always centred on her.
It doesn't really bother me, mind you, because I can see the significance of her story arc and why GRRM has written it. I figure her invading Westeros is a guaranty, either having happened in the books or will happen, because if it never did in TV land that would make for atrocious story telling. But the disconnect does make her plight arguably less relevant and interesting than everyone else on Westeros.
She kinda sits somewhere in the middle for me. Everything about her story arc, from the narrative to Emilia Clarke's acting, is all over the place. Sometimes I really, really enjoy it. Other times I want it over and done with. The most recent episode is an example of me enjoying her story arc, and she's been a lot more fun this season. Season two, on the other hand, was not much more than filler for me. Boring filler, poorly constructed, and almost entirely forgettable.
I think ultimately what works against her and her story is that she's so disconnected from Westeros. It doesn't really matter whether we're learning about Tywin's plans, Tyrion's mischief, Sansa's misery, or Tyrell scheming at King's Landing. Rob's warmongering, Bran's mystic journey, and John Snow's exploration of the North. It's all intertwined. Something happening to one character has a ripple effect on the plot threads of other characters. That's the most enduring quality of the show/story - the great big web of schemes, alliances, betrayals, and interactions. Even if nothing happens from one event for an entire series, you know one day it will amount to something more.
For more or less everybody watching, Dany's arc is literally not much more than "I want to invade and conquer Westeros with my dragons and army". We're seeing the story of how she gets this army, but it's still totally disconnected. It doesn't matter what goes on with the Unsullied. Or the Second Sons. Or which cities she captures. Or who her dragons roast. Or if someone wants to fuck her. None of these intertwine with any other story, as it's always centred on her.
It doesn't really bother me, mind you, because I can see the significance of her story arc and why GRRM has written it. I figure her invading Westeros is a guaranty, either having happened in the books or will happen, because if it never did in TV land that would make for atrocious story telling. But the disconnect does make her plight arguably less relevant and interesting than everyone else on Westeros.
These are based on the book, not the show. In the books Theon is a traditionally handsome "lady-killer" and Jorah is gruff, hairy, and unassuming as depicted
Tywin's only call is "money, go." Tyrells' only call is "money, go." Littlefinger's only call is "backstabbing, go." Everyone uses what they have. Should she go "fuck my dragons I'm only gonna use jujitsu?"
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Well, while Tywin was always rich, he had to work for the respect he commands. LF worked for pretty much everything he has since he started as an extremely minor lord. Dany was handed her dragons on a silver platter (or satin filled chest). She has had it a bit easy.
robotzombie
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Well I don't agree with you on the first point, specifically for Tywin. Also, you pointing out three random characters that you felt you had the ability to reduce doesn't really mean anything towards my interest or lack thereof of Dany. As for people using what they have, well, what other people have makes for a more interesting storyline to me, which is my whole point to begin with, simply that I personally don't find danys story super interesting due to my explanation of how I see her story develop. I'm not sure what you want from me other than trying to force me to think something is interesting...
Well, she did hatch the dragons herself, by walking into the fire.
peanutbutterlatte
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Wow, fuck Joffrey. Pure sadism with how he won't leave Sansa be.
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I think you're missing the point a bit, they were being like that to intimidate Dany as well. They already knew she had 8,000 soldiers vs their 2,000 so they were trying to rattle her or provoke a reaction. I mean, yes, it was also to show the viewers what kind of men these were, but I think there was more to their conduct than that.
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By easy you mean being practically sold as a sex slave by her brother. And then after adapting and overcoming, trusting the wrong person which led to the deaths of her unborn son and husband. Which led to her being abandoned in the desert with a handful of people at her side. And getting backstabbed in Qarth and losing even more people including the person closest to her. And having the warlocks after her head. While being at the opposite side of the world as the one she wants to be. By comparison everyone else, Ned and Jamie excluded, is merely on extended hiking vacations.
I exaggerate for effect, I must confess, but "had it easy?"
Oh she had a hard life, sure. But all she did to gain the dragons - and therefore her power - was walk into the fire pyre and since then she's been rolling on from that event.
All she had to do was walk into the fire... easy peasy.
And season 2 sucked for her, from the beginning where her and her dragons were nearly dying, up right until the end when they were stolen and she was put in chains.
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Remember when she had to lead her people through a vast desert wasteland, possibly to their deaths? Or when she had to walk into a tower with potentially dangerous warlocks? She's so confident precisely because she has overcome so many challenges. I don't think I even need to mention the fact that (before she obtained her dragons) she was repeatedly raped by Khal Drogo and had to adapt to living in an entirely new culture.
JCreasy
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A few things . . .
Stannis needs to watch his back with Melissandra. The discussion around how to slaughter a lamb got me thinking . . . if HE (Stannis) was another lamb for Melissandra, would he know it? She basically tells him he'll never see the knife coming!
Also, now that Robb is basically cursed, I wonder if Jon Snow will rise up one day to lead the Starks. That would be rad!
I wonder if Dany standing up like that in front of her would-be assassin was a power move, or at least a way to wrap him around her finger tighter.
Stannis needs to watch his back with Melissandra. The discussion around how to slaughter a lamb got me thinking . . . if HE (Stannis) was another lamb for Melissandra, would he know it? She basically tells him he'll never see the knife coming!
Also, now that Robb is basically cursed, I wonder if Jon Snow will rise up one day to lead the Starks. That would be rad!
I wonder if Dany standing up like that in front of her would-be assassin was a power move, or at least a way to wrap him around her finger tighter.
Like I said, she's had a hard life. But once she got her dragons (which were gifted to her) all the work she's had to do practically amounts to showing off Drogon and saying "I got dragons, bitches".
On the other hand Littlefinger has been working his entire life to heighten his status and Tywin has spent most of his life building up the Lannister reputation that his father tarnished (Tywin info from the extra features).
Duane Cunningham
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Dany freeing the slaves in Astapor was definitely more strategic than "Dragons, go". Setting up the deal and then double crossing the guy IS one of the older tricks in the book, but still, it was a pretty smart move. I mean, dragons or not, I don't think Hodor would've pulled it off. Or Joffrey or Viserys.
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PArt of me wonders how the 'wooden cock' line would have sounded given by Granny Tyrell
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Loved this quote.
#team_R'hllor is gaining on #team_dany
Holy shit, Tywin was raging.
Oh, and Joffrey is a rapist little douche.
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Aye, but the only reason she was able to even entertain the idea of getting their entire stock of Unsullied was because they wanted a dragon. No dragons and she'd be stuck or dead at the first slaver city.
But I think I'm done playing a devil's advocate for this position. I don't mind Danys story so far at all.
Lactose_Intolerant
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He kills the Titan's Bastard with his walking stick in the books. Dude doesn't fuck around.
I don't think this is against the rules since the guy is dead in the show plus Selmy doesn't have his big stick anymore
JCreasy
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Makes me think . . . Melissandra was irritated with Thoros because his "mission" was to convert King Robert to the Lord of Light. She has converted Stannis, obviously.
I'm wondering - is the Lord of Light another player in the Game of Thrones? What if he's just some powerful wizard, making a play for the iron throne?
remember Vary's story about the demon voice from the fire?
JCreasy
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OH damn!
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That's true, she did inherit some great capital, but she used her savvy to leverage it into greater-- OH SHIT SHE'S MITT ROMNEY WHAT AM I DOING
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Recap time!
Anyway, this was a damn fine episode and much more action packed than I thought. Also, the Tyrion-Sansa wedding went much better than I expected and there's a chance Sansa is now safer. Just not too much.
- The Hound continues to shine, even if he only has like two lines per episode. I find interesting that his character, as useless as he's being this season, is having so much development with so little time.
- Fuck Joffrey, fuck the queen. Right on. I guess he just wants to grab his money and get the fuck outta Dodge, but he's a fighter after all. I hope he sticks around.
- Hey look, actual encampments! Logistics, bitches!
- I think it's a bit odd that Dani didn't bring her dragons to the negotiation table. I guess CGI is expensive after all.
- So apparently the Second Sons have a reputation of running away from difficult battles? They don't seem as worthy as they boast...
- Daario looks like a young Fabio. It works so well on so many levels.
- Stannis totally redeemed himself during that conversation with Davos in the dungeons. Haters to the left. He truly is the one true king of Westeros (even if he's also a bit of a dick).
- Davos is as dramatic and awesome as always. My gods, the casting in this show has been so amazing so far.
- God DAMN @ the broad on the mercenary commander's lap. Wow. She reminds me of a more bodacious Doreah.
- Sophie Turner is turning into a real head turner. Now I understand PedoBronn's comments. Kinda. Sorta. Don't call the police, she's 17 and English!
- Talking about beauty, whoever is in charge of the wardrobe is doing a killer job. The embroidery and all the little details are incredible, specially for a TV show. It puts most actual movies to shame.
- Cersei put the fear of the seven gods into Margaery. Damn. She looked genuinely disturbed/pissed at the end of Cersei's little history lesson. I'm not going to say that the Tyrells are getting the short end of the stick, but Tywin's scheming took them down a couple of notches really fast.
- One thing I liked about the wedding ceremony was that they didn't waste a lot of time with religious mumbo jumbo. Most shows fail so hard at portraying imaginary religions and cultural mores. They either make them tedious, corny or way too close to real world creeds. This episode kept it tight and earned some points just for that.
- One thing I disliked about the wedding ceremony was Joffrey. That dick.
- Melisandre with bedroom eyes looks outright disarming. Oddly enough, it's not the D what she was looking for.
- I guess it was about time the ladies got their allowance of naked Gendry.
- Oh, Gendry, my sweet innocent lamb. If a crazy redhead tries to tie you to the bed, you RUN THE FUCK AWAY. Trust me dear, it's not worth it.
- On the plus side, he got to live for another day. Yay?
- Did Melisandre put a curse on Balon, Rob and Joff? My guess is that whatever she did, it is not going to be as powerful as her rotten queefs.
- Granny Tyrell drawing the new family tree. My God.
- Cersei has transcended bitch status and reached QBOTU. Lora's scalping was some cruel shit. Heavens know I'd gladly slip into Lena's bed, but I can't imagine a more unfortunate union. At least Tyrion is caring.
- Talking about Tyrion... holy shit, there was some fucking FIRE in his eyes when he stopped Joff's bullying.
- That said... what the hell had Joffrey in mind? I'm not sure if she wanted to make the wedding night a semi-public event or if he demanded droit du seigneur (ugh, just UGH).
- I guess it was about time Dani had another nude scene. Which incidentally felt like 101% unserviceable. I'm kind of surprised, I thought she wouldn't accept any more nude scenes now that she's a star and doesn't have to slum it out in SyFy-made movies.
- On that account:
- Daario is totally going to clash with Jorah Fedora. My neckbeard itches in anticipation.
- Shae is kind of the most worthless characters in this show barring Rickon, but I still enjoyed that look of relief in her face as she noticed that Sansa and Tyrion's sheets were not bloodied.
- Re: Dragonglass. It makes sense that it can easily kill White Walkers given that it's basically solidified magma (ice and fire anyone?), but it surprises me it's so goddamned effective. That shit is some Counter-Strike AWP shit. And it's not like obsidian is a rare rock or anything. Devs need to nerf it down ASAP.
- SAM YOU CLUMSY MOTHERFUCKER, PICK THAT KNIFE FROM THE GROUND BEFORE RUNNING AWAY
Anyway, this was a damn fine episode and much more action packed than I thought. Also, the Tyrion-Sansa wedding went much better than I expected and there's a chance Sansa is now safer. Just not too much.
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